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I'm just going to step in and say that despite a high signal-to-noise ratio, there have been some really good suggestions in this thread. I personally would really like to see the USPol/News thread either eliminated or seriously curtailed just on the principal that we don't really need a catch-all chat thread (that's what the ability to create new threads is for) and in it's current iteration USNews sucks up all the oxygen for other threads while at the same time being an un-moderateable pressure cooker for posters' inherent character defects. In addition, I would like to add that the posters who are trying to lay this all at the feet of the mods (and of the current mod staff, no less--like this hasn't been a problem for most of the 17 years that I have been lurking and posting on this subforum) are completely full of poo poo. The mods in D&D (current mod staff included) have had their share of gently caress ups and bad calls, but if nearly any of the people coming in here to demand that the mods resign/self-flagellate/self-imolate have ever contributed meaningfully to a discussion in this subforum, I sure as gently caress don't remember it.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:..harsh but fair You're a mod, post them here where people can respond to them and also post them in the closed QCS thread for anyone who was only paying attention to that thread.
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Jazerus posted:hi i don't have much to say about d&d that i haven't already said in the QCS thread but i want to dispute this Yeah it certainly made USNews less of a problem while it was open, right? From my perspective it was a successful containment zone and could only be considered a failure if posting stopped there. I don't think it's helpful to care about the content of the posts much if it didn't dissuade posters from  inside.
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Jazerus posted:hi i don't have much to say about d&d that i haven't already said in the QCS thread but i want to dispute this "You are all a bunch of rape apologists" just ain't the quality posting Who knows what the weekend will bring.
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fool of sound posted:No it's the conversation that 2-3 people want to have, while the other 100 regulars in USPol PM me 8 times and file collectively 30 reports about because they want to discuss breaking news in USNews, not vaping policy. Isn’t it kinda weird that per this an apparent majority of posters in that thread would prefer a mod stomping in with a declaration or a probe instead of just posting content themselves to re-rail the thread? I don’t follow it fully, but do posters coming in with posts like “sorry to interrupt vape chat, but here’s a news thing” get yelled at by the vape chat derailers or something?… If the problem they say is specifically the “I use this as a newsfeed, wtf is this poo poo” thing, you’ll never solve that within a single thread since that’s not what discussion is. You could do a slow mode news feed thread and encourage people to quote and respond in the monthly discussion thread or whatever. but, regardless, if D&D regulars often swarm mods in a way that is not replicated elsewhere on the forums, it kinda makes you think, huh?
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Oct 27, 2021 02:44
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CommieGIR posted:"You are all a bunch of rape apologists" just ain't the quality posting you think it is. But maybe given the desire for us to be hands off, we can bring it back. Maybe that doesn't matter anymore. The Blow Zone was a bad idea that was incompatible with the nature of this forum. If people want a place to post like CSPAM, such a forum already exists. D&D should be its own thing, and if people don't like it they can just not post here.
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CommieGIR posted:"You are all a bunch of rape apologists" just ain't the quality posting hey i was part of chill chat crew in that thread too. but like, some folks in d&d want to punch lib and let die until his teeth fall out, and he wants to do the same to them, so let em say "gently caress you" to each other and just give a big fat probation whenever someone does a calm hitler routine or gets weird/creepy. don't interject yourself the way you did in the last blow zone and nobody will be rude to you, just watch the posts and hit people when they're over the line. the fact is that that discussion could happen in cspam if the d&d regulars that want to fight would post in a thread there, but they won't, so you have a monopoly on providing the venue for the most tedious weekend entertainment of all time which will also miraculously clear up your big megathreads! what an opportunity Jazerus fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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Oct 27, 2021 02:47
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Jazerus posted:hi i don't have much to say about d&d that i haven't already said in the QCS thread but i want to dispute this I shouldn't have posted what I did. It was unnecessarily inflammatory, and it hurt people that I had no cause to hurt. But it's really hard to take the outrage like this seriously when it's being described as 'nasty poo poo' and a screed, yet the entirety of my post could fit in a redtext. I didn't help the blow thread, but I sure as hell wasn't the one who turn it into a smoking crater.
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Oct 27, 2021 02:55
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CommieGIR posted:"You are all a bunch of rape apologists" just ain't the quality posting Right now it’d just be another thread where D&D meta is discussed, which right now will inevitably lead to bad moderator actions, which will appropriately upset people, so maybe not a great idea. Did that thread even start with a topic other than “let’s mock cspam”? It didn’t seem like good framing for chill chat.
