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Ciaphas posted:the big Enlightenment for me regarding EMMIs that turned them from frustrating to actually kinda fun was just going, instead of moving carefully or mucking about with the cloak*. this made me notice a few things i noticed these things in my first few encounters with them. the problem is that none of these aspects leads to compelling gameplay. instead it leads to tedious gameplay. its just normal trial and error, but more disruptive with mandatory cutscenes instead of just letting me explore a different path.
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ROJO posted:Alternatively, no actual sequence breaks are necessary for sub 4 hours, you can just run the intended game route reasonably quickly and make it. Granted that requires you to reasonably know where you are going (so does sequence breaking) - but as long as you aren't getting super lost and saving while you are off in the wrong part of the world - it is totally doable with zero sequence breaks. Yeah I'm not intending to do any sequence breaks, other than doing shinespark puzzle for an earlyish gravity suit (does that even count as a sequence break?). Maybe I'll give early grapple beam a try. 4 hours seems pretty generous, my hard mode run was 5:01 hours and I was by no means trying for a good time.
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I Am Just a Box posted:The Space Jump should improve your mobility in water areas. You still can't gain arbitrary height underwater but you can now cross arbitrary horizontal distances. FFFFFFfffffffffffffffffffffffffffff Thanks though! Finally on my way now. Good Sphere posted:I’ve had this happen with these types of games. If you take too long of a break, you start forgetting details of what is going on and where things are. I’d just focus on Dread, and you’ll get it. Then again, you said you were bored of it. To me, part of the fun is getting lost and figuring out the world like it’s a puzzle, but it’s not for everyone. The reason I'm getting bored is the combat and bosses, I play Metroid titles to chill, this one requires me to constantly be on point or I'm eating poo poo or playing a boss over again 10 times. This trial by fire poo poo doesn't suit Metroid. I never find the bosses to be rewarding upon defeat, I'm just alleviated it's over with, so I usually just find the nearest save point and put the game down for a day or two. And, like you said, doing that leaves me confused as to what I was even doing (doesn't help I've also been pretty high with my playthrough). I honestly had trouble even remembering what the last ability I got was with my previous post.
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sigher posted:FFFFFFfffffffffffffffffffffffffffff If you go to the map screen and press L there's a log of events like what your last briefing with Adam was or the last item you got, that might help
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sigher posted:FFFFFFfffffffffffffffffffffffffffff I know what you mean. I felt similarly, and I wanted it to be more like what I remembered about Super Metroid, which felt a lot more exploration-based and way less difficult fighting. Luckily, there are times in the game where the experience is like that, and most enemies you can just breeze through. But the game does in fact pack a challenge and beats you into submission throughout a large portion of the game, though the EMMI stuff does eventually calm down a bit too. One big difference between our experience are the bosses, because I felt they were very rewarding to defeat. The game really demands the player improves their skill, yet it never takes cheap shots and is actually very fair, which I love. The game was right about “no attack is unavoidable”. Good Sphere fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 14:12
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With most of the bosses I basically had what I hear the Dark Souls experience is where you get your chassis handled to you a dozen times until all the patterns click and you understand what you're supposed to do.
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Hadn't considered a 0% run until someone in the thread mentioned it, kind of love it for the thrill but hoo boy do I miss a bit of wiggle room. Made it to phase3 of the final boss this morning before work and thought I was doin real well til I slipped up and ate a megalaser.
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I know the EMMI were made by The Federation, but are the EMMI zones themselves made by the Federation or Chozo?
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Oct 22, 2021 15:54
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This game ramps loving fast to the end game. I assume anyways, I just got to Raven Beak after I feel the game just threw all the end game weapons and poo poo at me. Like, here is Power bombs, a new beam, and screw attack, go loving nuts. I do like how Smamus just becomes a murder god though. Then again, I am probably setting myself up to realize there is a whole section on the right that I haven't discovered yet.
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Good Sphere posted:I know the EMMI were made by The Federation, but are the EMMI zones themselves made by the Federation or Chozo? I got the impression the rooms are just rooms that are controlled by the mini Mother Brains. They were probably used by the Chozo for something else before civilisation crumbled and they were a convenient place to put the EMMIs because the brains were capable of redirecting them.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:i noticed these things in my first few encounters with them. the problem is that none of these aspects leads to compelling gameplay. instead it leads to tedious gameplay. its just normal trial and error, but more disruptive with mandatory cutscenes instead of just letting me explore a different path. I don't know if you know this but you having to try again after reaching a failure state in a game isn't "trial and error" its just how most video games work.
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Just finished the game. Fun time, and the ending was sick but why did the planet explode?
