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grittyreboot posted:From Masterclass.com I nobly volunteer for this job, but only that part. 
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Read After Burning posted:I nobly volunteer for this job, but only that part. KEEP DRINKING URINE
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Douche Wolf 89 posted:I mean until someone proves he did something that led to that gun being unsafe, good? I don't know why we're already getting upset he's not in solitary when it could've been 8 other assholes' faults. Yeah apparently he was told it was a cold gun. But on the other hand he picked up the gun, didn't personally verify that it was safe, and then deliberately pointed it at people and pulled the trigger. As a joke, maybe? Like it didn't just go off because he dropped it, he deliberately aimed and pulled the trigger. It is definitely not ALL his fault but it sounds like he contributed. I am not a gun enthusiast but even I know you don't randomly point guns at people. You shouldn't point toy guns at people. You shouldn't point tiny crossbows that shoot toothpicks at people. And this was apparently a real gun, not a plastic replica. A big heavy chunk of metal. A grown rear end man should know better than to aim a real gun at people even as a joke. Obviously someone else hosed up real bad because there should never have been real bullets anywhere near the prop guns. Was someone playing with them? Practicing shooting with real bullets? What the heck. Someone called out "cold gun" without actually checking that the gun was empty? Plenty of negligence to go around.
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I'm not sure where you're getting the impression that he fired the gun as a joke, the articles IMO made it sound like he was firing the gun as directed to in the scene.
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I really think the pointing at people as a joke isn't true. One website briefly reported it and took it down. I don't want to absolve Baldwin because multiple news sites are reporting this happened a day after crew walked out over safety concerns, but I also don't want to accuse him of poo poo that he didn't do.
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Powered Descent posted:One piece of good news: 
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christmas boots posted:I'm not sure where you're getting the impression that he fired the gun as a joke, the articles IMO made it sound like he was firing the gun as directed to in the scene. It was on the previous page of this thread. And social media: https://twitter.com/NewElitism/status/1451517023322787840 But reuters said it probably didn't happen: https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...t-idUSL1N2RI222
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Facebook Aunt posted:Yeah apparently he was told it was a cold gun. But on the other hand he picked up the gun, didn't personally verify that it was safe, and then deliberately pointed it at people and pulled the trigger. As a joke, maybe? Like it didn't just go off because he dropped it, he deliberately aimed and pulled the trigger. It is definitely not ALL his fault but it sounds like he contributed. It would seem to me that the gold standard case for "fix it in post" would be "shot requires actor to point gun at camera people", but money... e: Do NOT trust the Daily Mail on matters of fact. They will print (and sometimes create) the lurid version every drat time. ee: That typeface on the supposed Daily Mail screencap is very hinky.
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you mean 'WokeismIsTheNewElitism' posting a random chunk of text isn't a good source???
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sexpig by night posted:you mean 'WokeismIsTheNewElitism' posting a random chunk of text isn't a good source??? I know right? I was baffled too!
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But in less of a lovely tone I honestly wouldn't be SHOCKED if Baldwin was being an rear end in a top hat and caused it, and it sounds like in the grand scheme of things he as one of the producers not fighting against using a scab to replace one of the people who walked over unsafe conditions means he probably deserves some level of blame, but I'd think if he really was straight up waving the gun around and actively 'shooting' it at people there'd be more solid reporting of that than just some random chuds clearly thinking this is some kind of own.
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The Daily Mail is about half a rung above the Daily Stormer in terms of reliability and several rungs under public bathroom graffiti.
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If anything, if someone modifies the text on a daily mail screenshot it has a better than even chance of increasing its factual accuracy.
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I was an extra cast as a cop on a TV show many years back. They had a heavy, rubber "gun" that a prop guy put into the holster on the belt they had me wear as part of the costume. There was a full lecture about never unclipping it and never, ever taking it out of the holster. It was just one sold (and heavy) piece of rubber with no moving parts, but they still maintained that if it came out of the holster, you'd be walked off set and let go. That feels like a much more reasonable way to handle guns on set, whether they're dummy props or mechanical. They should always be treated as if they're real, live firearms that could kill someone. The fact that this was even able to happen suggests massive safety issues on the set, and combined with the complaints from crew in the days leading up to this, someone needs to be held accountable.
