Coxswain Balls posted:

One of the things I like about the first two thirds of the original Law and Order is that they never actually shot their guns. It made the stories focus on detective work and courtroom stuff instead of police gunfights, which made things way more interesting. The few times any of the main cast fired a gun it was offscreen, and it would be a huge deal with like an investigation afterwards that spanned the entire episode.

Then in the later seasons they decided to build drama by getting into gunfights with perps instead of with decent writing. From what I hear in the more recent spinoffs people have huge bodycounts and it's treated as no big thing, which seems to track with how militarized police became increasingly common after 9/11.

withak posted:

I can't believe that we have let Alex Baldwin murder AGAIN.

LanceHunter posted:

So, before John Hamm hit it big on Mad Men, he was in this cop show on Lifetime called The Division. Apparently, it was so low budget that (despite being a cop show) over four full seasons and 80+ episode they never fired their guns. The show couldn't afford the cost of having an armorer or doing the gunfire effects, so they just never wrote any gunshots into the script. The cops would sometimes pull their guns on a perp, and I think once or twice they pistol-whipped someone, but that was it.

Telsa Cola posted:

Chatted with a friend who does film crew work and it is also standard practice to rig the camera for remote work or something like that when filming shots with the gun pointed at the camera so that looks like another huge gently caress up

GABA ghoul posted:

I'm pretty sure you can't just "rig the camera for remote" whenever you feel like it. Somebody has to keep turning the crank

Thundercracker posted:

It's 100% Alec Baldwin's fault. Before the shooting he was heard saying "There's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver bullet into a well greased chamber." And after ricocheting the bullet into the cinematographer he was heard again saying "It doesn't feel right to shoot an unarmed woman… but I'll get over it."

Icochet posted:

Just say bang with your mouth you idiots

ChunTheUnavoidable posted:

11:45 pm Cold Gun (1991) ★ ★ After being implicated in a deadly on-set accident, an aging actor uncovers a deeper conspiracy in this psychological thriller. Stars Alec Baldwin.

Alec Baldwin was "practicing a cross draw" when his weapon was fired, film director says posted:

Souza told them Baldwin was "sitting in a pew in a church building setting, and he was practicing a cross draw," the affidavit said. A cross draw is when a shooter pulls the weapon from a holster on the opposite side of the body from the draw hand.

Souza was looking over Hutchins' shoulder "when he heard what sounded like a whip and then loud pop," according to the affidavit.

Souza recalled Hutchins "complaining about her stomach and grabbing her midsection" after the shot was fired, the document said.

Investigators also talked with camera operator Reid Russell, who was standing next to Souza and Hutchins at the time of the incident, the affidavit said.

Russell recalled Hutchins "saying she couldn't feel her legs" and medics treating her as she was bleeding on the floor, investigators said.



According to the affidavit, Russell told investigators Baldwin was "trying to explain how he was going to draw out the firearm and where his arm would be at when the firearm was pulled from the holster."

Russell "was not sure why the firearm was discharged and just remembered the loud bang from the firearm," the affidavit says.

When asked how Baldwin handled the firearm, Russell told investigators the actor "had been very careful" and recalled an earlier instance when Baldwin "made sure it was safe and that a child wasn't near him when they were discharging a firearm during that scene."

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On Oct. 16, Baldwin's stunt double unintentionally fired rounds after he was told the gun was "cold," two of the crew members, who witnessed the discharges, told the newspaper.

punishedkissinger posted:

holy gently caress

they literally did the exact thing that cause this shooting MORE THAN ONCE WTF

Songbearer posted:

What was really crazy is how it seems that Alec initially missed, but he curved the bullets trajectory so it hit the poor bastard in the back of the head so Baldwin could be coated in what he called "Action Sauce"

punishedkissinger posted:

I wonder if it was the same AD who handed his stunt double the gun that misfired. They certainly seem to be the person getting thrown under the bus so far.

MrQwerty posted:

the person whose literal job it is to ensure set safety allowing all of this to go on is not being, "thrown under the bus."

MrQwerty posted:

just gonna keep using this gun that constantly misfires because I, a chuddy person that makes gun their personality, knows best

punishedkissinger posted:

obviously it's their fault. I just meant that there already are a TON of sources talking about what a dipshit the guy was, including talking about how he sexually harassed coworkers and stuff.

Mozi posted:

i heard that alec baldwin was walking around on set saying 'check out these guns' and flexing his big biceps

MrQwerty posted:

yeah he's a known quantity with the people I know that work sets here, and I've been hearing about what a loving dipshit he is for years

punishedkissinger posted:

my concern is that he will be singularly blamed when the rest of management hosed up by having this guy apparently be the single point of failure for the safety of the set.

punishedkissinger posted:

my concern is that he will be singularly blamed when the rest of management hosed up by having this guy apparently be the single point of failure for the safety of the set. even after a stunt double was handed a HOT gun that was called COLD and almost killed someone.

GolfHole posted:

my concern is that he will kill me, too

punishedkissinger posted:

my concern is that he will be singularly blamed when the rest of management hosed up by having this guy apparently be the single point of failure for the safety of the set. even after a stunt double was handed a HOT gun that was called COLD and almost killed someone.

Big Beef City posted:

Let me ask you this;

what would you be comfortable with happening in movies since you've stated repeatedly that you don't want guns on set OR stunts to be occurring?

Big Beef City posted:

Let me ask you this;

what would you be comfortable with happening in movies since you've stated repeatedly that you don't want guns on set OR stunts to be occurring?

GolfHole posted: