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Also pretty sure Raiden said he did hate the Republic. He fought for them because A, he does not want the innocents and other 86 to die. B, he does not want to die himself. Also this last episode Raiden did not even say he hated the Republic. He said it was not Giad that took everything from them, it was the Republic. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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serious gaylord posted:2nd season really just feels like a fairly poor start to a non UC Gundam series, right down to the 5 pilots and the exiled princess. To be fair, I'm hard pressed to think of a decent Gundam pilot MC besides Tomino's protagonists, Bernie, and Shinn. Kou, Kira, and Banaghe were pathetic weaklings. Heero, Setsuna, and Mika were boring robotic badasses. I can't really think of a single good princess character in Gundam either: Relena, Lacus, Mineva were traitorous hypocrites preaching about "peace" who threw their people under the bus and should have been shot. The 00 princess and Kudelia were inoffensive and served their purposes as VIPs for the heroes to escort, but after their arcs were over they became deadweight and should have been dropped rather than continuing to soak up screentime. Moofia Boss Val fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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Oct 13, 2021 23:33
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Justin_Brett posted:Garrod. Domon is a socially ill-adjusted karate jerk who has to learn to just use words to tell people things. It's great. (Also, Mika is way, way better than Shinn. I have charts.)
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chiasaur11 posted:Mika is way, way better than Shinn. I have charts. Charts?
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Diana was a great princess.
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mika was a fun robotic badass heero was a funny robotic badass good call on setsuna though
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if season 2 can successfully re-establish stakes and tension i think it'll be a good season it's gonna have to work for it though
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I think it’s a touch silly to have not-Anastasia accompanying the career soldiers to OCS but whatever it’s still an anime. I’m curious if we’ll get some more glimpses of a past Reign of Terror and Virtue similar to the shot of the bombed out embassy that further explains how the Imperial heir is living as a ward/hostage of the state.
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Not Keyser Soze posted:I think it’s a touch silly to have not-Anastasia accompanying the career soldiers to OCS but whatever it’s still an anime. I’m curious if we’ll get some more glimpses of a past Reign of Terror and Virtue similar to the shot of the bombed out embassy that further explains how the Imperial heir is living as a ward/hostage of the state. If they use a similar pilot-operator system to San Magnolia (minus the telepathy), then it's surely not that big a deal. She can stay at the forward HQ well back from the front lines.
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Not Keyser Soze posted:I think it’s a touch silly to have not-Anastasia accompanying the career soldiers to OCS but whatever it’s still an anime. I’m curious if we’ll get some more glimpses of a past Reign of Terror and Virtue similar to the shot of the bombed out embassy that further explains how the Imperial heir is living as a ward/hostage of the state. They do explain why she accompanied them in the LN. I don't know if the anime will cover it though.
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Nitrousoxide posted:They do explain why she accompanied them in the LN. I don't know if the anime will cover it though. It was pretty messed up, old empire was an awful place.
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All spoilers are on this episode. If people were worried that cour 2 would not have the same brutality as the first, you'll be happy with this episode We learn why Frederica's a "Mascot", as well as see that the Giad Federation has adopted some of the tech obtained by the 86's equipment.. Also Fido is resurrected and the 86 Shin had been carrying get a proper monument And finally, most importantly 
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Third episode too, firing on all cylinders. Fido made me cry tears of happiness, but Eugene dying made me sad. But I suppose he raised those death flags really high. Regarding Giad's war situation: Seemed like there was a bunch of time skips this episode, I didn't keep good track of how much time has passed, how many months/years has it been since they arrived? But yeah at first when I saw that they alledgedly took back some ground that implied that Giad was at least giving the Legion about as good as they took it, but is the attrition taking its toll? Are they losing a lot of manpower for those limited gains? Or is the Legion now focusing more on them as a result of being pushed back a little? It seems like since Giad ostensibly cares a lot more about the lives of its soldiers as anyone is in the army that their mechs are slower and bulkier, giving them more protection but slows them down too much which is why they're coming out of battles badly? While the Legion don't have any fleshy organics that need protecting and can settle on a perfect balance of speed and protection? Do we know if they rebuilt the 86's mechs with Giad tech to be "stronger" like they said they did with Fido? Its a tad unclear to me if Giad is more or less advanced than San Magnolia. I wonder if its a Germany vs USSR/USA situation where San Magnolia maybe has more flashier tech/wunderwaffle while Giad has better QA and industrial designs overall?
