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Also it's funny that the show depicts advertising as just coming up with slogans for products like some sort of middle school language arts assignment instead of looking at numbers and demographics and figuring out how advertising to a specific percentage of the population might net them a slightly bigger market share in the long run. Or just adding boobs to the commercials. It was the early 2000s after all.
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It's funny that "works at an advertising firm" is somehow a common thing on tv and in movies.
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Oct 19, 2021 03:10
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:It's funny that "works at an advertising firm" is somehow a common thing on tv and in movies. It's the same as architect. It's shorthand for "creative, but successful."
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Oct 19, 2021 03:35
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Phylodox posted:It's the same as architect. It's shorthand for "creative, but successful." It’s also a job with some apparent similarities to movie and tv production in how pitches must be prepared and delivered, which is probably appealing to people who make movies and tv, both because it’s close to what they know and because a high-stakes presentation is convenient for a dramatic or comedic climax. I have no idea if advertising is actually built around presentations to potential clients, but tv likes the idea.
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I don't remember the brand of poison it is, but some months ago I started seeing this rat poison commercial on Hulu, where it shows a bunch of doll mice/rats in little family settings. Like, here's a family celebrating one kid graduating, here's a couple at a wedding, here's a family at a birthday party. And then the next shot of each, is each family dead from the poison, like little X's over their eyes included. IIRC, one even has the mom mouse crying while her family dies around her. For mouse poison, effective commercial. But it just seems so weird in terms of mood whiplash.
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Oct 19, 2021 03:43
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D-Con probably. I’m remembering some somewhat hosed up ads along those lines from them a few years ago.
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Oct 19, 2021 03:49
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Phylodox posted:It's the same as architect. It's shorthand for "creative, but successful." Advertising, architect, or vague do-nothing "works for a magazine".
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Oct 19, 2021 10:59
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Phylodox posted:It's the same as architect. It's shorthand for "creative, but successful." It also means they don't have to actually show any of their work. A writer could read out their stuff (and a musician would definitely have to perform) but a movie doesn't really have to justify not showing a fictional ad.
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Oct 19, 2021 11:22
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I don't foresee ever watching an episode of Ordinary Joe, but I think it's funny that the premise is "A person's life could branch off in infinite directions and we're going to illustrate that by going with the three most over represented jobs in TV: a cop, a doctor, and an entertainer"
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Oct 19, 2021 11:44
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Doctor Spaceman posted:It also means they don't have to actually show any of their work. A writer could read out their stuff (and a musician would definitely have to perform) but a movie doesn't really have to justify not showing a fictional ad. Jack and Jill proved that in fact, you could use a fictional ad in a movie to shill for a real world brand. It's just that the end result should be classified as cruel and unusual punishment.
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Oct 19, 2021 12:01
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it's not a poorly aged joke per se, but this talk about jobs and income reminded me how one thing that really bugged me about the frank grimes episode of the simpsons was how frank apparently made peanuts, despite working at a goddamned nuclear power plant. sure they make that great joke with him living between two bowling alleys, but as funny as it is, it makes no sense. grimes barely being able to afford an apartment in less than prime real estate made way less sense to me, even as a little kid, than homer being able to live in a 4 br house. again, both these people work in a goddamned nuclear power plant!
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Oct 20, 2021 09:49
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Mr Interweb posted:it's not a poorly aged joke per se, but this talk about jobs and income reminded me how one thing that really bugged me about the frank grimes episode of the simpsons was how frank apparently made peanuts, despite working at a goddamned nuclear power plant. sure they make that great joke with him living between two bowling alleys, but as funny as it is, it makes no sense. grimes barely being able to afford an apartment in less than prime real estate made way less sense to me, even as a little kid, than homer being able to live in a 4 br house. again, both these people work in a goddamned nuclear power plant! Yeah something about Grimes' life situation didn't quite add up (he's still a young white dude with a college degree in the 90s, right?) I do like the harsh irony that he's so angry at Homer for coasting by even though he only got a job because Burns saw him on a TV special and then that job was given to a dog who seemed to do just fine at it. Even after his death he presumably went unreplaced and the plant went on without him as if he hadn't ever been there (well that's just episodic tv, but still).
