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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Meanwhile the us news thread seems to operate just fine when everyone is threadshitting here instead of there. Dismissing criticism as threadshitting really loving sucks especially when you have consistently been among the worst posters in this thread when it comes to things like making up what you think other people mean with their posts.
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The Shortest Path posted:Dismissing criticism as threadshitting really loving sucks especially when you have consistently been among the worst posters in this thread when it comes to things like making up what you think other people mean with their posts. A hit dog will holler
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Epic High Five posted:The graphs are good yeah, more of those. Would like to reiterate that I was disappointed to hear that all those probe reasons got pulled but we didn't get a word cloud, which is the standard bearer of reliability in data science as I understand it.  poo poo please e: if we can get a list together of all the paywall-filtered words, i can do a quick find/replace on the source file. I'm also excluding the following words, which can be appended: "post", "thread","posting", "user put", "poster", "USER PUT ", "probation", " USER PUT", " USER PUT " Lib and let die fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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I actually read Jeffrey's post was above all else "don't be an aggro rear end in a top hat to people you don't agree with".A Buttery Pastry posted:I'd add "A summary and your opinion on the article/video and the subject covered". I think I suggested this as well in one of the older feedback threads. Posting Twitter links should be a strict liability activity: you post it you own it.
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Lib and let die posted:
This is also why I am here
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Meanwhile the us news thread seems to operate just fine when everyone is threadshitting here instead of there. Maybe. I have some positive suggestions as well, I just haven't had the time to sit down and compose them but I will. But since a Current Affairs thread had been suggested a few times on the last few pages, I just wanted to point out this was tried and it turned out even the people who asked for it didn't end up enjoying it and eventually abandoned it and forgot it was even there.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:A hit dog will holler I take it you are one of the people no longer threadshitting in us news
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The Shortest Path posted:you have consistently been among the worst posters in this thread when it comes to things like making up what you think other people mean with their posts. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:A hit dog will holler 
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:A hit dog will holler The loving irony of you posting this after what I said at the bottom of the previous page is something else.
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VitalSigns posted:Maybe. There's nothing wrong with the current format. The changes need to be in how it is moderated and how much people poo poo it up with whinging about forums drama and their probations. If we can please just ban rape apologia, genocide denial, and other really horrible poo poo, then just appropriately use the probation function when things get out of hand things would be fine . Also reporting should be a self probe.
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Lib and let die posted:
If it's possible it'd be cool to make "poo poo post" its own word
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The Shortest Path posted:The crux of my argument has been that it is not over moderation but wrongly applied moderation. People who make assholish posts but disguise it in thousands of words of tedious garbage get off scott free but people who get that directed at them several times clap back with something much less long and tedious, and only the latter gets punished. This happens several times and the poster gets ramped and increasingly frustrated and once that's in their history everything they say becomes instantly dismissed as being from an "aggro poster" until they either stop posting on their own or get forumbanned. What does "making an assholish post but disguising it in thousands of words of tedious garbage" look like? How is it distinct from "disagreeing with the OP, responding to the OP in depth, and asking the OP to provide sources for their arguments?" Like, I get being frustrated with the former, but I also see a lot of posters get frustrated with the latter and I am not sure how mods are supposed to tell the difference in all but the most egregious cases.
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Aegis posted:What does "making an assholish post but disguising it in thousands of words of tedious garbage" look like? How is it distinct from "disagreeing with the OP, responding to the OP in depth, and asking the OP to provide sources for their arguments?" Someone post the fishmech short story for him to understand
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Somewhat unrelated but going off the word cloud — I think sentiment analysis is largely bullshit, but it would be cool to see statistics on post length and word choice split by user agent, if that’s technically possible (probably not without database access; but if things are the same as when radium banned someone because they used WebTV, that data is probably recorded ). I’m not certain but I suspect there would be differences in posting style , frequency, and so on among mobile and desktop posters. (My hunch is that mobile promotes more posts, more aggression, more Twitter and filler content.)
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GreyjoyBastard posted:your grudges aside, we've been trying to recruit mods from outside the us and/or the us threads (and/or aren't cismale, for that matter) and met with little success you think that the reason why youre met with "littlre success" in recruiting non-Uspol mods, is because the pool of people willing to "work with you" is dry. i do wonder why this is so
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I think it's a reasonable statement that even if the entire mod team was purged, the majority of posters reactions to being asked to be a D&D mod would be "no. haha gently caress no lol".
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enki42 posted:I think it's a reasonable statement that even if the entire mod team was purged, the majority of posters reactions to being asked to be a D&D mod would be "no. haha gently caress no lol". yeah it's this. what is the upside to accepting that offer for literally anyone? yes you get to volunteer your free time and in return you get... what exactly? other than a big target of course
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lollontee posted:you think that the reason why youre met with "littlre success" in recruiting non-Uspol mods, is because the pool of people willing to "work with you" is dry. i do wonder why this is so A whole lot of them have expressed a fear of harassment actually.
