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It actually looks like there may be a few other producers involved as well but he seems to be credited as an EP. it's a little murky.
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Ahhh yeah - I'm reading into it now too- that could be he just gave some money and they gave him the title but he's not touched any serious producer work. So he could be a 'producer' as in just some guy who gave them money and connections and hopped on board as talent, or he could've gotten down in the nitty-gritty and been involved in the actual organizing of the shoot. The latter is the real damning thing, how much did he know vs not, etc. How involved was he in the bad decision-making that caused this? That's my question. He's still got some responsibility as someone who is funding and making this thing go tho, for sure.
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Oct 22, 2021 23:25
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punishedkissinger posted:Baldwin was one of the producers that chose to use non-union labor and this resulted in him accidentally shooting someone yes but you left out the most important part, the exact type of firearm and ammunition used and the specs of his gaming pc
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Oct 22, 2021 23:32
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If I didn't know any better I would totally believe this is a 30 Rock episode plot.
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Oct 22, 2021 23:35
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Wonder if they had an EMT on location like they’re supposed to.
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Oct 22, 2021 23:36
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:Liz lemon: Jack, did you fire the union propmaster? Lmao
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Oct 22, 2021 23:40
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quote:Safety protocols standard in the industry, including gun inspections, were not strictly followed on the “Rust” set near Santa Fe, the sources said. They said at least one of the camera operators complained last weekend to production managers about gun safety on the set. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set
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Oct 22, 2021 23:41
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i feel like Baldwin could have prevented this
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Oct 22, 2021 23:47
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Baldwin, more like Hairedloss
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Oct 22, 2021 23:50
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Slugworth posted:Nope, this is not the case. The simple truth is that a small, momentary flash of flame is impossible to reproduce with CGI. Maybe 20 years from now, but until then, I'm just not gonna be able to enjoy a movie unless people on set were shot at. https://twitter.com/ndsinnott/status/1451409979139837964?s=21 https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1451438949440892928?s=21 quote:Films are to serve a single purpose, which is to convince me, the gun afficianado, that they have painstakingly detailed the firing of a gun to a sufficient degree. This seems like it has to be a joke and I’m too old and out of touch to get it
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Oct 22, 2021 23:56
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Snowy posted:This seems like it has to be a joke and I’m too old and out of touch to get it It is definitely not a joke and is exactly the way I feel about film as well. If the muzzle flash isn't real I might as well just read the book.
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Oct 22, 2021 23:58
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911 call has been released.quote:2:19 PM PT -- We've obtained an extended version of the 911 call, and it's very clear to hear the caller was upset with another member on the crew, saying they were supposed to check the guns, and placing the blame on them. https://www.tmz.com/2021/10/22/alec-baldwin-gun-accident-911-call-we-need-help-immediately/
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Oct 23, 2021 00:01
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StrangersInTheNight posted:i am willing to bet the folks complaining about CGI vs practical muzzle flashes can only tell the difference in egregious circumstances, and the majority of CGI muzzle flashes don't even register to you or in fact may even look more passable even if it's exaggerated bc movies aren't real life and people have certain expectations of how movie guns look that differ from reality, same as how how guns needs to make large BCHAOOWWW BANG BANG BLOOW noises to be considered 'real' guns in movies even tho we all knows guns IRL just make lil' pop-pop noises at best Nah, Heat owns because all the sound from the big setpiece scene was the audio from the shoot, which they decided not to record over in post because it sounded awesome as hell as is while also looking kickass. It woulda sucked if it was done with CGI.
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Oct 23, 2021 00:17
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Ahhh yeah - I'm reading into it now too- that could be he just gave some money and they gave him the title but he's not touched any serious producer work. So he could be a 'producer' as in just some guy who gave them money and connections and hopped on board as talent, or he could've gotten down in the nitty-gritty and been involved in the actual organizing of the shoot. The latter is the real damning thing, how much did he know vs not, etc. How involved was he in the bad decision-making that caused this? That's my question. He's still got some responsibility as someone who is funding and making this thing go tho, for sure. He was the only recognizable name within a 100 miles of this thing. I've gotta think he enough pull to insist that basic safety protocols be followed and that union labor be used and not treated like poo poo.
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Oct 23, 2021 00:22
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punishedkissinger posted:It actually looks like there may be a few other producers involved as well but he seems to be credited as an EP. it's a little murky. thank you for posting the list of suspects, now the real sleuthing can begin!
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Oct 23, 2021 00:25
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i Like alex binderwinkle i am sorry alecs I mean this must be pretty rough, kidding aside. Let me shoot this fake gun a bit WHAT THE gently caress (people arguing about producer titles are wasting time and posts that could be other poo poo posts -- its a fuckn gesture. I own the studio & my 19 yr old wife is a executive producer whats up)
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Oct 23, 2021 00:30
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I bet he was trying to illustrate some point about over-reaction re gun safety in an argument when he fired the gun. GIMME THAT THING. *BLAM*. *BLAM*
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Oct 23, 2021 00:33
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if it turns out thaat the only reason the DP got shot is because they were scabbing on the camera operator...
