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Baldwin didn't gently caress up by hitting his mark and following his stage directions. he hosed up by staying on after a huge portion of the crew walked out due to a series of serious firearms safety violations.
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Warbadger posted:It also seems reckless to have him pointing it directly at a camera with crew standing in his line of fire during a shoot where he not just points, but fires the gun. You don't need to do that, and even shooting blanks with a lovely plexiglass barrier in front of them introduces the potential to injure/kill somebody if something unexpected happens. Use a proper barrier or angle things slightly and keep the people out of the line of fire. Having actual guns on the set seems to have been the least of the problems really. If everything I'm reading is true, a competent armorer would've walked off the set probably on day 1, taking the guns with them.
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Oct 24, 2021 14:37
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uXs posted:Having actual guns on the set seems to have been the least of the problems really. If everything I'm reading is true, a competent armorer would've walked off the set probably on day 1, taking the guns with them. imagine this production was working with any kind of pyrotechnics or explosives
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Oct 24, 2021 14:38
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Alec Baldwin brought his own real guns onto the set and is the first actor in movie history to have pointed them at either another actor, camera, or set person, ever, and it was because this woman was his secret girlfriend and she was kissing another dude and he saw her kissing the other dude and was going to frame them for OSHA violations but knew it wouldn't work it's all very clear I'm an expert on what happened.
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Oct 24, 2021 14:42
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punishedkissinger posted:imagine this production was working with any kind of pyrotechnics or explosives Bonanza Creek Crater. Population 0.
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Oct 24, 2021 14:45
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I heard that Alex Baldwin threatened to shoot the both of them.
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Oct 24, 2021 14:46
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Was she acting in this? Like why was he pointing it at her in the first place? shooting the videographer at the end of the production is a long-running hollywood tradition
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Oct 24, 2021 14:47
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Alec Baldwin was also the supervisor responsible for enforcing the rules which he also failed to do.
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Oct 24, 2021 14:48
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Alec Baldwin was also the supervisor responsible for enforcing the rules which he also failed to do. you finally made a salient point!
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Oct 24, 2021 14:49
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Mr Baldwin was also the management which was responsible for providing the training and resources and setting the rules which he also failed to do. Sorry Baldwin Bros. Boy is guilty as gently caress. Triple guilty.
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Oct 24, 2021 14:50
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Half the crew walks out due to safety concerns after a series of near-death incidents with firearms. "well, i'm just a financial backer and star of this film, this is clearly not my concern in any way"
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Oct 24, 2021 14:52
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Mr Baldwin was also the management which was responsible for providing the training and resources and setting the rules which he also failed to do. alec baldwin was supposed to train the armorer?
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Oct 24, 2021 14:53
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I submit that his role as Boss Baby clearly demonstrates he was trained in being both a Boss and also making GBS threads his pants
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Oct 24, 2021 14:53
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Noblesse Obliged posted:I submit that his role as Boss Baby clearly demonstrates he was trained in being both a Boss and also making GBS threads his pants I concede this point easily
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Oct 24, 2021 14:54
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Big Beef City posted:alec baldwin was supposed to train the armorer? No. Because Alec Baldwin was not qualified to handle firearms but did anyway.
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Oct 24, 2021 14:55
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punishedkissinger posted:Baldwin didn't gently caress up by hitting his mark and following his stage directions. he hosed up by staying on after a huge portion of the crew walked out due to a series of serious safety violations. I don't think he was supposed to be hitting any marks. Or, hopefully, using a person as a mark when aiming a firearm. But yeah, He could have demanded a resolution to the gun related safety violations that just resulted in the union staff walking out. He's management here. He could have turned down the mystery gun handed to him by the wrong person in yet another clear safety violation. He had the authority to do that. He could have taken a few minutes and checked the gun himself as per basic gun safety rules. Granted he might be completely firearms illiterate, but... He could have demanded the gun actually be cleared by somebody more knowledgeable before shooting as the professional armorer indicated is common practice - with the barrel and ammunition checked in view of the crew so they wouldn't have to fear for their lives when the actors wave guns around while pretending to be cowboys. He could have aimed the gun at a *not person* near the camera as per basic gun safety. If that wasn't possible, he could have demanded the people move the gently caress out of the way or a proper barrier be used.