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Cloaked posted:Right now it’d just be another thread where D&D meta is discussed, which right now will inevitably lead to bad moderator actions, which will appropriately upset people, so maybe not a great idea. Did that thread even start with a topic other than “let’s mock cspam”? It didn’t seem like good framing for chill chat. No, the goal was not mock cspam. Not only is riling up cross forums drama something we actively try to avoid, it doesn't make any sense to do. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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Oct 27, 2021 02:59
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Tibalt posted:I like how everyone forgets about the game show certain posters made about harassing survivors to ritualistic denounce voting for Joe Biden or prove themselves rape apologists in the blow thread. Something they themselves admit they shouldn't have done and apologized for. wasn't aware screeds had a minimum word count, i learned something anyway i wasn't intending to provide an encyclopedic accounting of all of the ways the blow zone devolved into an argument toward the end. both sides of the argument were probably a bit too lovely, your post won the crown for sucking the most but you weren't alone. while this day-long posting war was going on, nobody was slapfighting in other threads in d&d, providing a better experience for everyone. and some fun jokes were posted along the way (mostly before the fight started) the point is that it was created at least partially as a containment thread, and then shut down because it contained exactly the substance it was made to hold. it was also created as a chill chat thread, and there was chill chat for probably half the thread's lifespan, too. as a thread concept it was successful in doing it was created to do, even if the resulting product was sometimes ugly. there's nowhere to go but up and i have confidence in the diplomatic process and that things can improve as the blow zone develops into its own "thing" Cloaked posted:Right now it’d just be another thread where D&D meta is discussed, which right now will inevitably lead to bad moderator actions, which will appropriately upset people, so maybe not a great idea. Did that thread even start with a topic other than “let’s mock cspam”? It didn’t seem like good framing for chill chat. no lol. it was "hey let's have a thread where succ zone posters/cspammers in general come to hang out in d&d and post with d&d regulars" and i don't think anyone came away from it with hard feelings about the thread itself. i certainly didn't. it revealed some common ground and some boisterous disagreements. Jazerus fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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blow zone thread did seem to work somewhat as a place to blow off steam since I recall USNews improving while blow was open. But I also don't follow USNews super closely most of the time. Since Lib and let die was doing some number crunching earlier I'll return the favor. In case you weren't aware you can look at the top 30 posters in a thread by clicking the # of posts: https://forums.somethingawful.com/misc.php?action=whoposted&threadid=3979833 The 30 top posters in the blow zone totaled about three thousand of four thousand total posts (3019 / 4128) so it's pretty evident it was a small number of posters actually participating. I think the issue is there are a dozen other places to shitpost and chat and many D&D regulars don't look here for that specifically.
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CommieGIR posted:Is anybody not in agreement that the mass incarceration of black Americans is basically genocide? I mean given that the US Justice system in general is steeped in White Supremacy oriented towards doing oppressive, genocide like things? lmao if this is your position then surely anyone that advocates for one of the chief architects of this genocidal system should be forum-banned, right? my mod feedback is to demod this guy because he absolutely should not have access to buttons. i don't think he's particularly mean-spirited (thats ralph, who should also be de-modded) he's just really not suited to being a mod as he's basically the posting equivalent of a golden retriever. golden retrievers are great, everyone loves them. but theyre dumb as hell and absolutely should not be in charge of anything at all.
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Jazerus posted:wasn't aware screeds had a minimum word count, i learned something And I know I was literally the only one, because as mentioned before, there was a running tally being presented as a game. Well... until Assange got brought up, and suddenly a lot more posters started having nuanced views. Those didn't get included in the tally though, for some reason.
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Pobrecito posted:golden retrievers are great, everyone loves them. but theyre dumb as hell and absolutely should not be in charge of anything at all. Wait, seriously?! Uh, I gotta go into work.
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Tibalt posted:I like how everyone forgets about the game show certain posters made about harassing survivors to ritualistic denounce voting for Joe Biden or prove themselves rape apologists in the blow thread. Something they themselves admit they shouldn't have done and apologized for. You also still posted rape apologia about Tara Reade. You directly, literally did that.
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fool of sound posted:That sure is a lot of words to call me a patholical liar, MSDOS. It's funny that you would call anyone pathological when you've spent the entire last year of your posting exclusively complaining about D&D in other forums. Don't post in this thread again. Sorry that this was three pages ago, but this is an absolutely embarrassing response to a legitimate criticism of the moderation of this forum. You literally set up this "pathological" strawman (something never said by the poster!) then ban them from the feedback thread for it.
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Nucleic Acids posted:You also still posted rape apologia about Tara Reade. You directly, literally did that. Let's not start that up here, thanks.
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CommieGIR posted:Let's not start that up here, thanks. are you ever gonna deal with the fact that you gave him a slap on the wrist for some absolutely disgusting actions and words? Are you going to take action that redresses that? at all?
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Tibalt posted:I like how everyone forgets about the game show certain posters made about harassing survivors to ritualistic denounce voting for Joe Biden or prove themselves rape apologists in the blow thread. Something they themselves admit they shouldn't have done and apologized for. I don't know what you're going on about, but you don't get to use survivors as your personal shield when you're questioning other survivors' stories. If you're a survivor, please don't question other survivor's stories. It's as simple as that. Stuff like this is going to make people really uncomfortable posting here. It's not just a meme, it's actively distressing and I was really tempted right now to just ask for a forum ban so I could spare myself posting with stuff like this. Maybe I still should. I dunno. Night's late, I'll give myself morning to think about it.
