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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:ICBMs and SLBMs are closely-related weapons system but there is still the issue of ICBMs coming from more-or-less a known direction and location (and thus with a pretty easy to predict re-entry profile) vs SLBMs which can come from anywhere. Maybe that doesn't matter anymore? But if that doesn't matter then the risk (and deterrent effect) posed by a hypersonic missile should be similarly low. ICBMs are already hypersonic. These new things the main deal is they go up and they come down. They don't got parabolas. So they can conceal your target but also they don't spend much time in the part of the atmosphere that missile defense can do stuff in.
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Oct 22, 2021 07:34
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30.5 Days posted:ICBMs are already hypersonic. These new things the main deal is they go up and they come down. They don't got parabolas. So they can conceal your target but also they don't spend much time in the part of the atmosphere that missile defense can do stuff in. wait so does it go up into space and 'hang out' until the earth rotation reaches it's target then it comes down? but surely a country that has such an overwhelming space surveillance system like the US would have the ability to find it in?
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Oct 22, 2021 07:53
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Al-Saqr posted:wait so does it go up into space and 'hang out' until the earth rotation reaches it's target then it comes down? but surely a country that has such an overwhelming space surveillance system like the US would have the ability to find it in? you can get up to some sneaky poo poo in space. the u.s. can't even track planes in its territory, much less a dark military hardware in orbit around the entire planet
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Oct 22, 2021 07:56
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Al-Saqr posted:wait so does it go up into space and 'hang out' until the earth rotation reaches it's target then it comes down? but surely a country that has such an overwhelming space surveillance system like the US would have the ability to find it in? Fast poo poo with no clear trajectory is a nightmare to track.
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Oct 22, 2021 07:58
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of course this is why any sort of space launch capability is indistinguishable from offensive military tech
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Oct 22, 2021 08:01
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30.5 Days posted:ICBMs are already hypersonic. These new things the main deal is they go up and they come down. They don't got parabolas. So they can conceal your target but also they don't spend much time in the part of the atmosphere that missile defense can do stuff in. To bring it back to my original point: "evading" missile defense (in the sense of early detection i.e. so the country you're launching missiles against doesn't have time to get ICBMs in the air before they've been hit, and so you're instead faced with the prospect of a weakened second strike rather than the full brunt of their arsenal) doesn't seem to be the point of this system. But, that's not what you meant by missile defense either, as I now realize. I think tractor fanatic had the right of it when he pointed out that these weapons would, in the event of a first strike on China by the US, increase the threat posed even by a weakened second strike due to their ability to evade "active" missile defense. So if that's what you're trying to get at here, then yeah I understand and I agree - with the caveat that, again, with the resources China has presumably invested in hypersonic (glide) missile technology, that I'm just surprised they don't have a more robust submarine program since that's presumably better ROI than this. Unless I'm misunderstanding the role that submarines and SLBMs play in all this, these new missiles don't really change the strategic landscape all that much (because they are just filling a role already occupied by SLBMs). But, you know, defense in depth is a thing as well, of course. At any rate Torpor's claim that this all indicates that China considers a first strike a viable option, seems unsupportable to me.
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Oct 22, 2021 08:54
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Worth pointing out that, historically anyway, the real first strike technology was stealth bombers. Wonder that we're the only country with a serious investment in those.
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Oct 22, 2021 08:57
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I think one way to look at it is to compare it to that article about China having multiple concurrent projects exploring every avenue of nuclear power generation. Yes, there's arguably a better argument for SLBMs as a better answer for achieving the strategic goals that's also accomplished by a "hypersonic missile", but it's a fair bet that China is pursuing both this project, and also developing new/more SSBNs besides.
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Oct 22, 2021 09:15
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it's gotta be way easier to maintain and keep at acceptable readiness these new missiles than submarines AND missiles
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Oct 22, 2021 09:37
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i say swears online posted:it's gotta be way easier to maintain and keep at acceptable readiness these new missiles than submarines AND missiles All china needs are buzzing crickets
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Oct 22, 2021 09:39
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Palladium posted:All china needs are buzzing crickets or overworked state department employees and deranged lawmakers and media! they could boogeyman their way to our downfall by posting a picture of a fortune cookie with a thumbtack in it on facebook
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Oct 22, 2021 09:42
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Maximo Roboto posted:got jokes got jokes Goatstein going from obsessing over Glenn Greenwald to obsessing over China is certainly a weird turn
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Oct 22, 2021 10:01
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gradenko_2000 posted:I think one way to look at it is to compare it to that article about China having multiple concurrent projects exploring every avenue of nuclear power generation. Yes, there's arguably a better argument for SLBMs as a better answer for achieving the strategic goals that's also accomplished by a "hypersonic missile", but it's a fair bet that China is pursuing both this project, and also developing new/more SSBNs besides. Possible. Didn't they also get stuck in fighter engine production? I'm sure they could solve most every technical problem by throwing more resources at it, but even China's resources aren't unlimited. Throwing everything you have at power generation makes a lot of sense. Throwing everything at achieving the highest kill/death ratio when the world ends is less so.
