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Steadiman posted:Keep in mind that a producer credit often doesn't mean much, it could just be granted for investing in the movie (or, with actors, waiving part of their fee). Not saying that was the case here, just that the actual producer job is more a financial function than a day-to-day/hiring person. Exec producers are usually the ones that are just getting a credit for being the money men.
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I actually do trust steadiman for info on how movies are made considering their work experience.
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People on twitter are being very normal about not getting overly opinionated in the tragic story They're showing a lot of tact in not suddenly googling the person who was killed and pretending like they always loved her and had something ripped away from them personally by Alec Baldwin They're also not angrily demanding the people posting the extremely sad photo of Baldwin heaving after the shooting post photos of the dead woman instead, because for some reason one of the photos needs to be blasted everywhere Twitter's handling this really well
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Douche Wolf 89 posted:Twitter's handling this really well That means there's another story somewhere that's being handled particularly badly.
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Oct 22, 2021 19:09
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Samovar posted:Rich failchildren become journalists in the U.K., fyi. Chiles has his Guardian gig through loving the editor of the paper, not through nepotism.
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Oct 22, 2021 19:11
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Skwirl posted:Exec producers are usually the ones that are just getting a credit for being the money men. Again, just saying that Alec being credited as a producer doesn't have to mean he actually "produced" anything at all. Maybe he did have a deep involvement but all that will come out soon enough and in that case I hope he gets fully held responsible. Sorry if I'm being a bit rambly but I knew Halyna so today has been a bit of a weird one.
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Steadiman posted:Sorry if I'm being a bit rambly but I knew Halyna so today has been a bit of a weird one. Oh poo poo, that sucks.
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Oct 22, 2021 19:18
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It's just loving gross, because it's conservatives that hate Alec Baldwin (news flash, most liberals hate him too) using this as a "HAHAHA EAT poo poo, BALDWIN". Like....I know, I know, Dril and the "you do not, in fact, have to 'hand it to them'" tweet,...but I was shocked to see this classy response from Crowder. https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/1451594610208382981 But then you see poo poo like this: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1451549428754563076 ...Why would they? He isn't their employee, and he didn't shoot someone while filming SNL. Does SNL make statements anytime anyone that has ever appeared on their show commits a crime?
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Oct 22, 2021 19:18
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They let trump host after he committed god knows how many crimes.
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Oct 22, 2021 19:27
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Read After Burning posted:
I'd be slightly surprised if this isn't mentioned during Weekend Update. If it had happened on Monday it definitely would be mentioned.
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Oh, I imagine it could be mentioned in Weekend Update or a skit or something. But I think ol' Jack here is demanding a "let's get serious and talk to the audience for a bit" segment.
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Read After Burning posted:Oh, I imagine it could be mentioned in Weekend Update or a skit or something. But I think ol' Jack here is demanding a "let's get serious and talk to the audience for a bit" segment. Has SNL ever done that in their history? I agree with the idea they don't have an obligation to do that and I really hope they don't because they would do it wrong. I don't even know what they would say? "Hey, this guy that used to work for us on a freelance basis but hasn't in almost a year was involved in a tragic accident that he may or may not have some sort of culpability in, we don't know. And we feel bad about that and won't hire him again to play a character we probably wouldn't use in any sketches for at least 2 and a half years." Like, even if Alec Baldwin is completely and totally at fault, we aren't gonna find that out before 11 pm Eastern tomorrow.
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Steadiman posted:Keep in mind that a producer credit often doesn't mean much, it could just be granted for investing in the movie (or, with actors, waiving part of their fee). Not saying that was the case here, just that the actual producer job is more a financial function than a day-to-day/hiring person. Actually they generally reserve "Executive Producer" credits for people who are judged valuable towards getting a movie made. This is usually through the amount of pull they have in the business or the contacts that they have that end up being important. Producers actually do work, so if Baldwin was a Producer and not an Executive Producer he was probably more involved in the making of the movie. edit: He's still not at fault for this accident. I feel really bad for him. Read After Burning posted:Oh, I imagine it could be mentioned in Weekend Update or a skit or something. But I think ol' Jack here is demanding a "let's get serious and talk to the audience for a bit" segment. Why would they mention this on SNL? It's a comedy show and there's no joke to be made here. 
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I'm happy to see that everybody is being adults about the accident itt, keep it up
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Oct 22, 2021 20:16
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No joke to be made has never stopped SNL before
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Philippe posted:I'm happy to see that everybody is being adults about the accident itt, keep it up Involuntary Manslaughter at best, yeah. But watch nobody get charged. EDIT: The story being that somebody wanted to do another take and Baldwin actually said "How about I just shoot both of you instead" and fired at them definitely isn't a good look, I don't give a drat how much "It's supposed to be a prop gun!" or "It was supposed to be loaded with blanks!" arguments are made. That poo poo hasn't been "safe" since at least as far back as the 1980s, and commonly known as not being safe without some kind of protection between the person firing and the person they're firing at, and Alec Baldwin in particular should have loving known better, given how long he's been acting. Some Pinko Commie has a new favorite as of 20:30 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 20:27
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Why would SNL start being funny now? also it's not like he's some stranger to the show, he's one of (if not the) most frequent host and has appeared several times just for funsies. He's friends with the show's creator and most influential person and also happens to be the focus of what is probably the biggest news story of the week.