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Updog Scully posted:Just finished the game. Fun time, and the ending was sick but why did the planet explode? Samus was on it. For real though Somehow the X had hosed up the planetary core.
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Updog Scully posted:Just finished the game. Fun time, and the ending was sick but why did the planet explode? These things happen
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Oct 22, 2021 17:35
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The planets from the Prime games should count their lucky stars that they all encountered Samus and lived. Except one, of course.
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Zoran posted:The planets from the Prime games should count their lucky stars that they all encountered Samus and lived. Two if you count Dark Aether
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stev posted:I got the impression the rooms are just rooms that are controlled by the mini Mother Brains. They were probably used by the Chozo for something else before civilisation crumbled and they were a convenient place to put the EMMIs because the brains were capable of redirecting them. See I thought the Central Units were improvements on the Aurora Units from Prime 3, which were Federation made and similar to Mother Brain. The feds seem to keep basing their supercomputers off mother brain and are surprised when it turns on them
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I was assuming Central Units were Chozo creations, and Mother Brain was basically just one that got hijacked.
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yeah it's canon that the chozo did the brain computers first. we didn't know they just made a whole bunch of them until now tho. it's clear they're of the same type/model as mother brain (also chozo creation) and they're even defended by the same turrets so i guess the chozo just installed these things all over the place and we're lucky only mother brain got ideas. chozo: big on bio-mechanical stuff and also being the cause of everything wrong in the galaxy
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stev posted:I got the impression the rooms are just rooms that are controlled by the mini Mother Brains. They were probably used by the Chozo for something else before civilisation crumbled and they were a convenient place to put the EMMIs because the brains were capable of redirecting them. That’s right. I forgot about the brains in those areas, which makes sense the whole area would be Chozo. But then how are there exactly enough EMMIs for each designated space, and why do they limit themselves to those areas? Your Computer posted:yeah it's canon that the chozo did the brain computers first. we didn't know they just made a whole bunch of them until now tho. it's clear they're of the same type/model as mother brain (also chozo creation) and they're even defended by the same turrets so i guess the chozo just installed these things all over the place and we're lucky only mother brain got ideas. I think they are Chozo, but different brains, because these are armored, and even when the armor’s destroyed, they seem to be able to float and shield themselves using their grandiose power of thought alone. Good Sphere fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Good Sphere posted:But then how are there exactly enough EMMIs for each designated space, and why do they limit themselves to those areas? If the EMMI weren't being controlled they could go anywhere, but because the CUs are being used to control the EMMI and the CUs have limited control range, the EMMIs are limited to the areas each CU controls.
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Good Sphere posted:But then how are there exactly enough EMMIs for each designated space, and why do they limit themselves to those areas?
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Dieting Hippo posted:If the EMMI weren't being controlled they could go anywhere, but because the CUs are being used to control the EMMI and the CUs have limited control range, the EMMIs are limited to the areas each CU controls. But Samus destroys control units. So maybe they go on autopilot after this happens and are confined to those areas based on their altered programming. Your Computer posted:my guess is that it's just conveniently the exact number because video game, and raven beak made them patrol those areas specifically because they contain the brains which are the only thing with the energy to destroy the emmi. it's a pretty video-gamey thing regardless but it makes sense to me anyway Yes the video game-ness shines through, but in a totally acceptable way. There’s really no better way to design that type of game (that I know of) where you have a world designed around your collected abilities, and even makes you stuck in an area after getting a new ability, which is a great way to teach a player without words and ruining the immersion. e: It also makes sense they are confined to those areas to protect the control units.
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Good Sphere posted:But Samus destroys control units. So maybe they go on autopilot after this happens and are confined to those areas based on their altered programming. when the control units get destroyed the E.M.M.I. that was formerly under it’s control is now free to beeline to you because they can detect the omega cannon signature.