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Oct 24, 2021 15:00
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that isn't what 'hitting a mark' means when it comes to acting instructions
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Oct 24, 2021 15:04
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lots of people itt assuming they'd be insubordinate as gently caress in their work environment while they have been in situations where something totally horrific could happen but didn't
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Oct 24, 2021 15:07
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Big Beef City posted:that isn't what 'hitting a mark' means when it comes to acting instructions It did that day, in that scene. MrQwerty posted:lots of people itt assuming they'd be insubordinate as gently caress in their work environment while they have been in situations where something totally horrific could happen but didn't I mean the union walked out over less, so...
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Oct 24, 2021 15:09
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Warbadger posted:It did that day, in that scene. how many of you are in a union
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Oct 24, 2021 15:12
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MrQwerty posted:lots of people itt assuming they'd be insubordinate as gently caress in their work environment while they have been in situations where something totally horrific could happen but didn't if a large portion of my coworkers stormed off-site due to safety concerns after a series of near-death incidents I would at the very least consider leaving as well i feel like it would be even more likely if i was a multimillionaire A-list actor, producer and financial backer of the film.
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Oct 24, 2021 15:12
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punishedkissinger posted:if a large portion of my coworkers stormed off-site due to safety concerns after a series of near-death incidents I would at the very least consider leaving as well yeah, you'd think that, but how many of you are in a union
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Oct 24, 2021 15:13
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Forget OSHA. Let’s get to gun safety. I remember my first 5 minutes of my gun course where they clearly taught me “just trust us it’s safe. Go ahead and point it at anyone”
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Oct 24, 2021 15:14
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MrQwerty posted:yeah, you'd think that, but how many of you are in a union not currently but I helped unionize one of my previous workplaces when i was in a different industry. if you have a point you should just make it and not try and play these gotcha games
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Oct 24, 2021 15:15
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MrQwerty posted:how many of you are in a union Have you never told a manager to go gently caress themselves over safety concerns or even to cover your own rear end? Not even in a nice way?
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Oct 24, 2021 15:17
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I blame the union if they hadn’t walked off maybe they would have been there to keep this woman safe from Alex Baldwins murderous rage.
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Oct 24, 2021 15:20
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The most annoying part of this story is literally every comment section elsewhere online is filled with gun nut geniuses repeating the rules of gun safety and saying "never point a gun at something you don't intend to destroy" as if any of that poo poo applies in movies where people point guns at each other all the time.
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Oct 24, 2021 15:20
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wa27 posted:elsewhere Also here
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Oct 24, 2021 15:21
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wa27 posted:The most annoying part of this story is literally every comment section elsewhere online is filled with gun nut geniuses repeating the rules of gun safety and saying "never point a gun at something you don't intend to destroy" as if any of that poo poo applies in movies where people point guns at each other all the time. It always applies. And it sounds like movies generally follow the rule, either pointing the gun slightly off center to a safe barrier or using a proper barrier to shield people and equipment in the direction the gun will be firing. Also checking the ammunition, chamber, and barrel of the guns before firing them on set because people have been killed with both live ammunition and blanks during filming in the past. Because you might loving kill somebody if you don't follow basic safety rules. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Oct 24, 2021 15:22
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Warbadger posted:Have you never told a manager to go gently caress themselves over safety concerns or even to cover your own rear end? Not even in a nice way? Plenty of times, I went full Nick Nolte in Hotel Rwanda on the entire bullpen one morning when incoming supe had my "friend" and his crew ambush me getting out of a cleanroom 20 minutes after I was supposed to clock out over a misinterpretation of a santization procedure for a cytoxoic drug that was discussed for 3 hours and implemented at 5:45AM (I supposedly left at 6). I believe I grabbed my dick and balls through my scrubs and shook it at all of them looking like a wet dog on camera, actually. It took a year for someone to look at my resume after that place and I ended our relationship over safety concerns.
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Oct 24, 2021 15:25
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Warbadger posted:It always applies. And it sounds like movies generally follow the rule, either pointing the gun slightly off center to a safe barrier or using a proper barrier to shield people and equipment in the direction the gun will be firing. Also checking the ammunition, chamber, and barrel of the guns before firing them on set because people have been killed with both live ammunition and blanks during filming in the past. Almost every gun movie has a scene or two where someone puts a gun to some else's (or their own) temple.