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Raenir Salazar posted:Third episode too, firing on all cylinders. Episode talk Several months have passed since the 86 were rescued. You are correct that Giad has made gains, but with really awful attrition. Additional exposition on the technical aspects of the equipment from the LN, but nothing I'd expect that will be covered by the anime and doesn't spoil any plot. The Giad Feldreß Juggernaut (Giad calls their version the XM2 Reginleif) have mildly upgraded armor and motors, making them more mobile despite slightly higher weight due to the armor. They would be very lucky to shrug off a direct hit, but can bounce shrapnel unlike the republic version. It also has upgraded weapons, with the 88mm smoothbore gun being standard issue unlike the 57mm version on the Juggernaut. It likewise can have its equipment swapped out like the Juggernaut. It's still the equivalent of a light tank with all the compromises that requires Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Oct 16, 2021 |
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I believe the LN implies the various Spearhead 'reconnaissance' missions altogether provided them with the research material and they've been trying to reverse engineer it for a while, it's just most pilots don't take to them for obvious reasons.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Episode talk Would those modifications at least deflect small arms fire? Not that the Legion actually have small arms from what I remember seeing last season. For some reason I seem to remember that the Juggernaut's "armor" is basically aluminum sheet metal.
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kirtar posted:Would those modifications at least deflect small arms fire? Not that the Legion actually have small arms from what I remember seeing last season. For some reason I seem to remember that the Juggernaut's "armor" is basically aluminum sheet metal. Episode Talk It is enough to deflect anti-personal weapons. The Legion do use small arms (specifically 7.76mm guns) on their Ameise (the smallest model walker model) for attacking unarmored opponents like ground troops or civilians. You've not really seen many ground troops up until now, though you did see one in this episode (the infantryman who thanks Shin for putting Eugene down was an infantryman not a pilot) The Republic's Juggernauts would not have been able to repel 7.76 rounds.
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Maaaaaaaaan, new ep stuff; That hard cut from Eugene holding the locket to it being in his dismembered hand was a real mean gut punch, I expected him to last until next episode not go down right then and there. 
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Raenir Salazar posted:Do we know if they rebuilt the 86's mechs with Giad tech to be "stronger" like they said they did with Fido? Its a tad unclear to me if Giad is more or less advanced than San Magnolia. I wonder if its a Germany vs USSR/USA situation where San Magnolia maybe has more flashier tech/wunderwaffle while Giad has better QA and industrial designs overall?[/spoiler]
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Mordja posted:As I recall, the Giad officers in the first episode were marvelling at the technical design of the Juggs while being appalled at their complete lack of pilot safety features, so I'd guess the tech level of this world pretty much goes Giad Empire->San Magnolia->Giad Federacy. Their homegrown walkers are basically just tanks on legs. I read that less as them marveling at the technical design as much as what Shin et al. managed to do with them despite huge number of problems. The Federacy's doctrine appears very much to basically be all heavy tanks while the juggernauts would be more like a Jeep with a giant gun on it.
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Haha I thought he was going to have more screentime. He was introduced midway through the last episode... annnnnd now he's gone. Would be nice if a black two seater spider mech joined the Spearhead crew. Raenir Salazar posted:It seems like since Giad ostensibly cares a lot more about the lives of its soldiers as anyone is in the army that their mechs are slower and bulkier, giving them more protection but slows them down too much which is why they're coming out of battles badly? While the Legion don't have any fleshy organics that need protecting and can settle on a perfect balance of speed and protection? So far, I haven't seen any of the black armored 2 seater mechs actually survive a direct hit. Seems like this is an Aldnoah.Zero situation where armor is useless and you're really just better off ditching it for mobility.