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WHY BONER NOW posted:If you go to the map screen and press L there's a log of events like what your last briefing with Adam was or the last item you got, that might help Thanks! Good Sphere posted:I know what you mean. I felt similarly, and I wanted it to be more like what I remembered about Super Metroid, which felt a lot more exploration-based and way less difficult fighting. Luckily, there are times in the game where the experience is like that, and most enemies you can just breeze through. But the game does in fact pack a challenge and beats you into submission throughout a large portion of the game, though the EMMI stuff does eventually calm down a bit too. One big difference between our experience are the bosses, because I felt they were very rewarding to defeat. The game really demands the player improves their skill, yet it never takes cheap shots and is actually very fair, which I love. The game was right about “no attack is unavoidable”. The game is fair (outside of Melee counters, the varying length of time on the same attack are some bullshit) and challenging, you're right but I don't want the latter in Metroid. I'm honestly looking forward to the point where I have all of the upgrades and I'm just going to mop up the rest of the items, because finding them and figuring the puzzles to attain them is pure, distilled Metroid. It's  . I yearn for that while I play, and wish the game had more of it. Ghost Leviathan posted:With most of the bosses I basically had what I hear the Dark Souls experience is where you get your chassis handled to you a dozen times until all the patterns click and you understand what you're supposed to do. I love me some Sekiro and Bloodborne and beating the bosses in those are harder than anything in Dread but it feels amazing to finish FromSoft bosses and I'm sadly not getting that with Dread. It also helps that the bosses in Bloodborne and Sekiro are some of the best in all of gaming, they're just loving awesome, have dope rear end attacks and it's just amazing bombast coupled with stunning locations and music. The bosses, outside of difficulty, have been pretty middle of the road or completely dull in Dread. The only boss that got me excited was Kraid, it helps that there's nostalgia behind him, I loved the attack pattern and what you had to do to beat it, it felt inspired as all hell and is probably my favorite fight in all of 2D Metroid. Outside of that the soldier things just feel like tanky enemies regular enemies, the eye things that area always rehashed would have been good as a one off-thing rather than a theme in variation (it's crazy someone thought to making this a repeated fight), the E.M.M.I.'s are just terrible in every regard and should have been cut and the unique bosses have been forgettable. The game demands you be the most concentrated during bosses but they didn't make the bosses interesting enough to warrant that from me.
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It's a little weird that you can melee whenever but it never actually does anything outside of a counter window, in retrospect
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Plenty of things you can kill with the dash melee. Also the heel flip when you melee out of a morph is just rad.
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I liked smashing frozen enemies with the melee. Overall an improvement from Samus Returns where it felt like I had to melee counter every trash mob or they’d take 100 beam hits to kill.
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If I gently caress up a melee counter then I just beat them to death, tends to work in late game.
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It actually does damage? I tried to kick bats and some other guys but they never seemed to die unless iced.
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Good Sphere posted:I know the EMMI were made by The Federation, but are the EMMI zones themselves made by the Federation or Chozo? Technically the EMMIs are owned by the Federation, but appear to have actually been made by whoever "Exelion Star Corporation" is. Which is interesting that the detail was included, but not brought up other than their logo appearing once in the intro and again in the gallery. Makes me wonder if they were established to come up again in a later game, or if someone just felt like throwing in a military contractor for some flavor.
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RBA Starblade posted:It actually does damage? I tried to kick bats and some other guys but they never seemed to die unless iced. Only the running melee does damage. Stand-still melee just bops an enemy backwards with no damage.
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Dieting Hippo posted:Only the running melee does damage. Stand-still melee just bops an enemy backwards with no damage. Ohh didn't know that
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RBA Starblade posted:Ohh didn't know that Yep, there's also a visual indicator! Regular melee is a light whiff, dash melee will turn yellow/red.
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Melee dash's damage also increases when you get the Varia and Gravity upgrades. I have no idea how much though.
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Gruckles posted:Technically the EMMIs are owned by the Federation, but appear to have actually been made by whoever "Exelion Star Corporation" is. Which is interesting that the detail was included, but not brought up other than their logo appearing once in the intro and again in the gallery. Cool, I didn’t notice that detail. sigher posted:Thanks! I sometimes DREAD facing the EMMIs, but I love the challenge they provide, and the fear they induce is so effective. And the design of them in general is so cool. I hope Nintendo teams up with a company to produce larger scale, high quality models of them with limbs that can be repositioned and such. I shall place it in my china cabinet for relatives and other guests to marvel at.  The bosses are for a lot of the part inspired to me, but maybe not for everyone. You may also have way more experience than me in other games that truly have better bosses. Good Sphere fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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dread bosses and souls bosses are too different to compare imho, in souls games a boss is mostly a test of timing while movement and positioning are way more important in dread
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TheComicFiend posted:Hadn't considered a 0% run until someone in the thread mentioned it, kind of love it for the thrill but hoo boy do I miss a bit of wiggle room. Heck yeah gg! I have the most fun with 0%, where we’re going we don’t need energy or missiles
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Gruckles posted:Technically the EMMIs are owned by the Federation, but appear to have actually been made by whoever "Exelion Star Corporation" is. Which is interesting that the detail was included, but not brought up other than their logo appearing once in the intro and again in the gallery. I'm calling it now, Exelion Star Corporation is a Shadow Company that some other Chozo were using to supply the Feds with advanced Chozo Tech, for some (possibly nefarious) reason. That's about the only way I can explain EMMI's being resistant to anything Samus does with her Power Suit, because they knew how to make it resistant to Chozo Weaponry.
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