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Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

its pretty simple. school districts generally try to get competent people to run them

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tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


the trooper cut the motorcycle off who then crashed into the trooper who was the cause of his death.

Jimmy Smuts
Aug 8, 2000

Kesper North posted:

That gently caress should never have been highest paid employee, gently caress



In Washington state they operate the SIGINT surveillance plane that carries a dirtbox for gathering mobile phone traffic, tail number N305DK.

After the Seattle PD got hit with a consent decree for abusing mass surveillance devices in 2012 they farmed the local work out to the State Patrol too.

They're focusing more on protestors than on child porn these days.

Another fun tactic they like to use: buy location data for a particular celphone from databrokers instead of getting a warrant.

There's also been an increase in police purchasing information or even services from criminal organizations such as SIM swapping when they want to evade having to request a warrant. Good times!
This poo poo is absurdly illegal in the DoD if/when done against americans, holy poo poo

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Jimmy Smuts posted:

This poo poo is absurdly illegal in the DoD if/when done against americans, holy poo poo

The US military basically can't do anything "against" americans after the end of reconstruction because the south won the long game.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Indictment official.

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1450568313956937737

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/fortenberry-false-statement-indictment/95fa753d0f8a4801/full.pdf

brains
May 12, 2004

Grip it and rip it posted:

Wait they're illegally obtaining evidence rather than get a warrant? I dont think the courts would like that much. Thats like the exact scenario that the exclusionary doctrine was constructed to manage

one of the things that's always amazed me about this poo poo is the absurdly low bar of probable cause required for obtaining a warrant, yet cops constantly do illegal poo poo to bypass the process.

Jimmy Smuts posted:

This poo poo is absurdly illegal in the DoD if/when done against americans, holy poo poo

congrats/condolences on realizing the continual erosion of the fourth and fourteenth amendments has created the modern carceral state

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

brains posted:

one of the things that's always amazed me about this poo poo is the absurdly low bar of probable cause required for obtaining a warrant, yet cops constantly do illegal poo poo to bypass the process.

a lot of it isn't even illegal, it's a good example of regulatory capture combined with regulation lagging technology: amazon and google just stick something in the EULA about selling data to third parties and the cops buy it from those third parties in stead of sending a subpoena - it's both cheaper and faster than The Process

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

Oh boy it seems we’re talking about illegal police surveillance. Well hey you might think, it’ll be tossed in court.

If you think that need to google “DEA NSA parallel construction.” Somehow, it’s totally okay if you “find” it a different way according to courts even if you found it illegally first. You don’t even have to worry about that illegal search even getting before a judge in practice, anyway! Since that’s all TS/SCI sigint stuff and not direct evidence they don’t even have to show a judge! Very cool and normal for a democratic society with civil rights.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

brains posted:

one of the things that's always amazed me about this poo poo is the absurdly low bar of probable cause required for obtaining a warrant, yet cops constantly do illegal poo poo to bypass the process.

congrats/condolences on realizing the continual erosion of the fourth and fourteenth amendments has created the modern carceral state

If we had a magic pill that could be given to prisoners that ensured they never thought of doing crime again and could be freed, there'd be nonstop hand wringing about the prison guard job losses and how those structures mean so much for employing generations of rural Americans.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

So a woman in Oklahoma was convicted of manslaughter for having a miscarriage at 17 weeks.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/woman-convicted-manslaughter-miscarriage-outrage/

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

The writing is some how more twisted than the biker's body, christ.


ASAPI posted:

So a woman in Oklahoma was convicted of manslaughter for having a miscarriage at 17 weeks.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/woman-convicted-manslaughter-miscarriage-outrage/

Some stuff from that article:

quote:

Pregnancy advocates and others on social media are expressing outrage after a 21-year-old Oklahoma woman was convicted of first-degree manslaughter earlier this month for having a miscarriage, which the prosecutor blamed on her alleged use of methamphetamine.

Brittney Poolaw, who is a member of the Comanche Nation, according to the Comanche County Detention Center, was sentenced on October 6 by a jury to four years in state prison. Poolaw's attorney filed a notice of intent to appeal on October 15.

Prosecutors argued that the miscarriage Poolaw suffered was from her use of methamphetamine. An autopsy of the fetus showed it had tested positive for methamphetamine, the Associated Press reported, but there was no evidence her use of the substance is what caused the miscarriage. The autopsy showed the miscarriage could have been caused by a congenital abnormality and placental abruption, when the placenta detaches from the womb, the AP said.

hosed up poo poo.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Grip it and rip it posted:

Wait they're illegally obtaining evidence rather than get a warrant? I dont think the courts would like that much. Thats like the exact scenario that the exclusionary doctrine was constructed to manage

This implies it ever gets to a court. Like 95% of cases never even get to trial. It's all plea deals.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

CainFortea posted:

This implies it ever gets to a court. Like 95% of cases never even get to trial. It's all plea deals.