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Oct 20, 2021 10:00
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Mr Interweb posted:it's not a poorly aged joke per se, but this talk about jobs and income reminded me how one thing that really bugged me about the frank grimes episode of the simpsons was how frank apparently made peanuts, despite working at a goddamned nuclear power plant. sure they make that great joke with him living between two bowling alleys, but as funny as it is, it makes no sense. grimes barely being able to afford an apartment in less than prime real estate made way less sense to me, even as a little kid, than homer being able to live in a 4 br house. again, both these people work in a goddamned nuclear power plant! I saw a Tweet the day Musk and Grimes broke up that simply said "Or Grimey as she liked to be called" And I cracked up. That's all I have to share.
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Oct 20, 2021 11:28
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Mr Interweb posted:it's not a poorly aged joke per se, but this talk about jobs and income reminded me how one thing that really bugged me about the frank grimes episode of the simpsons was how frank apparently made peanuts, despite working at a goddamned nuclear power plant. sure they make that great joke with him living between two bowling alleys, but as funny as it is, it makes no sense. grimes barely being able to afford an apartment in less than prime real estate made way less sense to me, even as a little kid, than homer being able to live in a 4 br house. again, both these people work in a goddamned nuclear power plant! Wasn't he always in the hospital for various unlucky injuries? Medical bills.
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Oct 20, 2021 13:33
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He also had a second night job at a foundry
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Oct 20, 2021 13:41
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And child support payments.
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Zil posted:And child support payments. Wait, what?
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Josef bugman posted:Wait, what? Frank Grimes's son showed up in a later episode. But it was in like season 20 or something, so you're better off for not having seen it.
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Oct 20, 2021 14:04
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He happened to like hookers okay.
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Oct 20, 2021 14:07
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One thing that’s common in 90s stuff is an early episode of Friends where Chandler suffers angst over getting offered a management job at his big corporation because it means he has to stare at numbers all day. He’s 27 and he’s probably making over $100k a year with no prior experience! There’s like a million millennials who’d slit his throat for that job now. Also, Ross sucks rear end, which everyone knows, but Chandler & Monica become intensely unlikable almost as soon as they start dating.
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There’s some shows that were pretty good at showing how the average family might have enough to get by, but luxuries and fancy vacations weren’t common. Malcolm in the Middle I really liked because it felt like my home setup growing up.
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Oct 20, 2021 14:55
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The episode of Everybody Hates Chris where his dad does the bills that month and pays most of them off, but then his mom explains they now have no money for groceries or gas and stuff basically sat me down and explained my parents financial situation to me
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Oct 20, 2021 15:02
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Calaveron posted:Also it's funny that the show depicts advertising as just coming up with slogans for products like some sort of middle school language arts assignment instead of looking at numbers and demographics and figuring out how advertising to a specific percentage of the population might net them a slightly bigger market share in the long run. Nobody actually wants TV to show the boring parts of jobs.
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Mr Interweb posted:it's not a poorly aged joke per se, but this talk about jobs and income reminded me how one thing that really bugged me about the frank grimes episode of the simpsons was how frank apparently made peanuts, despite working at a goddamned nuclear power plant. sure they make that great joke with him living between two bowling alleys, but as funny as it is, it makes no sense. grimes barely being able to afford an apartment in less than prime real estate made way less sense to me, even as a little kid, than homer being able to live in a 4 br house. again, both these people work in a goddamned nuclear power plant! The boomer living in a 4 br house while the recent college grad barely keeping a roof over his head at an equivalent position seems to be more accurate with time.
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Oct 20, 2021 15:21
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zakharov posted:Nobody actually wants TV to show the boring parts of jobs. Oh god the only parts of my job they’d show on tv are the worst parts, the meetings.