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Baron von Eevl posted:He's friends with the show's creator and most influential person and also happens to be the focus of what is probably the biggest news story of the week. Nah, I see Steven Bannon being a bigger story, at least when it comes to SNL. Or a sketch about Brian Laundrie's parents. The thing I saw said that Baldwin was waving the gun around while ranting about Trump, but I've only seen chuds passing that around, so I'd take it with an entire salt shaker. Read After Burning has a new favorite as of 20:35 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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Oct 22, 2021 20:33
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Involuntary Manslaughter at best, yeah. But watch nobody get charged. The one website that had that story took it down, so I doubt it's true.
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Oct 22, 2021 20:34
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I'm just confused why sets have to use real guns
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Oct 22, 2021 20:41
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I've posted it elsewhere and I'll post it here: There is no reason to use real guns on stage or set in this day and age. As someone who works in the industry, whether the fault lies on the propsmaster or the producer, the fact is that there is solidly no reason to endanger people's lives in the age of excellent CGI or propsmastery. e: and teach your loving actors how to pretend to shoot a gun, for christsakes
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Oct 22, 2021 20:42
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Productions use real guns because it's cheaper
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Oct 22, 2021 20:49
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Apparently the crew walked out right before the shooting, via reports that have news play. So that’s not good
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Scratch Monkey posted:Productions use real guns because it's cheaper A lot cheaper than a scab and a dead Director and Cinematographer? I guess, sure.
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There were troubles on-set before the shooting (thread) https://twitter.com/venice4change/status/1451472741664649217 The camera crew had walked off that very day because of, among other things, poor gun safety https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...impression=true There was a long angry post by an IATSE (below-the-line union) member about just why they don't need guns on set. https://twitter.com/t_NYC/status/1451341417092108292
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Mushika posted:I've posted it elsewhere and I'll post it here: Also, to add some more information about the whole event, I learned the entire camera department walked off the show before it all went horribly wrong. The reasons were plentiful, unsafe work conditions (explicitly citing bad gun safety and lack of safety meetings before things like stunts or weapon fire) were among the top ones but there was a lot of other stuff too that led to this decision. Bear in mind this was just the majority of the camera department that walked (except for the B-camera operator apparently), not sure if anyone else on the crew walked. There had been misfires before with the prop guns too. Also note that when they speak of a "live" round on a film set, they're not neccesarily talking about a bullet. A blank in the weapon is also seen as a live round. Don't really know where else to post this so here you go. edit: well beaten with links, but I'll leave the post
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I've never used a proper modern blank but I worked using black powder weapons as a kid, with a bunch of other college kids, and we managed to not muzzle sweep people. An accidental shot still sends flaming hot smoke at someone's face that prolly won't kill you but is absolutely not a good time. This sounds like a cartoonish breach of basic safety.
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Oct 22, 2021 21:10
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Steadiman, did you used to have a blog, or did I just read a thread of yours? I remember it being really entertaining and informative.
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Apologies for double-post. There is always more, and it's always worse. There was a live round in the gun. https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7021908652202265862
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Apologies for double-post. There is always more, and it's always worse. There was a live round in the gun. Was it like an actual live round "live round" or what Steadiman was saying in their post above where blanks are also considered live rounds?
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I don't know for poo poo, but the LA Times posted an article saying "live round" can refer to blank cartridges. Basically anything with gun powder in it that makes a large bang.
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Well, in the very short video just posted, the dude up there says that it was a real bullet that went through the plexiglass plate that was in place to protect the crew from the hot gasses and wadding that would have come from discharging a blank cartridge. If the dude is not just some rando, sounds like it was a massive fuckup.
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There was a tweet (now deleted) saying that the guy in charge of guns had actually shot himself in the foot the day before. And no, he was not an armorer. e: The guy in the TikTok is Michael Corrie, an amateur prop-maker and collector who went pro as a prop builder. He might have the connections to have on-set knowledge, it could be random person-to-person gossip, which I'm sure is flying. Arsenic Lupin has a new favorite as of 23:27 on Oct 22, 2021 |
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That guy in the video says it was a "full power" live round that "somehow made it on set" and penetrated through protective plexiglass. I don't think wadding from a blank would be likely to do that. But also this is some dude that wasn't there making a video so who knows. What a loving poo poo show. I work in a construction related field and that is also an industry filled with dangerous equipment and brutally long work days and what a shock, people get hurt and killed all the goddamned time. Long work hours just need to be completely banned. There is very little in this world that is so important that it requires more than 8 hours of labor a day and making movies is about the lowest thing on that list
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You should see what's going on over in Qatar then. Last I heard something like 5.5k people died over the last few years doing construction for the world cup.
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One piece of good news: https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/1451552512062930945 It's unblocked. 
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Involuntary Manslaughter at best, yeah. But watch nobody get charged. However, it all depends on how the DA chooses to proceed, which is probably pleading out after which Baldwin settles out of court in the inevitable and goddamn well-earned civil suit Of course, this all depends on which of any number of scenarios actually played out. Of course I could be extremely wrong. IANAL and also I am not a lawyer.
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I mean until someone proves he did something that led to that gun being unsafe, good? I don't know why we're already getting upset he's not in solitary when it could've been 8 other assholes' faults. Like I certainly don't have to or want to hand it to him but it sounds like he was also complaining about on set conditions
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From Masterclass.com Monitor prop use for safety. Once all the props are ready to be on set, the props master supervises all prop use to make sure props aren’t broken. This includes making sure actors are using the hand props (any props handled by actors) safely, and that set props (props that are part of the set) hold up during takes. This even includes handling any firearms or testing any fake drugs that will be used in the production, to make sure they won’t harm the actors. This lines up with what I've heard from other people about the film. The prop master is the final authority on safety WRT handling props in film. Not a lawyer but I can easily see them being charged rather than Baldwin.
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