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Oct 23, 2021 00:35
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"Alright you 3 get together we're gonna have a rigging contest. 1st prize is a Cadillac El Dorado. 2nd is this set of kitchen knives." Crew: "Uhhhh... what's 3rd prize?" *cocks gun*
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Oct 23, 2021 00:35
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At least two shows so far, including Westworld, have announced to their crews they will stop using blanks/firing guns on set effective immediately. Sorry to the people who unironically would rather a crew member die than see a digital muzzle flash but I'm hoping more shows follow. Then at least some good can come out of this whole poo poo show
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Oct 23, 2021 00:36
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Steadiman posted:At least two shows so far, including Westworld, have announced to their crews they will stop using blanks/firing guns on set effective immediately. Sorry to the people who unironically would rather a crew member die than see a digital muzzle flash but I'm hoping more shows follow. Then at least some good can come out of this whole poo poo show I don't think anyone who says CGI looks bad is saying that yes they want people to die on set.
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Oct 23, 2021 00:40
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actual pyrotechnics are dangerous on every set and corners should never be allowed to be cut when working with them. the issue here seems to be the lack of regulation, oversight, and trained union workers.
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Oct 23, 2021 00:41
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alec baldwin to be inducted into the pinkerton hall of fame
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Oct 23, 2021 00:43
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punishedkissinger posted:actual pyrotechnics are dangerous on every set and corners should never be allowed to be cut when working with them. the issue here seems to be the lack of regulation, oversight, and trained union workers. Practical effects and stuntwork are from a less civilized era in film history, everything must be done in front of a greenscreen from here on out.
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Oct 23, 2021 00:45
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Coxswain Balls posted:Nah, Heat owns because all the sound from the big setpiece scene was the audio from the shoot, which they decided not to record over in post because it sounded awesome as hell as is while also looking kickass. It woulda sucked if it was done with CGI.
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So in addition to the gun having malfunctioned on 3 prior occasions, Baldwin was given the gun by an assistant director and not a prop master or other safety person.quote:SANTA FE, N.M. -- Alec Baldwin was handed a loaded weapon by an assistant director who indicated it was safe to use in the moments before the actor fatally shot a cinematographer, court records released Friday show. https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/sheriff-baldwin-fired-prop-gun-movie-set-killing-80723960
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Oct 23, 2021 00:50
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punishedkissinger posted:It actually looks like there may be a few other producers involved as well but he seems to be credited as an EP. it's a little murky. This part seems incriminating to me 
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Oct 23, 2021 00:52
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do you think he will reflect on this and like, get super down with union solidarity?
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Oct 23, 2021 00:54
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i mean hes shooting scabs
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Oct 23, 2021 01:05
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Schweinhund posted:This part seems incriminating to me Lol
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Oct 23, 2021 01:07
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Do we know that the people responsible for the gun were just hired and non-union? Everything I've seen only says that union camera operators walked but they wouldn't have anything to do with that.
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Oct 23, 2021 01:07
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A Bakers Cousin posted:i mean hes shooting scabs isn't he kind of a scab by working on the production that is being picketed it's scabs killing scabs out here Rahu posted:Do we know that the people responsible for the gun were just hired and non-union? Everything I've seen only says that union camera operators walked but they wouldn't have anything to do with that. pretty much all of the anonymous sourced stuff on twitter says so but i guess it's not really credibly confirmed Schweinhund posted:This part seems incriminating to me 
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Oct 23, 2021 01:08
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Why was the prop gun loaded with live rounds? Who did that? Sounds like a murder mystery plot even though it’s probably is just breathtaking stupidity
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Oct 23, 2021 01:09
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Why was the prop gun loaded with live rounds? Who did that? Sounds like a murder mystery plot even though it’s probably is just breathtaking stupidity someone was saying the armourer literally took it out shooting over lunch and forgot to clear it.
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Oct 23, 2021 01:11
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punishedkissinger posted:someone was saying the armourer literally took it out shooting over lunch and forgot to clear it. ngl aside from the scabbing this sounds like a super fun set to work on
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Oct 23, 2021 01:12
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lol yeah thats pretty up there on probably bad ideas
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Oct 23, 2021 01:13
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the idea of owning a firearm and not meticulously clearing it constantly is insane to me.
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Oct 23, 2021 01:15
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Vengarr posted:Wonder if they had an EMT on location like they’re supposed to. Big grain of salt but I saw something somewhere saying that they did not have a field medic on site, which is part of the reason the union crew walked off set. Schweinhund posted:This part seems incriminating to me  gently caress 
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Oct 23, 2021 01:16
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"l guess i'll just half rear end loading these mg42s" -prop guy, Saving Private Ryan (convicted for 800 counts of manslaughter)
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Why was the prop gun loaded with live rounds? Who did that? Sounds like a murder mystery plot even though it’s probably is just breathtaking stupidity Union has claimed it had a live round, sheriff's office has said that hasn't been determined yet. We do know that there had been problems with the gun, which invites the question of why it wasn't replaced.
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