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Oct 20, 2021 15:21
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Douche Wolf 89 posted:The episode of Everybody Hates Chris where his dad does the bills that month and pays most of them off, but then his mom explains they now have no money for groceries or gas and stuff basically sat me down and explained my parents financial situation to me Conversely the 90s movie trope of "father is putting in too many hours at the office in order to support a family, two cars, and a 2500 square foot house on a single income. this is a moral failing because he missed the big soccer game" is absolutely bizarre to witness
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Alexander Hamilton posted:One thing that’s common in 90s stuff is an early episode of Friends where Chandler suffers angst over getting offered a management job at his big corporation because it means he has to stare at numbers all day. He’s 27 and he’s probably making over $100k a year with no prior experience! There’s like a million millennials who’d slit his throat for that job now.
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Oct 20, 2021 15:51
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:Execution for each and every f•r•i•e•n•d they all suck poo poo Ross didn't seem super terrible at first, then he was getting worse and the show got so bad in general I stopped watching
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pretty soft girl posted:Conversely the 90s movie trope of "father is putting in too many hours at the office in order to support a family, two cars, and a 2500 square foot house on a single income. this is a moral failing because he missed the big soccer game" is absolutely bizarre to witness Yeah 100%, and made even less sense as a kid because I knew it was obviously a good job and they were under a lot of pressure. I think it's a combination of successful movie execs not knowing what normal life is like, and that "work is the only thing in the way of having a happy family life" is easier to write than "I am a failure of a man because I chased my father's expectations, exceeded them, and yet still feel like my identity is shuffling between bed and work while keeping up with the Jonses keeps the debt piling up".
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Crowetron posted:Frank Grimes's son showed up in a later episode. But it was in like season 20 or something, so you're better off for not having seen it. Late series Simpsons, not even once.
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Oct 20, 2021 16:11
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Douche Wolf 89 posted:Yeah 100%, and made even less sense as a kid because I knew it was obviously a good job and they were under a lot of pressure. I think it's a combination of successful movie execs not knowing what normal life is like, and that "work is the only thing in the way of having a happy family life" is easier to write than "I am a failure of a man because I chased my father's expectations, exceeded them, and yet still feel like my identity is shuffling between bed and work while keeping up with the Jonses keeps the debt piling up". it's definitely 100% accurate to real life, plenty of redneck women get super pissed that their husbands have to work oil pipelines to pay bills while they stay at home. just watch teen mom lol
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Oct 20, 2021 16:12
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:The boomer living in a 4 br house while the recent college grad barely keeping a roof over his head at an equivalent position seems to be more accurate with time. I dunno if you've paid attention to the news but homer was a teenager in the 90s. No way is he a boomer.
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Frank Grimes becomes a lot less sympathetic realising he takes all his rage out on Homer and not the guy who pays him
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Frank Grimes becomes a lot less sympathetic realising he takes all his rage out on Homer and not the guy who pays him This is why I don't discuss how much I make with coworkers. There's been too many times they get furious with me and make it A Thing
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Oct 20, 2021 16:30
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Josef bugman posted:Late series Simpsons, not even once.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Frank Grimes becomes a lot less sympathetic realising he takes all his rage out on Homer and not the guy who pays him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P40sJOkxnac&hd=1
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:it's been longer between that episode and today than it was between that episode and the first episode Jesus. The Simpsons has been on too long, and should just stop in general.
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Josef bugman posted:Late series Simpsons, not even once. Yes hawowanlawow posted:it's definitely 100% accurate to real life, plenty of redneck women get super pissed that their husbands have to work oil pipelines to pay bills while they stay at home. just watch teen mom lol No Ghost Leviathan posted:Frank Grimes becomes a lot less sympathetic realising he takes all his rage out on Homer and not the guy who pays him Yes, even with his initial, reasonable issue being Homer's dangerous incompetence. He's misplacing his financial anger on Homer, should probably focus his efforts on getting Homer properly trained or replaced rather than embarrassed, and went to his house for dinner despite hating him and thinking he's an imminent threat to nuclear safety to pathetically berate him in front of his family.
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Oct 20, 2021 17:06
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The frank grimes son episode actually had a joke that made me laugh a bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jOzN0QEhuE&t=146s
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There is a fan theory that Homer gets residual income from the B Sharps album.
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