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Moofia Boss Val posted:Haha I thought he was going to have more screentime. He was introduced midway through the last episode... annnnnd now he's gone. Even modern MBT's will destroy other comparable MBT's in a similar fashion, the armor is more for glancing or spent hits I imagine; it's more survivable against long range artillery I figure as well. It might also be the case that a lighter design could be a moral issue, if crews don't feel safe they aren't going to be as willing to follow orders and enter into danger. And also production lines could also be an issue, any tank is better than no tank and retooling production lines beyond iterative incremental improvements might disrupt production too much. I think the biggest issue with the lighter designs is I think they require a lot more skill to use effectively to do the stunts Shin and Co can pull and as long as they stay in cover and close the gap into close range combat the larger heavier mechs might actually work out fine for those tactics. Similar to how the USSR would push trench lines to be within 20 meters of German positions at Stalingrad to prevent the Germans from using bombers to bomb Soviet positions.
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Mordja posted:As I recall, the Giad officers in the first episode were marvelling at the technical design of the Juggs while being appalled at their complete lack of pilot safety features, so I'd guess the tech level of this world pretty much goes Giad Empire->San Magnolia->Giad Federacy. Their homegrown walkers are basically just tanks on legs. They were moreso marveling at how the 86 managed to reach them in those hunks of junk.
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thatbastardken posted:giad seems way ahead in HUD technology at the very least Additional details on that scene from the LN Eugene had been cut in half, with only part of his upper body intact. Shin was putting him out of his misery as he was 100% mortally wounded. Shin does get chewed out for putting Eugene down by his superiors for making medical decisions and terminating a soldier on the field rather than letting medics make the call. But only half heartedly, as everyone knew Eugene was not surviving that
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I believe that the Federacy Vánagandrs are supposed to be roughly equivalent to the Legion's Lowe heavy tanks (the big ones you usually see Shin carving through to show off how insanely badass he is). They're pretty good for keeping inexperienced pilots alive in intense combat, but their designers' regard for safety and reliability means that they're not capable of the same extreme performance as San Magnolian Juggernauts. The Reginleif, meanwhile, is a Juggernaut reimagined as a true ace machine with Giadian tech that pushes it from 'accidentally good' to 'deliberately excellent'... provided you have enough skill and experience with similar vehicles to not instantly kill your self as soon as you get in one. It's not designed to replace the Vánagandr, but to complement it with something that can draw out the full potential of your finest pilots.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Even modern MBT's will destroy other comparable MBT's in a similar fashion, the armor is more for glancing or spent hits I imagine; it's more survivable against long range artillery I figure as well. It might also be the case that a lighter design could be a moral issue, if crews don't feel safe they aren't going to be as willing to follow orders and enter into danger. And also production lines could also be an issue, any tank is better than no tank and retooling production lines beyond iterative incremental improvements might disrupt production too much. Apparently their front armor is much better then their side armor
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MonsterEnvy posted:Apparently their front armor is much better then their side armor Completely true for a lot of real-life tanks (even quite modern ones) as well.
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I teared up at the monument and Eugene, and I knew all this was coming.
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I was worried that the series wouldn't have the same bite to it, since S1 wrapped up so well and was satisfying enough on its own. Nice to see that's not the case, even if it makes me sad.
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CrashScreen posted:I was worried that the series wouldn't have the same bite to it, since S1 wrapped up so well and was satisfying enough on its own. Nice to see that's not the case, even if it makes me sad. I don't know about you but I'm still holding onto hope that they'll all form a mechanized idol group and turn the Legion into a Legion of Fans.
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Season 1: oh man conscription is so terrible. Thank God we don't do that and thus are far more moral Season 2: ok well hold on now
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I'm not sure if I get it, aren't the Giad soldiers volunteers? I don't get the sense they have a draft despite the terrible situation at the front.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'm not sure if I get it, aren't the Giad soldiers volunteers? I don't get the sense they have a draft despite the terrible situation at the front. Yeah, I get the same impression. The 86 seem to just be kind of broken which is why they are going back to the fighting.
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