You dont have to go to trial to litigate these kind of issues. Many times if you get bad evidence renoved the case will either be dismissed or a substantially better plea offer will be tendered.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Wasn't there a news article years ago that one of the first thing the nerds at the NSA data farm used the panopticon to do was spy on their ex girlfriends

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~
No, that would imply they had at some point had girlfriends :smug:

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Grip it and rip it posted:

You dont have to go to trial to litigate these kind of issues. Many times if you get bad evidence renoved the case will either be dismissed or a substantially better plea offer will be tendered.

Removed by who, the legal team 98% of Americans can't afford?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
efb holy gently caress I'm like 2 pages behind

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Fun Shoe

Kesper North posted:

a lot of it isn't even illegal, it's a good example of regulatory capture combined with regulation lagging technology: amazon and google just stick something in the EULA about selling data to third parties and the cops buy it from those third parties in stead of sending a subpoena - it's both cheaper and faster than The Process

SMEGMA_MAIL posted:

Oh boy it seems we’re talking about illegal police surveillance. Well hey you might think, it’ll be tossed in court.

If you think that need to google “DEA NSA parallel construction.” Somehow, it’s totally okay if you “find” it a different way according to courts even if you found it illegally first. You don’t even have to worry about that illegal search even getting before a judge in practice, anyway! Since that’s all TS/SCI sigint stuff and not direct evidence they don’t even have to show a judge! Very cool and normal for a democratic society with civil rights.


Yeah, this is some hosed up poo poo.

Investigators often use open source info for investigations - they'll pay websites for people's info, even if all they have is a name, or an address, a license plate, or phone number. It's legal for anyone to pay those kinds of websites to get that kind of info (except for the license plate stuff). That's normal every day poo poo that happens all the time.

They also have pre-written forms to apply for warrants to phone companies, Google, Apple, or any provider - all they have to do is change / add a few things in the document. That I don't have a problem with, as long as they get a warrant.

What I do have a problem with is them creating fake cell towers to ping someone's phone, doing Centra Spike / Grey Fox / ISA type poo poo in planes or cars like they're taking down Escobar or terrorists in Iraq. To me that's not a capability that police should have, unless there are very stringent controls and involves getting warrants, and even then, only in situations like kidnappings or violent offenses. And snapping up protester info shouldn't be allowed at all. Without restrictions, that's a slippery slope to further eroding our already eroded civil liberties.

State, local, and even federal law enforcement agencies shouldn't have the capabilities of the NSA or ISA.

Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Oct 20, 2021

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
https://twitter.com/DoctorMuuro/status/1450222562378764289?t=0eKlbE3xXAJt-k7rQAxosA&s=19

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
With regards to open source information, every three months or so, Google yourself. You're looking for people directory listings. Most of them have semi-easy or more convoluted processes to have yourself and your info removed from their database.

The sleaziest of them will hint that you MIGHT have poo poo like an arrest record or active warrants out against you, but that's always behind the paywall.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/19/1047294970/jan-6-panel-approves-criminal-contempt-report-for-ex-trump-strategist-steve-bann

House panel on Jan. 6 votes to hold Steve Bannon in contempt for defying subpoena.

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Kesper North posted:

a lot of it isn't even illegal, it's a good example of regulatory capture combined with regulation lagging technology: amazon and google just stick something in the EULA about selling data to third parties and the cops buy it from those third parties in stead of sending a subpoena - it's both cheaper and faster than The Process

oh yes and of course

there is an app for that

Kesper North
Nov 3, 2011

EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY
sorry for double posting but

quote:

Facebook is planning to change its company name next week to reflect its focus on building the metaverse, according to a source with direct knowledge of the matter.

The coming name change, which CEO Mark Zuckerberg plans to talk about at the company’s annual Connect conference on October 28th, but could unveil sooner, is meant to signal the tech giant’s ambition to be known for more than social media and all the ills that entail. The rebrand would likely position the blue Facebook app as one of many products under a parent company overseeing groups like Instagram, WhatsApp, Oculus, and more. A spokesperson for Facebook declined to comment for this story.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/19/22735612/facebook-change-company-name-metaverse

lol, lmao

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I think the online VR poo poo in loving snow crash is called The Metaverse isn’t it?

How much of Silicon Valley is a goddamn Neal Stephenson fever dream?

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
Google Earth was inspired by Snow Crash

So a lot.

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Cryptonomicon was the better book. I’ve never read either without abusing some substance of some sort, though.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Now what

E: According to the article it needs another round of votes in the full house so… lol

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
And snow crash was definitely the child of too much cocaine.

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Proud Christian Mom posted:

Removed by who, the legal team 98% of Americans can't afford?

