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Zeron posted:Can't wait to play as the UK and raise my prestige so high that no one else qualifies to be a great power. Holy cow, it didn't click for me that this is now a possibility. Imagine actually organically ending up with a unipolar or bipolar world order.
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I can’t wait until the first coup,e weeks of the game when the great powers are changing weekly as prestige fluctuates
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Oct 7, 2021 21:27
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I like that one of the requirements for becoming a great power is not being a subject or puppet. No more suddenly losing your hold over Bavaria because they temporarily climbed slightly too high in the ranks, undoing a decade of diplomatic and economic investments in an instant.
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Oct 7, 2021 21:52
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Zeron posted:Can't wait to play as the UK and raise my prestige so high that no one else qualifies to be a great power. Would have to be shockingly high. You could raise it high enough so that no one is within 75% of you, but they could still be a great power by having 3 times the average prestige. So unless you raise the average so high that no one else is 3 times above it (hard since there are probably over a hundred nations at game start given that China is rank 80), you'll still have some standouts.
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Oct 7, 2021 23:58
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Cantorsdust posted:Would have to be shockingly high. You could raise it high enough so that no one is within 75% of you, but they could still be a great power by having 3 times the average prestige. So unless you raise the average so high that no one else is 3 times above it (hard since there are probably over a hundred nations at game start given that China is rank 80), you'll still have some standouts. You could turn your closest rivals into vassals, possibly?
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Oct 8, 2021 00:43
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Oct 8, 2021 02:18
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Semi Annual reminder to watch "The battle of Algiers"
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Oct 8, 2021 02:23
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:It will still be an overlord/subject interaction so I think with what we know, the pops in EIC will be British pops with British standard of living and baseline laws all living in EIC, and EIC as the subject would be affected by decisions by the overlord in London. There's a lot of ways to make it basically make sense, and it's probably a fair thing to abstract, but I'm going to be curious about what they end up actually going with. I suppose we don't know anything about the subject/colony system, so it's possible that it could be well enough covered by that system, if home country capitalists typically have influence over subject nations policies.
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they're going to be a fancy name for a state that maybe has a unique trait until they do a dlc that makes them either massively overpowered or completely unusable for at least a patch
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Cantorsdust posted:Would have to be shockingly high. You could raise it high enough so that no one is within 75% of you, but they could still be a great power by having 3 times the average prestige. So unless you raise the average so high that no one else is 3 times above it (hard since there are probably over a hundred nations at game start given that China is rank 80), you'll still have some standouts. You can probably very effectively reduce the average by liberating lots of small countries out of the bigger ones. UK, liberator of nations?
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Oct 8, 2021 08:48
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That would do the exact opposite of what you want.
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Oct 8, 2021 08:49
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Just do a WC and you'll be the only great power
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Oct 8, 2021 11:22
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Looking at this screenshot: I would have LOVED to see the borders between those countries be blurred/undefined because until close to 1900, the only europeans to set foot in the lands of Khiva, northeastern Persia, Bukhara, Afganistan, ect were British or Russians playing the Great Game. I'm curious if Afganistan will come with the little extension that reaches out and touches China, because that didnt exist until the British and Russians agreed that Afganistan should have it so they didnt share a border in Asia.
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Charlz Guybon posted:France probably would have succeeded with Algeria if not for the demographic evisceration they suffered during the Great War. There's an illustrative article by a French theorist in around ~1900 arguing that in order to combat higher Prussian birthrates, France must make its colonial subjects into true Frenchmen, culturally and politically. Can't remember the name, but it does show that there was some interest in the metropole for this kind of program, even if it is only in a nation under intense inter-Great Power pressure.
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Smiling Knight posted:There's an illustrative article by a French theorist in around ~1900 arguing that in order to combat higher Prussian birthrates, France must make its colonial subjects into true Frenchmen, culturally and politically. Can't remember the name, but it does show that there was some interest in the metropole for this kind of program, even if it is only in a nation under intense inter-Great Power pressure. Portugal had, in theory, a similar colonial policy in the 20th century. In practice, it meant almost no difference to the colonized populations and was nothing but propaganda made to make their imperialism seem more humane and an excuse to hold on to their African colonies longer than other European states. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assimilado
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Yeah all the empires did that to one degree or another. Portugal at least half-heartedly tried to follow through during the Overseas Wars but that was only as a 'hearts and minds' thing. I think it kind of worked in Mozambique? That's the one they were winning before the Carnation Revolution I think.
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Eiba posted:While there was a lot of overlap and influence both ways, it's my (limited) understanding that it was not the British government, but British investors who ran the EIC. Investors who did not and never would actually live in India. When I say events in London should influence the EIC, I didn't mean that in an abstract way to mean the British government. I meant literal capitalist pops way off in the "London" province should probably be the most important interest group in the EIC.
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I only recently found out this was coming. I played some Victoria: Revolutions when my Internet cut out for a few days this week, so I'm stoked! CAPITALISTS BUILDS A FACTROY
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https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/1448287421796343809?s=20 Nice to see that Württemberg's opinion of Austria is that they are a big lake.
