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a pale ghost
Dec 31, 2008

How do I join the 4 beta?

e: signed up to be an insider

a pale ghost fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Sep 28, 2021

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NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
The technical stress test beta is already finished. Release is only a month away so I don't know if there will be another one.

a pale ghost
Dec 31, 2008

I hope 4 is good but I'm slightly annoyed at myself for just getting into this game just as it may be approaching obsolescence

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

drat that's a pretty harsh take on a game that's not even out yet

a pale ghost
Dec 31, 2008

Fallom posted:

drat that's a pretty harsh take on a game that's not even out yet

I'm not sure if you're kidding but I'm talking about AoE 2: DE maybe dying after 4 comes out

I suppose I'll improve my APM and macro/micro skills

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


They're still 2 different games with many differences in gameplay. I don't think AOE 2 is dying anytime soon. Plus, it absolutely passed the test of time.

Just have fun, don't stress too much about a game. Maybe I'm one of the few who enjoys singleplayer but maybe check out the campaigns as well, dunno

cheeseboy58
Dec 14, 2020

a pale ghost posted:

I hope 4 is good but I'm slightly annoyed at myself for just getting into this game just as it may be approaching obsolescence

Me too but who cares? Ppl gonna play any aoe regardless. Fursonnally im very much looking forward to 4

a pale ghost
Dec 31, 2008

I tried scout rush vs the standard AI and it was the first time I was able to beat it. The AI later spammed spearmen so I switched it up but drat did I mess with its economy

Do I have to do some matches in the lobby before I can do ranked?

Harveygod
Jan 4, 2014

YEEAAH HEH HEH HEEEHH

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN

THIS TRASH WAR AIN'T GONNA SOLVE ITSELF YA KNOW

a pale ghost posted:

I tried scout rush vs the standard AI and it was the first time I was able to beat it. The AI later spammed spearmen so I switched it up but drat did I mess with its economy

Do I have to do some matches in the lobby before I can do ranked?

You can go ranked at any time. It will take a few games before your Elo is accurate enough to place you with comparable opponents, so try to not get discouraged if you feel like you're just getting your face kicked in for the first 5 - 10 games or so.

Also click this for more goon AoE action, which there has been quite a lot of this month:
https://discord.gg/PesEJ85KFS

Edit with new, better link.

Harveygod fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Sep 29, 2021

a pale ghost
Dec 31, 2008

That link is expired, could you send a new one?

It wouldn't let me try solo ranked when I tried last time, I'll post a screenshot of my issue next time I log on. I'm at work atm

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014


a pale ghost posted:

I'm not sure if you're kidding but I'm talking about AoE 2: DE maybe dying after 4 comes out

I suppose I'll improve my APM and macro/micro skills

AoE 2 survived AoE 2, and it's 20 years old now. Doubt it's going to die imminently now.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

aniviron posted:

AoE 2 survived AoE 2

:hmmyes:

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
For those desperate for some AoE4 info, someone made a spreadsheet detailing all unit stats/costs/some hidden bonuses, just not marking certain things like unique techs such as china's +30 hp for palace guard or HRE MAA techs.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oIkBHSYGMyxx-yRL_cmhnx7nV_afCMSyjaXX0mL_4Kk/edit#gid=1309410362

Here are some thoughts:

Scouts have amazing HP for their cost in the feudal age, a frontline of cheap scouts to screen for archers or add to horsemen mass early would be very effective, especially since scouts double as a safe food economy booster when you bring back hunt to the TC.

Camel Riders are ONLY worth the price for fighting and chasing cavalry and will go down to almost everything else with only high HP and no armor.

The upgrades for the spearmen line are very important to get for the extra HP and anti cav, especially dark to feudal for a 33% damage boost against cavalry and better general purpose stats.

In feudal age a unupgraded spearman needs 9 hits to kill a horseman, a horseman needs 7 hits, 6 hits with +1, the spearman also attacks slower.