Touche - I live in a state with a comparatively well functioning publcx defense bar, which doesn't exist in many states. Definitely true that these systems need more money / attorneys / support to function as intended.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Stephenson was better when he was writing wacky, sloppy and short books rather than long, sloppy and self-infatuated ones

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

boop the snoot posted:

Now what

E: According to the article it needs another round of votes in the full house so… lol

It's an open question - the full house vote will pass tomorrow or Friday, then hits the questions. Congress has let its inherent contempt powers whittle down to nothing, so it will likely get kicked to DOJ to figure out what to do (nothing, or haul him in, or an actual legal action in court). Here's what DOJ is saying:

https://twitter.com/JanNWolfe/status/1450640235319250948?t=TqR8s_jcJi1MSFWSA_MvJQ&s=19

Biden already got BUT DECORUM?!?!-slapped when he said that DOJ should enforce the upcoming Contempt citation, so it could very well amount to nothing.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Lol. Cnn talking poo poo about fox because neil cavuto got covid. Just the laugh I need to start my morning after needlessly learning that john king has MS.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Cryptonomicon was the better book. I’ve never read either without abusing some substance of some sort, though.

I gave up on Cryptonomicon about halfway through when I realized it wasn't getting any better or going anywhere interesting. I felt like he was trying to be a combination of William Gibson and Thomas Pynchon without understanding either of them.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Grip it and rip it posted:

Touche - I live in a state with a comparatively well functioning publcx defense bar, which doesn't exist in many states. Definitely true that these systems need more money / attorneys / support to function as intended.

It was interesting to learn about how as Washington DC courts are federal their public defender program is pretty good, especially by national standards.

Meanwhile let's check what's going on in Louisiana

quote:

Last fall, insurance attorney Ryan Goodwin​ found himself in a visiting area of the Caddo Correctional Center in Shreveport, La., ​bracing for an awkward conversation. He had to make an admission to his new client — a 16-year-old who was facing life in prison for stealing someone’s wallet and cellphone at gunpoint.

“I don’t do criminal defense,” he told the teenager, Norman Williams Jr. “But I promise you, I’ll definitely try my best.” Goodwin typically represents insurance companies in litigation following car accidents. His job involves finding out what injuries the victim claims to have and whether they were caused by the crash. He has no criminal law experience. But because the Caddo Parish public defender’s office was suffering from a historic, statewide lack of funding, it could no longer provide counsel to hundreds of its poor clients. To fill the void, judges were randomly assigning the neglected cases to all the lawyers in Shreveport, including those specializing in real estate, personal injury, taxes, and adoption. Anyone with a law license, a professional address in the parish, and a pulse was placed alphabetically on a list. They could be called on at any moment to take a criminal case, unpaid.

For Goodwin, this presented a moral dilemma. He knew he wasn’t fit to represent Williams, but a court of law was telling him that he was. “I took generic criminal law and criminal procedure in law school, but that’s just two classes separating me from any person,” he says. “I wouldn’t want me representing me.” Goodwin decided to write a letter to the judge, John Mosely Jr., who had assigned him the case. “I understand the current status of the indigent defense office as well as my civic duty,” he wrote. “But the possibility that a young man could spend a significant amount of time in prison poses a difficult burden on me considering my rudimentary knowledge of criminal procedure.” The judge kept him on the case.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/09/08/when-real-estate-and-tax-lawyers-are-forced-to-do-a-public-defender-s-job

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

aphid_licker posted:

Stephenson was better when he was writing wacky, sloppy and short books rather than long, sloppy and self-infatuated ones

Yup. And the endings suck either way.

Soylent Pudding
Jun 22, 2007

We've got people!


Hyrax Attack! posted:

It was interesting to learn about how as Washington DC courts are federal their public defender program is pretty good, especially by national standards.

Meanwhile let's check what's going on in Louisiana

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/09/08/when-real-estate-and-tax-lawyers-are-forced-to-do-a-public-defender-s-job

Iirc this used to be (and maybe still is?) standard procedure in the federal district of south Georgia.

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Endings never bother me, I'm more of an enjoy the atmosphere guy. I also never read more than the first book in a series.

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Cryptonomicon was the better book. I’ve never read either without abusing some substance of some sort, though.

You can see the weld lines in Snow Crash where the original short story had a novel grafted onto it. But at least it was entertaining, where Cryptonomicon, to put it mildly, wasn't.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

The BHR incident report leaked, lots of blame up and down the MX chain of command but little to no contemplation of manning issues as a contributing factor. Prescription: More dockside audits. Navy gonna navy.

https://news.usni.org/2021/10/19/long-chain-of-failures-left-sailors-unprepared-to-fight-uss-bonhomme-richard-investigation-finds

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Notahippie
Feb 4, 2003

Kids, it's not cool to have Shane MacGowan teeth

Stultus Maximus posted:

I gave up on Cryptonomicon about halfway through when I realized it wasn't getting any better or going anywhere interesting. I felt like he was trying to be a combination of William Gibson and Thomas Pynchon without understanding either of them.

I liked it when I first read it, when I was like 20 or something. But I went back and re-read it and kept having situations where I was agreeing more with the characters who were obviously supposed to be strawmen for the virtuous libertarian main character to knock down. I had to give a serious side-eye to the page-long reverie that the main character has about how awesome it is to start businesses and how he just loving loves doing business more than anything else in the world.

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