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Oct 24, 2021 15:28
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wa27 posted:Almost every gun movie has a scene or two where someone puts a gun to some else's (or their own) temple. CGI
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Oct 24, 2021 15:29
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MrQwerty posted:Plenty of times, I went full Nick Nolte in Hotel Rwanda on the entire bullpen one morning when incoming supe had my "friend" and his crew ambush me getting out of a cleanroom 20 minutes after I was supposed to clock out over a misinterpretation of a santization procedure for a cytoxoic drug that was discussed for 3 hours and implemented at 5:45AM (I supposedly left at 6). I believe I grabbed my dick and balls through my scrubs and shook it at all of them looking like a wet dog on camera, actually. So why is it so hard to believe others might do the same? Do you think it would have may have gone better for you if you'd been a high level manager who they literally could not fire because doing so would make whatever project you were working on impossible to complete? wa27 posted:Almost every gun movie has a scene or two where someone puts a gun to some else's (or their own) temple. How many times do you suppose they fire the gun or have blanks loaded in those shots? Warbadger fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Oct 24, 2021 15:30
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wa27 posted:Almost every gun movie has a scene or two where someone puts a gun to some else's (or their own) temple. and those are almost always rubber guns
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Oct 24, 2021 15:30
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Warbadger posted:So why is it so hard to believe others might do the same? Do you think it would have may have gone better for you if you'd been a high level manager who they literally could not fire because you are also irreplaceable? poo poo rolls downhill until OSHA is involved. There was a cytotoxic drug spill at that plant created by an overpressure disconnecting the line from the pump manifold to the pressurized reservoir because the dude running the line insisted on keeping a manual valve open (a manual valve that was, in hindsight, the point of failure and had a change request to be automatically operated by an engineer thjat quit 3 years prior and the CR was dropped to the bottom of the pile). I had just come back from lunch and had taken over line operator, was talking to the dude running the line then there was a pop and everything in the RABS was wet. It took 15 minutes to get approval to start *plating people to leave the room* after multiple screaming fights over a phone about procedure, specifically that we don't do any of that. Everyone was informed if they didn't follow procedure they would be fired, fix the good drugs and then get out in an orderly fashion. Never heard poo poo from OSHA, so they pretended with the customer that the run was bad from compounding and never had to hand anyone video. 1) don't work for drug dealers; 2) if you're not in a union you can stand up for whatever you want, most of your coworkers aren't going to back you up because they have kids and poo poo MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Oct 24, 2021 15:36
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Forget OSHA. Let’s get to gun safety. I remember my first 5 minutes of my gun course where they clearly taught me “just trust us it’s safe. Go ahead and point it at anyone” If you read through this thread (and theres an actual set worker posting about in the Trump thread as well, with a few long write ups on this topic), you'll find that actors on a set are told specifically do NOT do anything with the gun. They are explicitly not supposed to be opening it to check or do various other things that you or I might with our own weapons to normally check for safety specifically because they might unintentionally cause (or perhaps intentionally, who knows) cause this sort of issue. Had he been seen doing this on any other reasonable set, he would have been marched right off it immediately given a what-for about it. He literally WASN'T supposed to do what you think he should have done here. Now, granted, that is under NORMAL set conditions where an actor is handed a firearm by the armorer, who should be properly trained, etc. But if he was acting under the assumption that 'ok this is what I've been taught, and I've been told, this is safe, then I shouldn't touch it other than to do my scene'... Big Beef City fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Oct 24, 2021 |
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Oct 24, 2021 15:36
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I'm just... not going to have a take until the information is out. poo poo sure is hosed, though.
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Oct 24, 2021 15:38
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MrQwerty posted:2) if you're not in a union you can stand up for whatever you want, most of your coworkers aren't going to back you up because they have kids and poo poo Worth pointing out that Baldwin is a senior member of his own union. In fact he was named SAG Ambassador in 2012. https://sagaftra.foundation/2012/01/alec-baldwin-named-sag-foundation-ambassador/
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Oct 24, 2021 15:38
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punishedkissinger posted:Worth pointing out that Baldwin is a senior member of his own union. In fact he was named SAG Ambassador in 2012. everyone gets it, you want alec baldwin to go to jail
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Oct 24, 2021 15:41
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Big Beef City posted:If you read through this thread (and theres an actual set worker posting about in the Trump thread as well, with a few long write ups on this topic), you'll find that actors on a set are told specifically do NOT do anything with the gun. Hollywood running by its own rules in contravention to both workplace and gun safety is exactly why someone is dead right now.
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