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Probably Magic posted:I don't know what you're going on about, but you don't get to use survivors as your personal shield when you're questioning other survivors' stories. If you're a survivor, please don't question other survivor's stories. It's as simple as that. I hate how D&D talks about rape in general, in both the apologia and the "why do you love rape, biden voter". It's extremely distressing in a fight-or-flight panic kind of way.
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Tibalt posted:Calling a bunch of posters rape apologists for voting for Biden isn't chill posting. What does it say about you that winning "the game" involved just not openly posting rape apologia and you still lost it Would love to see examples of Assange nuance posting though e: for the record I thought GHF's bargain bin Taintrunner act had become extremely tedious to read and I hoped he'd just give it a rest right up until the point this dude was just like "yeah the rape victim lied" TheIncredulousHulk fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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A big flaming stink posted:are you ever gonna deal with the fact that you gave him a slap on the wrist for some absolutely disgusting actions and words? Are you going to take action that redresses that? at all? No, and this thread isn't the re-litigate probes thread. And your inability to expect mods to be fallible humans who make mistakes is interesting. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Forum bans are never a knee jerk reaction and they are almost always due to a long history of shithouse posting / probations. And yes, mods discuss it. If that is the case, it does not make sense that it took data analysis and regex searches to cobble together a list of who might be inferred as forum banned. Presumably if the mods carefully considered each of those then they would already know who they did it to, which, they didn't.
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made some charts. all of these are limited to the calendar year 2021, and only scraping data from public forums because i didnt log in to scrape the data      
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I'm cum probe time in hours
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Lib and let die posted:I'm cum probe time in hours youre the one who taught me to use microsoft power bi
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fart simpson posted:made some charts. all of these are limited to the calendar year 2021, and only scraping data from public forums because i didnt log in to scrape the data Great work! Would it be possible to see probes per user per thread or forum. poo poo, I didn't know PowerBI did web scraping. I'll have to check that out Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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That is thoroughly impressive.
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CommieGIR posted:And your inability to expect mods to be fallible humans who make mistakes is interesting. ??? It's not about being infallible it's about correcting your mistakes, something which hasn't been done in the specific case in mention, which just so happens to reflect a pattern in D&D, hence it continuing to come up each time one of these threads is around. No one is trying to "own" you for making a mistake.
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Thank you for making those graphs, I like graphs. My main takeaway is that Vilerat is not earning his paycheck.
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Fritz the Horse posted:My main takeaway is that Vilerat is not earning his paycheck. 
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I'm going to go ahead and open the thread back up to civil and productive discussion between posters since the mods probably aren't going to be around a ton overnight. Grooglon posted:I hate how D&D talks about rape in general, in both the apologia and the "why do you love rape, biden voter". It's extremely distressing in a fight-or-flight panic kind of way. Yeah this is any ongoing issue that I constantly worry about and don't feel that I have a grasp on how to handle. I want D&D to be a place where people can respectfully and above all safely discuss abuse, but the current dont-ask-dont-tell-esque setup is awful and leads to an environment where no discussion can happen at all. My observations are: ---Accusations of abuse need to be handled with utmost respect and circumspection; skepticism is weaponized against victims in order to silence them, especially by powerful people. ---Bringing up accusations as a litmus test of other posters is exploitative and highly disrespectful both to other posters an survivors in general; many posters have suffered abuse themselves, and labeling people as pro-rape is wildly out of line. ---Posters need to feel confident that they can share, discuss, and learn without risking severe punishment for honest missteps, unless they've severe. Survivors need to feel confident that should moderation be needed, that have someone they can trust to discuss the issue with them and act appropriately. I'm particularly interested in hearing advice from people who have some experience or expertise in how abuse should be discussed. This is strictly voluntary, any poster who doesn't feel comfortable discussing this subject in this venue does not have to.
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fart simpson posted:made some charts. all of these are limited to the calendar year 2021, and only scraping data from public forums because i didnt log in to scrape the data 1) your legends kinda suck 2) I would very much like it if they were better because I am more data science poisoned than almost anyone you will ever meet
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GreyjoyBastard posted:1) your legends kinda suck Jesus man why not a thank you before you just poo poo all over it.
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CommieGIR posted:No, the goal was not mock cspam. Not only is riling up cross forums drama something we actively try to avoid, it doesn't make any sense to do. Why did you name it a parody of a cspam thread then? Fwiw "the suck zone" is a reference to the 90s movie Twister about storm chasers and featuring the #3 hit single "Long Way Down" by the Goo Goo Dolls. What's the meaning of "the blow zone"?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:1) your legends kinda suck i dont care. you do it then, ill even send you the raw data if you want
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fart simpson posted:made some charts. all of these are limited to the calendar year 2021, and only scraping data from public forums because i didnt log in to scrape the data This is all fantastic, and is working as most D&D regulars want, and if anything, Handsome Ralph deserves a raise.
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CommieGIR posted:No, and this thread isn't the re-litigate probes thread. And your inability to expect mods to be fallible humans who make mistakes is interesting. you know you can go back and give that guy a week or a ban+30 whatever right. you know it doesnt have to stay a 6er. you know that right GreyjoyBastard posted:1) your legends kinda suck lmfao Monicro fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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