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enki42 posted:I think it's a reasonable statement that even if the entire mod team was purged, the majority of posters reactions to being asked to be a D&D mod would be "no. haha gently caress no lol". I think it has something to do with the fact that the only mod that doesn't get quite a bit of flack is the one that's been dead for a decade. It seems to be a thankless job that isn't worth it because of the treatment by other posters. You guys act like GJB and CGR are as bad as someone like r guyavich who just went on forum purges of his posting enemies If I was a mod I would probe all of the harassing posts that hide behind a thin vernier of concern. Like hell if I would actually be one though. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Oct 27, 2021 |
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Look, to save D&D they must become the Anitlei. That's why the mods here are working their assess off, throwing out bans I guess because they can't keep their cool.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:yeah it's this. what is the upside to accepting that offer for literally anyone? -Excellent salary and benefits -Beloved and respected by most posters -Ability to change avatars for free -Access to reports and mod forums which are where all the really good SA content is
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I think it has something to do with the fact that the only mod that doesn't get quite a bit of flack is the one that's been dead for a decade. there's also ardennes who, at current count, hasn't posted in dnd in like 3 months, which is par for the course for him lol
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Herstory Begins Now posted:there's also ardennes who, at current count, hasn't posted in dnd in like 3 months, which is par for the course for him lol A mod should aspire to be quiet, calm, and sincere. That sounds good!
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fool of sound posted:A whole lot of them have expressed a fear of harassment actually. yeah the two most common refusal reasons are "I rather like not being constantly screamed at, no thanks" and "as much as my dearest dream is being constantly screamed at, I'm pretty busy irl and don't feel like I could do the job justice"
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I can only imagine that a big part of that has to do with the fact that you're only looking at posters that you like. Which has been a large cause for the problem going back a few generations of mods imo.
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The Shortest Path posted:I can only imagine that a big part of that has to do with the fact that you're only looking at posters that you like. Which has been a large cause for the problem going back a few generations of mods imo. I thought that reframing someone else's legitimate concern to fit your argument was something you didn't like
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Being a mod being an impossible task that just gets you harassed is also a long standing problem in SA that we've mostly dealt with by trying nothing and being all out of ideas. Those sort of problems really stack up.
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Epic High Five posted:Oh that yeah, I mean crossing the same river twice tho ya know? There's no going back to pre-Trump but that's not the goal, we've gotta figure something out now, shaped by our present material circumstances. Some German guy talked about it I think. I think there's enough here to the effect of "oh but this isn't a problem in CSPAM or GBS or wherever else" is something. They aren't any more inoculated from the poisonous brew that is the wider internet after all, but there's something there that is happening. What is it, how do we make it happen here. I mean hell the UK threads seem to do just fine and their press and internet is even dumber and more psychotic than it is in the US (just my opinion) the UK thread is small enough and communal enough that all their idiots and assholes either got run out or somehow got obsessed with US politics instead as bad as Americans are in USPol/USNews, the Europeans who sit there posting about US politics all day are somehow even worse other than that, fart simpson's helpful charts suggest that there is a fair bit of political assholery going on in GBS and C-SPAM From GBS, the top two threads for mod button usage in 2021 are the Cursed images thread and the Trump thread, regardless of whether you're ranking by total probe hours or total number of probes/bans given. And the next highest GBS thread by probe hours given is their China thread. From C-SPAM, it's pretty wild to see the Trump threads showing up in the probe rankings at all given that they're rebooted every month or two. When you see that TRUMP 1460 has only one-third of the probes that USNews does, you've gotta remember that TRUMP 1460 was closed twenty days into 2021. That's 155 probes in just under three weeks, so clearly something is going on. Meanwhile, the D&D COVID thread has only slightly more mod action than the C-SPAM COVID thread, in both number of actions and total probe hours given. GBS and C-SPAM politics discussion may have different problems and different reactions to those problems, but they're both generating massive amounts of probations in their political threads specifically, and I suspect the mods aren't pressing those buttons just for the fun of it.
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why cant you just hand in your papers? thats what i keep wondering about, why do you want to hold on when so many people want you gone? just... why is my question you dont seem to have any ideo how to fix any of the problems (which is you), and youre frustrated by your feedback because it seems to give you no choise but to resign. so why dont you?
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lollontee posted:why cant you just hand in your papers? thats what i keep wondering about, why do you want to hold on when so many people want you gone? just... why is my question
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fool of sound posted:A whole lot of them have expressed a fear of harassment actually. can you post an example?
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D&D is never gonna solve the problem of the cadres of freaks who are obsessed with posting their enemies into submission by not having any mods at all
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Main Paineframe posted:the UK thread is small enough and communal enough that all their idiots and assholes either got run out or somehow got obsessed with US politics instead As the current Trump thread op, the vast majority of the probes originating there are not serious offenses. They're probes for posting disgusting food pics, or for food pics that aren't disgusting enough, or for hallucinogen 12-tuple posting at 3 in the morning, or being mean to buddykins, or calling cumshitter old, or saying that shnorkles isn't an absentee father who eats dog turds, for the most part. Occasionally there's something serious like the recent Alec vlog situation, but it's not really valid to point to the silliest thread in the subforum with a large volume of silly sixers as an example of how unruly CSPAM is.
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lollontee posted:can you post an example? lollontee posted:why cant you just hand in your papers? thats what i keep wondering about, why do you want to hold on when so many people want you gone? just... why is my question
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GreyjoyBastard posted:yeah the two most common refusal reasons are "I rather like not being constantly screamed at, no thanks" and "as much as my dearest dream is being constantly screamed at, I'm pretty busy irl and don't feel like I could do the job justice" maybe its because they dont want to be screamed at for enforcing rules they do not care about
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