A veteran spearman needs 7 hits to kill a horseman, a horseman needs 10 hits, 9 with +1

+1 attack on the spearman doesn't change the outcome at all, +1 armor on the spearman is a much better upgrade for them and will let them take 1 or 2 more hits from horsemen.

Equal upgrades, archers in feudal do 2 damage to MAA, longbows do 3, you need just 40 equally upgraded longbowmen arrows to take down a MAA, 30 if you have +1 over them, a scout will take 19 longbow arrows and costs half the price of the man at arms making it a good early meatshield.

Knights and Handcannoneers do so much damage that armor is rather meaningless against them and a +1 or +2 probably won't cause them to need a extra hit to kill whatever it is they are fighting, focus on attack upgrades against them, especially against knights.

Light infantry really got it bad against any ranged presence on the battlefield, especially since they are likely to be the closest target to the archers, landsknecht are total glass cannons, emphasis on the glass.

Zhuge is only going to be doing 1x3 damage to a MAA or knight with equal upgrades and at shorter ranges then a archer.

Fire Lancers are slow for cavalry and less sturdy, very much a win the fight on the charge or don't win at all sort of unit in fights, good building damage though.

Crossbows are half the cost of handcannoneers, 2 crossbowmen will do about the same anti-heavy damage as 1 handcannoneer but will be population inefficient and less good against light cavalry.

Edit: posted the same thoughts on reddit and got this as a reply:

This is the info THEY don't want you to know!

Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Sep 30, 2021

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

LOL I hope someone gives that guy a swirly.

Thanks for the good info.

BIgDevine
Sep 24, 2018
For a moment then I beloved they was going to make an actual new aoe and for some reason I’d not seen any news about it. I’m a little sad that’s not the case.

That aside the ranked matches sound good but it’s been that long since I played my rank would probably be nuked after login

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


BIgDevine posted:

For a moment then I beloved they was going to make an actual new aoe and for some reason Id not seen any news about it. Im a little sad thats not the case.

That aside the ranked matches sound good but its been that long since I played my rank would probably be nuked after login

What

Keegers
Aug 11, 2014



BIgDevine posted:

For a moment then I beloved they was going to make an actual new aoe and for some reason I’d not seen any news about it. I’m a little sad that’s not the case.

That aside the ranked matches sound good but it’s been that long since I played my rank would probably be nuked after login

Ignore your rank and accept you will never be pro. Just hope for a populous online mode so you actually get even matches that are fun to play. I don't get why people hate on ranked mode, especially in 1v1 games. Getting stomped is not fun, having even matches is.

Harveygod
Jan 4, 2014

YEEAAH HEH HEH HEEEHH

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN

THIS TRASH WAR AIN'T GONNA SOLVE ITSELF YA KNOW

Keegers posted:

I don't get why people hate on ranked mode, especially in 1v1 games. Getting stomped is not fun, having even matches is.

Even if you're the one doing the stomping it's not that fun.

1v1 ranked is probably the best thing to ever happen to AoE2.

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
I mean AoE2 has always had ranked.

If you count sitting around in THE ZONE with your game room and waiting for someone to join near your elo and either starting or kicking them.

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

If you count sitting around in THE ZONE with your game room and waiting for someone to join near your elo and either starting or kicking them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umZ2NtnxEBU

BIgDevine
Sep 24, 2018
The real question is can you still get the cobra car and is it now in 4K?

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011


I feel old now.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
Heads up there is a new seasonal event going on so get to it if you're hunting rewards

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

This Hera vs. Liereyy game on Holy City :psyduck:

Vils rushing monks + siege

KOGAHAZAN!! fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Oct 10, 2021

Keegers
Aug 11, 2014



People seem really upset that pros and content creators got early access. Like do you really think a week of extra playing is what is going to make you lose out in the Genesis open bracket.... Even without the extra playtime these players would still crush the average open bracket player.

