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fartman posted:do these people think that nobody ever gets shot and killed or something? It’s what happens when 100% of your already small brain is focused on the fear of someone taking away your penis.
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camera footage of the event has been digitally remastered and now shows halyna shot first
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Bad Purchase posted:camera footage of the event has been digitally remastered and now shows halyna shot first yeah but you have to buy the prequels box set to see it
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Blotto_Otter posted:When a stuntman falls off a motorcycle or gets hit by a car, we don't say they were injured riding a prop motorcycle or got hit by a prop car. I remember that some ten years ago there was a specific line of "6mm" replica pistols which looked like real guns but could only shoot specific type of blanks. They used be permit free here, but were banned because A) they still looked and sounded like real guns so they were used in robberies and B) they were too easy to bore out and swap parts to accept real ammo, even if it resulted to a lovely pistol. So yeah, there at least used to be an industry making realistic prop guns, which could have made using real guns in movies pointless, even illegal.
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Blotto_Otter posted:When a stuntman falls off a motorcycle or gets hit by a car, we don't say they were injured riding a prop motorcycle or got hit by a prop car. All true, but we also understand that motorcycles are fundamentally not weapons so we don't really need those descriptors. Like we understand that people aren't supposed to be hit by cars. Guns are typically used for killing things so "prop" is used as--admittedly misleading for the reasons you've noted--shorthand for "this gun wasn't supposed to work like that", immediately framing it as an accident in a way that "Alec Baldwin shoots two people with a gun" wouldn't so much.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Guns don't kill people. You're obviously a deep state agent because VACCINES kill people. We're are not dumb!
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christmas boots posted:All true, but we also understand that motorcycles are fundamentally not weapons so we don't really need those descriptors. Like we understand that people aren't supposed to be hit by cars. Guns are typically used for killing things so "prop" is used as--admittedly misleading for the reasons you've noted--shorthand for "this gun wasn't supposed to work like that", immediately framing it as an accident in a way that "Alec Baldwin shoots two people with a gun" wouldn't so much. it's about transparency in gun accident reporting
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Ralph Hurley posted:It’s what happens when 100% of your already small brain is focused on the fear of someone taking away your penis. wait who is trying to take away my penis
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Blotto_Otter posted:When a stuntman falls off a motorcycle or gets hit by a car, we don't say they were injured riding a prop motorcycle or got hit by a prop car. I think the headline writers are just trying to not make it sound like Alec got pissed and brought a gun to set.
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wa27 posted:I think the headline writers are just trying to not make it sound like Alec got pissed and brought a gun to set. Can you prove he didn't?
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They should have used the Vito Spatafore Boonton special
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Blotto_Otter posted:If it is industry jargon to use the term "prop gun" for both a fake gun used only as a prop and a real gun that happens to be used as a prop, It isn't, industry jargon is that a "prop gun" is a fake rubber or metal cast of a gun, which cannot ever fire a bullet. But that's what the other posters were complaining about, general news reporting on the event is not following industry jargon. He didn't shoot someone with a fake rubber gun, he used a real gun. But in this case the industry jargon would be confusing to the general audience, so the news writers are rightfully avoiding it. Being "correct" in this case would be less clear.
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will ‘stand your ground’ apply in this case because they were forcing him to do another take against his will?
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Der Kyhe posted:I remember that some ten years ago there was a specific line of "6mm" replica pistols which looked like real guns but could only shoot specific type of blanks. There still is, it’s just that normally a real gun is cheaper and just as safe. You still have a bang tube shooting blanks no matter what. Fun fact, prop departments often use real guns as the basis for sci-fi blasters too. Typically they just take a rare or cool-looking gun and hang grubbinz and greebles on them to make it look more futuristic.
