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Quiet Feet posted:Thats fair. *holsters forks* 
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Quiet Feet posted:People best be not talking poo poo about forklift drivers in here. 
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Fangio is done, he's definitely getting fired by the end of the year. Whether or not he's done by midseason probably depends if the Broncos can even beat the WFT next week.
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yeah buckle up buttercup cuz you roll with me and you bound to get offended by all my rude and lewd forklift driver jokes did you know you need a special license to operate a forklift? its why i can only eat with spoons
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Oct 22, 2021 19:21
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Quiet Feet posted:People best be not talking poo poo about forklift drivers in here. MAKE WAY FOR THE ROBOTS 
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Oct 22, 2021 19:34
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DariusLikewise posted:Fangio is done, he's definitely getting fired by the end of the year. Whether or not he's done by midseason probably depends if the Broncos can even beat the WFT next week. Who is the interim? Shurmur???
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Oct 22, 2021 20:01
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Woozie66 posted:Who is the interim? Shurmur??? I would not fire Vic Fangio midseason unless there was some sort of misconduct. He isn't hurting anything by lasting out the season. I'm not saying the Broncos front office won't do that, but they're stupid and have a proven record of stupidity to prove it.
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Oct 22, 2021 20:57
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sweet geek swag posted:I would not fire Vic Fangio midseason unless there was some sort of misconduct. He isn't hurting anything by lasting out the season. I'm not saying the Broncos front office won't do that, but they're stupid and have a proven record of stupidity to prove it. Yeah he's a dead man walking in all likelihood but normal bad to me. If you want to get out in front of the coaching search in December I guess go ahead and fire him. Or if you think the Raiders are targeting whoever you want fire him now, but...I'd let the Raiders Raider personally. Other than that let him finish out the year and shoo him away. I mean you're passing up a small chance at a wild card playoff appearance I guess, but I just don't think the Broncos are a very good team even if they didn't have half of the defense hurt.
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Magicpants posted:yeah buckle up buttercup cuz you roll with me and you bound to get offended by all my rude and lewd forklift driver jokes 
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Oct 22, 2021 22:03
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Grittybeard posted:Yeah he's a dead man walking in all likelihood but normal bad to me. If you want to get out in front of the coaching search in December I guess go ahead and fire him. Or if you think the Raiders are targeting whoever you want fire him now, but...I'd let the Raiders Raider personally. Other than that let him finish out the year and shoo him away. Once you’re ready to fire the guy you should fire him. What’s the point in keeping him around and giving him a chance to win just enough to save his job for long enough to gently caress up next year too?
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Oct 23, 2021 00:22
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Once you’re ready to fire the guy you should fire him. What’s the point in keeping him around and giving him a chance to win just enough to save his job for long enough to gently caress up next year too? The best example I can think of is Dan Quinn, who went in to the bye with only like one win and then rallied to finish 7-9 in 2019 and then stayed around for 2020 only to get fired after a month.
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really queer Christmas posted:The best example I can think of is Dan Quinn, who went in to the bye with only like one win and then rallied to finish 7-9 in 2019 and then stayed around for 2020 only to get fired after a month. Exactly the example I had in mind and I remember arguing for firing him at the bye and people said “what’s the point, let him finish out the season.”
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Exactly the example I had in mind and I remember arguing for firing him at the bye and people said “what’s the point, let him finish out the season.” Yeah but what if Shurmur does that as interim coach, that’s even worse! wyoak fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Oct 23, 2021 |
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Exactly the example I had in mind and I remember arguing for firing him at the bye and people said “what’s the point, let him finish out the season.” I mean you should make up your mind that he is gone after the season right now of course. What if Pat Shurmur goes on an unlikely winning streak? That's dangerous territory too. efb
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Grittybeard posted:I mean you should make up your mind that he is gone after the season right now of course. Nothing ever works this way. Guys don’t get fired when they end the season on a long win streak because owners and management get fooled into thinking a corner has been turned. Players advocate for the guy because they’re feeling good about winning and feel like their positions on the team are stable. The media loves a redemption story so he gets favorable coverage. It’s a lot harder to stick to the convictions you had 3 months previously when things were going very differently. And once management has decided a guy is gone their interests and his interests are not necessarily aligned. He’s desperate to save his job, while the front office might be more interested in evaluating players and making trades to stock up on draft capital. An interim is a perfect caretaker because they are pliable and nobody has any expectations that they will get the full time job. No matter how well they do you can still do a coaching search at the end of the year and treat them like any other candidate.
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I'll get more into this in my next rankings update (coming soon!) but Fangio doesn't strike me as a midseason fire candidate at all. He's very respected around the league, and at his age this is probably his only shot at the big chair, so if nothing else they might give him the dignity of finishing out the season. Everybody wanted it to work out and it really hasn't, but I don't see a reason to just yeet him out now.
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Oct 23, 2021 12:05
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Denver's won games and doesn't have a real quarterback, those both don't seem like things that necessitate an emergency situation like a mid-season firing.
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They have a new GM and he’ll probably want his own guy but I’d expect him to give him the full year to evaluate. I’d be pretty surprised if Fangio was back next year though. It’s a similar situation to Bowles. Excellent defensive coordinator that was merely decent as an in game head coach and was significantly hampered by not having a QB.