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



Anyone know if there's a wallpaper available for the Age2 Halloween event? I kinda like it.

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Keegers posted:

People seem really upset that pros and content creators got early access. Like do you really think a week of extra playing is what is going to make you lose out in the Genesis open bracket.... Even without the extra playtime these players would still crush the average open bracket player.

The game isn't fun to watch if every top 8 is just the same faces endlessly.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



I don't know or care who rts people are when I'm watching, generally what matters to me is an evolving Meta or interesting strats

Keegers
Aug 11, 2014



Love Stole the Day posted:

The game isn't fun to watch if every top 8 is just the same faces endlessly.

Sc1, sc2, aoe2 all have pretty much have the same faces at the top of every tournament now.

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

Keegers posted:

Sc1, sc2, aoe2 all have pretty much have the same faces at the top of every tournament now.

And it's not a coincidence that their tournaments have progressively sucked to watch as the ro8 became so consistent.

Maybe we really did want chat channels.

marshalljim
Mar 6, 2013

yospos
StarCraft 1 and Age of Empires 2: Consistently sucking and going downhill for 22 years and counting

Edit: Beaten by the cowardly edit

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you

marshalljim posted:

Edit: Beaten by the cowardly edit

Yeah it depends on where we put the goalposts and I didn't want to get baited into that nitpicky trash

Worf
Sep 12, 2017

If only Seth would love me like I love him!

i like to play games the wrong way and just build up defenses while not even being attacked because at the end of the day i refuse to believe im not in control of the game as if it were legos

optimally somebody would just assign my entire civilization to figure out the best way to deforest every map

or dig holes through mountains that sounds fun as well

pedro0930
Oct 15, 2012
Looks like the NDA is lifted. Most media gave a pretty favorable rating, praising the campaign, high production value and such. Saw some streamers playing as well.

Toast King
Jun 22, 2007

I've sunk so much time into AoE2 DE with a couple of friends over the last 2 years, I'm very excited for this game. Looks like it'll be a fun change of pace, plus if online is good it'll be nice playing with systems that people haven't spent 20 years optimising and mastering for everyone online.

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011
This is just from stress test experience and watching videos, but I think Rus and Abbasids might end up being top tier, I think any cavalry civ will be high tier just due to how incredibly flimsy spearmen are and Abbasids have that whole having specialized anti cavalry camels going for them, while Rus have great early defenses, early scouting, early hunt control and great late game ranged horse archers and gunpowder unique units.

I also think Longbow rushes will be what gatekeeps beginner players who don't know how to setup military production early, since 2 archery ranges on feudal can be game ending if it snipes villagers and starts a deathball.

BUT in the mid-tier england will fall off as they start to deal with people who actually know how to deal with it, but then at the high-tier england will start popping off when some micro-god shows how to abuse the Abbey of Kings by sending back every 1 HP unit to heal back to full until it becomes a crazy economic and military advantage.

These are my 3-days from release predictions.

Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Oct 26, 2021

Keegers
Aug 11, 2014



pedro0930 posted:

Looks like the NDA is lifted. Most media gave a pretty favorable rating, praising the campaign, high production value and such. Saw some streamers playing as well.

The campaign looks really fun, the docuseries style they went with is awesome and it feels like I'm playing a game straight out of when history channel was good.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
When did cheats off become the default for single player skirmishes? If you ever wanted to try a build before just cranking out cars you could. Now it's off by default and I don't know when it was

FrickenMoron
May 6, 2009

Good game!
Ever since T90 switched to facebook the streams have been pretty much dead compared to before, lost over 75% of his viewerbase. The money must have been really, really good.

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ssmagus
Apr 2, 2010
Assmagus, LPer ass-traordinaire
Quite a few of the big streamers did move to FB streaming after twitch changed subs from $5 US everywhere to $5 in your currency for subs. Due to twitch taking a fixed cut of that, the big streamers lost a bunch of money and Facebook buyouts are just more money than twitch subs now.

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