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Phlegmish posted:I only recently found out this was coming. I played some Victoria: Revolutions when my Internet cut out for a few days this week, so I'm stoked! god Ricky owned so much
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Oct 14, 2021 02:58
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Ricky > V2 don't @ me
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Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #19 - Relations and Infamy https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/victoria-3-dev-diary-19-relations-and-infamy.1494496/
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The Dev Diary posted:(...) violating a neutral country’s sovereignty during war... :BismarkGetIn: :CryingBelgium:
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KaiserJohan posted:
Pretty much expected but still a relief. Infamy in Vicky 2 was such an annoying, arbitrary mess, but this sounds much better.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U5FltMuWDo Also been trying to get into Victoria II, and I was surprised by how little control you have over the economy, and wasn't surprised by the incomprehensible UI. Is there a way to build schools or roads manually, or is that entirely in the background/depending on Capitalist caprice?
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TwoQuestions posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U5FltMuWDo You can build railroads manually, state by state in the old interface. Schools are abstracted as an education law for public school system. Also using your national focuses to promote clergy to an optimum amount of 4% will improve literacy over time.
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TwoQuestions posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U5FltMuWDo Some political parties give more control over industry than others. You can usually get a government that lets you build factroys and the like if you don't mind pissing some people off. Unless you end up in a republic that elects laissez-faire or something, in which case enjoy your massive economic collapse and widespread unemployment.
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DaysBefore posted:Yeah all the empires did that to one degree or another. Portugal at least half-heartedly tried to follow through during the Overseas Wars but that was only as a 'hearts and minds' thing. I think it kind of worked in Mozambique? That's the one they were winning before the Carnation Revolution I think. The Portuguese system was so poo poo and so small minded that white Portuguese people from alentejo or Algarve, basically the south of the country, were considered lesser people due to being generally dirt poor and not living in the Designated Three Relevant Cities. A poor white Portuguese in Africa was treated like a freak too, so the entire propaganda of "ultramarine provinces" didn't really encapsulate the whites living in the colonies, you can imagine how the Africans fared. Angola and Mozambique were basically silenced by 1974, but Guinea was turning into virtually conventional warfare and the cost of sustaining all of this was impossible. Mozambique was relatively calmer than Angola or guinea tho, if I'm not mistaken, which helped a lot.
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It sounds like diplomatic plays will basically let other nations intervene and get mad at your own internal decisions and subject relationships which is..fantastic. Seems like a natural evolution of the diplomatic system.
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Yeah I think the real innovation this will have over Vic 2 is the expanded diplomatic options. Really looking forward to being able to apply pressure to get what I want without necessarily going to war. Great Game and all that.
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Can't wait to bully other people in MP games for making dumb decisions, which causes them to enter in a spiral of capitulation between foreign interests and local interest groups until their country collapses and I can eat the remains
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Cantorsdust posted:Yeah I think the real innovation this will have over Vic 2 is the expanded diplomatic options. Really looking forward to being able to apply pressure to get what I want without necessarily going to war. Great Game and all that. Yeah the diplomacy in Vic 2 was always the weakest aspect. The crisis system was great but it was basically the only thing that wasn't extremely standard 4X stuff. You couldn't even do trade embargos! I particularly like the "violate sovereignty" option since the whole "neutral country won't give you military access and you can't actually get to the war you've been dragged into by an ally" thing was a pretty frequent problem in Victoria 2.
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Wiz posted:Subjects can start plays to get more autonomy or gain independence, and more autonomous subjects can even try to expand at the expense of other subjects of the same overlord (with the overlord able to take sides or stay out of it). lachek posted:Subjects, including Puppets, have their own Influence which they can start their own Pacts with, manipulate Relations, etcetera. The precise nature of their subject relationship might block some of these interactions but generally the approach we've taken is to be make subject nations as autonomously playable as possible without making your subjects too annoying when you're playing as the overlord. The rule of thumb is we want entering into (or being forced into) a subject relationship with a higher-ranking country to be a strategic medium-term choice rather than a death sentence. It sounds like being a subject is a much, much better deal than in V2. Which is great, there's a lot of starts/countries that are made a lot more playable/fun this way.
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That idea of making being or agreeing to become a subject into a valid route to take during the game is a really smart idea, considering how often that happened during the period, particularly to non-European countries. Botswana sent representatives to the UK to ask to become a protectorate to avoid getting annexed by South African colonists, iirc.
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Red Bones posted:That idea of making being or agreeing to become a subject into a valid route to take during the game is a really smart idea, considering how often that happened during the period, particularly to non-European countries. Botswana sent representatives to the UK to ask to become a protectorate to avoid getting annexed by South African colonists, iirc. CK3 does manage this balance i think, so i'm curious if paradox can strike it again in another context
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Red Bones posted:That idea of making being or agreeing to become a subject into a valid route to take during the game is a really smart idea, considering how often that happened during the period, particularly to non-European countries. Botswana sent representatives to the UK to ask to become a protectorate to avoid getting annexed by South African colonists, iirc. Though it needs trade offs or you just now do it at the beginning of every run
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Zeron posted:It sounds like being a subject is a much, much better deal than in V2. Which is great, there's a lot of starts/countries that are made a lot more playable/fun this way. if this really does well you should be able to naturally have things like 48 where hungary just starts invading all the other austrian client states, pissing them off and allowing austria to use them to clamp the whole thing down
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Normally paradox forum threads are unpleasantly nazi, but there is one about the correct representation of the canadian maritime provinces now and it's just kinda adorable https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/new-brunswick-is-wrong.1495362/ New Brunswick... is wrong
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Normally paradox forum threads are unpleasantly nazi, but there is one about the correct representation of the canadian maritime provinces now and it's just kinda adorable I mean... It is.
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