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Otana posted:I was an extra cast as a cop on a TV show many years back. They had a heavy, rubber "gun" that a prop guy put into the holster on the belt they had me wear as part of the costume. There was a full lecture about never unclipping it and never, ever taking it out of the holster. It was just one sold (and heavy) piece of rubber with no moving parts, but they still maintained that if it came out of the holster, you'd be walked off set and let go. Yeah, but you were just an extra. You can't expect important people to be held to the same sensible rules as you
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Coolness Averted posted:Yeah, but you were just an extra. You can't expect important people to be held to the same sensible rules as you Unfortunately and depressingly true.
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What bothers me is why there would be live ammo on set in the first place? The only (still idiotic) reason I can think of is to show 'real' bullets in a scene, maybe being loaded, etc - on camera in some way. This of course begs the question: why not inert rounds? There's zero reason that actual live ammo should be involved at all on a film set like this.
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I read somewhere in all of this Discourse™ that "live ammo" on a movie or TV set can refer to blanks that can go boom, as opposed to just inert dummy rounds.
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DarkDobe posted:This of course begs the question: why not inert rounds? There's zero reason that actual live ammo should be involved at all on a film set like this. On a well-managed film set, the only reason there should be a live-in-the-normal-sense round in a prop pistol is that Agent 47 is impersonating the propmaster.
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you should be more worried about over-sized mechanical fans, in that case
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Plus sounds 99% of the time, the prop gun is not able to fire bullets whatsoever. Blanks, yes. Actual projectiles? Nope. The industry came down hard on that after Brandon Lee. Most of the time it's a gun that's either been modded for blanks (for example the colt from supernatural), or is a built from the ground up prop in the sense you buy or rent one and it's been specifically made to just shoot blanks. I'm talking about just blank firing, not airsoft. Sometimes as much as the barrel being partially or completely plugged. As far as I know even finding blanks that fit real unmodded guns is hard to do. I dunno what the gently caress up was, but it was a doozy.
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Just paint up those fake rounds that exist for training (you have someone slip one in the magazine/cylinder and when you go "click" instead of "boom" it shows how you're reacting) this isn't difficult
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I thought it was a bullet lodged further into the barrel somehow, that then got propelled out by a blank. Or something like that.
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They wanted it to be a good view of the revolver in the scene where he catches Funboy in bed with Darla, but they didn't want "real" bullets on set. So they took the regular ammo, pulled the bullets, dumped the powder and re-seated the bullets so the gun would look the part when viewed from the front. At some point in time, the gun was fired with this configuration, which meant that the primer went off, providing just enough pressure to put a projectile in the barrel. Then, for another scene, they loaded the same gun with blanks, which are a case with powder and no projectile, but because there was a projectile in the barrel already, the powder in the blank was enough to put the bullet into Brandon Lee's spine 
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this is a good tweet actually
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:lol murrica texas
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https://twitter.com/rldersystem/status/1451637862294753280?s=21
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When you definitely know what you're mad about
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Atwood doubled down. https://twitter.com/MargaretAtwood/status/1451907253037060107?s=20
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Atwood doubled down. Suffragettes? Who were they, then?
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Her timeline is probs gonna be 100% terf and nothing else from now on
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"Toxic Activism" is a pretty stupid idea but a good name for a punk band.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Atwood doubled down.  k, that's because you are a bootlicker, because we mostly call them a pick-me these days. Wonder what her fuckin problem is tho 
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DarkDobe posted:What bothers me is why there would be live ammo on set in the first place? I keep thinking “now this is real acid so I want to see goggles, people!”
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Ah yes the problem with activism is it's too "in your face". We need quiet, out of the way, modest activism that understands it takes many years of patience and slow mutual understanding to make progress, while you and your loved ones are harassed, murdered, and oppressed daily. Activism that's "in your face" just needs to stop! I definitely understand what activism is and what its goals are.
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Here's the article. It was written by a trans woman. I am making no statement by posting it. I will say I think this particular issue requires nuance and the internet is not at all made for that quote:
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Here's the article. It was written by a trans woman. I am making no statement by posting it.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Here's the article. It was written by a trans woman. I am making no statement by posting it. it's just laundered terf poo poo from a transmedicalist
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