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Vengarr posted:There still is, it’s just that normally a real gun is cheaper and just as safe. You still have a bang tube shooting blanks no matter what. Yeah, a pull-up assault rifle reject from the 80's from our armed forces got a second life as the plasma rifle of the Terminator movies. Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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I just read that plot summary of this movie, it centers around an accidental murder 
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"DP Killed and Director Injured in Pyrotechnic Stunt Gone Wrong" doesnt get clicks like "Alec Baldwin Gun Murder Spree"
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BIG TIT LIL NIP posted:wait who is trying to take away my penis Me. Give it to me now.
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Testvan posted:I just read that plot summary of this movie, it centers around an accidental murder i've heard of method acting, but this is ridiculous!
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Play posted:Me. Give it to me now. no me I'll pay more than they will Bidding starts at 3 cans of Tab, room temperature
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People dying is worth it because of just how loving lovely digital muzzle flashes look. Same with digital blood spatter. Seriously, have you seen that poo poo? It’s repugnant!
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If only the cinematographer had a gun of her own, this entire tragedy could have been averted.
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Klyith posted:It isn't, industry jargon is that a "prop gun" is a fake rubber or metal cast of a gun, which cannot ever fire a bullet. Ah, I see. I disagree that writing headlines that directly conflicts with industry jargon was the right choice; I think reporting it as “prop gun” makes things less clear to the average reader in gun-happy America. I suspect that when many people read the phrase “prop gun”, they might not realize that is describing a real, functional gun. wa27 posted:I think the headline writers are just trying to not make it sound like Alec got pissed and brought a gun to set. I think describing it as “accidental” or “unintentional” could accomplish that without adding ambiguity around the fact that a real gun was used. I realize some folks could see this as quibbling over semantics, but this kind of clarity and accuracy is what good journalists and editors get paid to care about. This kind of reporting both influences and is influenced by American gun culture, and that culture is part of the story of how accidents like this happen.
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Testvan posted:I just read that plot summary of this movie, it centers around an accidental murder we are all pawns in alec baldwin's game
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Klyith posted:No, I think it's to make clear the circumstances of the accident -- that an actor fired a gun specifically intended to be a safe movie prop, which turned out to be not safe and killed someone by accident. Yes this is fair and probably at least partly true Technical jargon is for the professionals and courts and in-depth articles, not headlines
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Blotto_Otter posted:I think describing it as “accidental” or “unintentional” could accomplish that without adding ambiguity around the fact that a real gun was used. they do care, which is why they would avoid describing something as accidental or unintentional before it was established if either of those things were true* *standard does not apply if a cop shot someone, then it's "unintentional" before during and after it turns out they shot the person on purpose
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https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1451634746061168646 Yeah the camera crew walked off. partially because of huge safety issues on set, explicitily gun safety but also turnaround and hours. This whole show was an accident waiting to happen apparently.
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Was OSHA ever at the scene when John Lennon's son, Brandon Lee, killed himself by switching fake bullets with real bullets on the set of the Crow? Also is the Crow the same as Sting from WCW???
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Surprised there aren't headlines starting with " 'Trump' shoots woman! "
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Valentin posted:they do care, which is why they would avoid describing something as accidental or unintentional before it was established if either of those things were true Was that not pretty well established by the point most of these headlines were written? If it wasn’t, then fair point. My opinion is still that describing a real gun as a “prop gun” adds ambiguity, not clarity.
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That's what I call a killer performance
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happyhippy posted:Surprised there aren't headlines starting with " 'Trump' shoots woman! " they don't want him to get elected again
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kntfkr posted:Was OSHA ever at the scene when John Lennon's son, Brandon Lee, killed himself by switching fake bullets with real bullets on the set of the Crow? No, he's Sting from The Police.
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Cacator posted:No, he's Sting from The Police. Now, you're wrong there. I know for a fact that Sting from the Police is Gordon Matthew Thomas Sumner CBE.
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Liz lemon: Jack, did you fire the union propmaster? Jack donaghy: lemon, take my word for it— hiring non-union is always the way to go Liz lemon: well, then who’s managing the props?? Kenneth: (running up, out of breath) Mr. donaghy, here’s the gun you asked for!
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Teamsters sabotaged the set on their way out this is the future liberals want!
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