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Oct 22, 2021 10:07
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These materials, we allege, were obtained via cyber magic; you may safely ignore the contents and instead rant about China, Iran, North Korea, or Russia. https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1451405540404383750
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Oct 22, 2021 11:59
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Corky Romanovsky posted:These materials, we allege, were obtained via cyber magic; you may safely ignore the contents and instead rant about China, Iran, North Korea, or Russia. lol if I was China I’d very publicly put Uighurs in as many factories as possible and dare the west to boycott everything over an imagined genocide
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Oct 22, 2021 12:09
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https://twitter.com/hiketaker/status/1430334200415203329
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Oct 22, 2021 12:14
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These materials may have been obtained through hacking Lol
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Oct 22, 2021 12:26
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Corky Romanovsky posted:These materials, we allege, were obtained via cyber magic; you may safely ignore the contents and instead rant about China, Iran, North Korea, or Russia.
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Oct 22, 2021 12:28
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AnimeIsTrash posted:These materials may have been obtained through hacking https://twitter.com/genius_posting/status/1364727802969350144
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Oct 22, 2021 12:31
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Not So Fast posted:Goatstein going from obsessing over Glenn Greenwald to obsessing over China is certainly a weird turn  
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Oct 22, 2021 12:46
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Boss fight energy
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Oct 22, 2021 13:02
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AnimeIsTrash posted:These materials may have been obtained through hacking lol
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Oct 22, 2021 13:20
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Jetto Jagga posted:Whatever happened to fnox or whatever his name was, the venezuelan dude with the bird av who embodied the oppressed spirit of the vzn people I havent read his D&D posts but he chats in a goon discord & Venezuela came up, he seemed to be more into economic wonk than "president trump/biden my people yearn for freedom", and is just generally peeved about how the US sanctions drew attention away from that
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Oct 22, 2021 13:26
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Corky Romanovsky posted:These materials, we allege, were obtained via cyber magic; you may safely ignore the contents and instead rant about China, Iran, North Korea, or Russia. How else can you push them into Independent movement?
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Oct 22, 2021 13:27
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Hedenius posted:Don't tell me you don't remember banned SA-poster Pro-PRC Laowai? Looking up why he was banned I found a post from 2012 that I just have to share a few parts of: Now imagine him in a wechat group.
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Oct 22, 2021 14:44
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol if I was China I’d very publicly put Uighurs in as many factories as possible and dare the west to boycott everything over an imagined genocide  That would be one way for US to solve the supply chain backlog.
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Oct 22, 2021 15:04
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lol
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Oct 22, 2021 15:10
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Corky Romanovsky posted:These materials, we allege, were obtained via cyber magic; you may safely ignore the contents and instead rant about China, Iran, North Korea, or Russia. omfg somebody might be doing a Serious Journalism!
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Oct 22, 2021 15:20
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https://twitter.com/drogon_dracarys/status/1451547252258902021
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Oct 22, 2021 16:29
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gradenko_2000 posted:I think one way to look at it is to compare it to that article about China having multiple concurrent projects exploring every avenue of nuclear power generation. Yes, there's arguably a better argument for SLBMs as a better answer for achieving the strategic goals that's also accomplished by a "hypersonic missile", but it's a fair bet that China is pursuing both this project, and also developing new/more SSBNs besides. As long as you stay away from the Pandora's Box that is (F)OBS a hypersonic toy plane is a great tool that isn't too terribly destabilizing. Rent-A-Cop has issued a correction as of 17:22 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 17:20
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Hypersonic sub orbital tourism, crewed by the oldest crazy Chinese actor. Jackie Chan
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Oct 22, 2021 17:25
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Hubbert posted:i am truly proud that the proud US Marines will carry on the tradition of the KMT carpetbaggers The same KMT carpetbaggers that Beijing is eagerly courting just because they happen to be pro-reunification, politics makes strange bedfellows
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Oct 22, 2021 17:34
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:. I was going off the Wikipedia entry for FOBS and the pentagons analysis of the system in the 1960s. I suppose the advance of technology has changed the calculus, but a missile designed to avoid early warning is pretty sus. admittedly the US has analogous systems like the b-2; and not to mention SLBMs. in any case the reality of MAD is that nuclear weapons have a strange contradiction going on in that they are infinitely valuable only so long as they remain unused, and the second they are launched or dropped they are probably the most costly, least valuable item on the planet and a nearly infinite liability. edit: they are designed to not be used but look like they will be used even though you never ever want to use them; so it takes a helluva sell to be convincing. Torpor has issued a correction as of 17:51 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 17:47
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https://twitter.com/mrsmontenegro78/status/1449842372993593347
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Oct 22, 2021 18:28
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white liberals, ugh https://twitter.com/truther_justice/status/1450118693502005252?s=20 edit: nvm i dont know wtf this guy is saying he is 
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Oct 22, 2021 19:18
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https://mobile.twitter.com/koreasociety/status/1451544854912241671
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Oct 22, 2021 19:27
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https://twitter.com/EnesKanter/status/1451581224087134209?s=20
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Oct 22, 2021 19:31
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shut the gently caress up gulenist
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Oct 22, 2021 19:33
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pretty sus when this guy is literally being posted all over social media, imgur, reddit, and probably facebook too and being framed as a brave hero for speaking up
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Oct 22, 2021 19:42
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maybe Xi can make an Uyghur day and then go on vacation for it like Trudeau did for Truth and Reconciliation Day
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