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I think the Raiders are in a fun situation where they have a QB and some young talent and just happen to need a head coach that doesn't slur. You have to wonder is this a situation where you go and get some young offensive HC or maybe it's a situation that's good enough to coax like a Marvin Lewis to come out (but pls no Hue Jackson)
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Blitz of 404 Error posted:I think the Raiders are in a fun situation where they have a QB and some young talent and just happen to need a head coach that doesn't slur. You have to wonder is this a situation where you go and get some young offensive HC or maybe it's a situation that's good enough to coax like a Marvin Lewis to come out (but pls no Hue Jackson) Given how successful Harbs has been in Baltimore, I’m surprised teams don’t hire ST coaches for HC jobs more often.
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Oct 23, 2021 18:10
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Blitz of 404 Error posted:I think the Raiders are in a fun situation where they have a QB and some young talent and just happen to need a head coach that doesn't slur. You have to wonder is this a situation where you go and get some young offensive HC or maybe it's a situation that's good enough to coax like a Marvin Lewis to come out (but pls no Hue Jackson) Sounds like a team is ready for the Joe Brady experience. Go ahead and get rid of your tight ends now.
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Oct 23, 2021 18:52
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Didn't hue Jackson specifically sell the farm to get Carson freaking palmer when Al died
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And tried to do it in Cleveland for Aj McCarron
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Once you’re ready to fire the guy you should fire him. What’s the point in keeping him around and giving him a chance to win just enough to save his job for long enough to gently caress up next year too? lol Adam Gase. Christopher Johnson was caught on camera saying the "Team better show up" before playing the Jags in 2019, which the 1-6 Jets did not show up at all. The following week they lost to the winless Dolphins, which is when he should have been fired. Instead the team went on to win 6 of 8 against a stretch of terrible opponents. Then it was all about how Gase had turned it around, figured it out and the team was going places. Then they went 2-14 and fired him anyway.
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Lance of Llanwyln posted:Hell, it’s a great chance for Bisaccia. I can’t see them passing him up if the team makes the playoffs, which still seems like a realistic proposition(though by no means certain). I think if the Raiders miss playoffs then Mayock is going to bring in a whole new staff If the Raiders make playoffs then Bisaccia is given a fair shake in the interview process If the Raiders get a playoff win I think they announce Bisaccia as new HC
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A big flaming stink posted:Didn't hue Jackson specifically sell the farm to get Carson freaking palmer when Al died a first and a second, which if they didn't immediately ship him off to arizona for peanuts was probably a fair enough deal considering he played for 7 years after the trade to the raiders.
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Benne posted:I'll get more into this in my next rankings update (coming soon!) but Fangio doesn't strike me as a midseason fire candidate at all. He's very respected around the league, and at his age this is probably his only shot at the big chair, so if nothing else they might give him the dignity of finishing out the season. Everybody wanted it to work out and it really hasn't, but I don't see a reason to just yeet him out now. The Broncos look pretty listless right. They got beat by the Browns backup QB and third string RB. Their defense has had injuries but not being able to get the ball back with 5 minutes left and all three timeouts is pretty pathetic. I don't think Fangio is going right away but I definitely think if he doesn't win any of their next three games before their bye week Elway will pull the plug.
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Settling for your interim coach always works, just ask Freddie Kitchens and Mike Singletary
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Oct 23, 2021 20:47
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Benne posted:Settling for your interim coach always works, just ask Freddie Kitchens and Mike Singletary Now I'm curious. Has it ever worked?
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Oct 23, 2021 20:52
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The two most successful interim coaches ever are Marv Levy and Jeff Fisher
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BlindSite posted:Now I'm curious. Has it ever worked? Don Coryell and Marv Levy come to mind Edit: Coryell had previous experience though, dunno if you only wanted 1st-time HCs that went interim => re-hired
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Blitz of 404 Error posted:I think the Raiders are in a fun situation where they have a QB and some young talent and just happen to need a head coach that doesn't slur. You have to wonder is this a situation where you go and get some young offensive HC or maybe it's a situation that's good enough to coax like a Marvin Lewis to come out (but pls no Hue Jackson) I'd be shocked if they didn't hire Bieniemy for all the obvious reasons
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Benne posted:Settling for your interim coach always works, just ask Freddie Kitchens and Mike Singletary Chiefs and Romeo Crennell
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Benne posted:Settling for your interim coach always works, just ask Freddie Kitchens and Mike Singletary Um actually! The Browns interim HC was Gregggggggg
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Seahawks subreddit was calling for Ken Norton to be fired in favor of gregggg lol. Seahawks fans are dumb as hell.
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BlindSite posted:Now I'm curious. Has it ever worked? Ed Orgeron
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BlindSite posted:Now I'm curious. Has it ever worked? Doing some research, Marv Levy is probably the most successful example, but unlike most he was hired as an interim coach from outside the existing Bills organization.
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a neat cape posted:Ed Orgeron Well, for one really good year anyway.
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oldskool posted:I'd be shocked if they didn't hire Bieniemy for all the obvious reasons Someone with his history is a no go for the Raiders.
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MrLogan posted:Someone with his history is a no go for the Raiders. *still employs Tom Cable*
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