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i rewatched lynch's dune after seeing villeneuve's version and while i agree that the movie mostly doesn't work, i enjoyed some parts of it. the movie absolutely falls apart in the back half because they try to condense 200 pages of pretty impactful plot into an hour of movie with predictable results. but if there's one thing lynch did better than villeneuve its the sets. there are some really great sets on display in the movie, where dune 2021has pretty perfunctory backgrounds that don't stand out all that much. also i really dug the miniatures work, which looks way more real than the cgi nonsense they try to cram into everything these days. also lynch is ballsier in that he shows the third stage guild navigator in the first five minutes of the movie, and shows the guild navigator folding space, both of which are pretty weird and immediately let you know what you're in for. kyle maclachlan makes for a very weird and way too grown up paul, but he's always a treat and jurgen prochnow looks like paul's older brother, not his dad lol. this version really does lady jessica dirty and makes her spend way too much time crying for some reason, where she's rather stoic in the book. lynch's dune also totally miscasts gurney halleck, just like villeneuve so i guess that's just a thing with adaptations. patrick stewart is fun as always of course. the harkonnens are gloriously weird and disgusting, very different from the understated vileness of the 2021 film, and probably for the better? i loved watching baron harkonnen fly around cackling like an idiot. casting sting as feyd rautha is just plain bizarre but he gets to walk around the movie with a weird grin and really hams it up, so that's fun. also brad dourif as piter devries is just great. overall the movie absolutely is bad and doesn't function to tell the story of dune and barely tells its own story, relying on tons of narration to cover huge events. but it has its fun moments despite the fact that lynch clearly didn't want to be making it. i guess there's a reason he doesn't discuss it of course the dune we deserved is jodorowsky's 14-hour epic with the moebius and giger art and the pink floyd soundtrack. in a better world you'd go to an all-day dune watching event with three intermissions and acid at the door
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frank herberts wrote the baron as a fat gluttonous paedophile so the lynch movie is probably truer to the book than the boring villeneuve version
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Forceholy posted:Was THX—1138 any good? It's probably more important than good. It's fairly dour and laden with meaning, although more adventurous than anything else Lucas did. Film studies majors will love it, the general public less so.
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Oct 28, 2021 13:35
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villeneuve's Baron is adapted for modern audiences. He is being depicted as a lead poisoned boomer with a dead soul, something we are all unfortunately very familiar with
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Oct 28, 2021 13:48
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:villeneuve's Baron is adapted for modern audiences. He is being depicted as a lead poisoned boomer with a dead soul, something we are all unfortunately very familiar with The movie was almost a too compressed format since none of characters especially Baron got any sort of meaningful development or characterization.
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incredible thread here worth a whole read through https://twitter.com/nataliereed84/status/1453471620496912387?s=21 here’s how it ends https://twitter.com/nataliereed84/status/1453530409359212549?s=21
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paul literally blinds himself and walks into the desert because he can't countenance walking the golden path lol. the fact that leto ii carries it out isn't celebrated. paul literally compares himself to hitler at one point. people really want dune to be something it isn't
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Oct 28, 2021 15:37
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josh04 posted:yeah, I don't think Lucas was deliberately shirking that era - Vader's costume is all leather piping. he just brings all the stuff that worked from THX 1138 and that comes to dominate the look of the empire Oh yeah, he clearly loved that stuff, he just wanted to do something different. Kinda weird in that sci-fi is where the older stuff is all brown and bronze, and basically the aesthetic that steampunk usually ends up apeing more than actual steam-era stuff.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:incredible thread here worth a whole read through
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Children should not be allowed on the internet.
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Serf posted:paul literally blinds himself and walks into the desert because he can't countenance walking the golden path lol. the fact that leto ii carries it out isn't celebrated. paul literally compares himself to hitler at one point. people really want dune to be something it isn't Yeah those tweets are really dumb since the follow-on Dune books subvert the classic "path of hero" story which got reused in piles of mythological stories and also Star Wars. The follow-on Dune books are more about the nightmare that's hinted in the first books since Paul is able to see into the future coming true. Even they are subverted from being hardy, independent people to basically becoming pawns of Paul and his kids due to how they were manipulated into believing a messiah story which got planted into their culture.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Children should not be allowed on the internet. that person claims to be 36, older than me lol etalian posted:Yeah those tweets are really dumb since the follow-on Dune books subvert the classic "path of hero" story which got reused in piles of mythological stories and also Star Wars. there is an ugly little corner of my brain that wants to read the brian herbert/kevin j anderson books to see if they really as as bad as everyone says. i have never heard a single positive thing about them and don't currently hate myself enough to do it tho. i never finished chapterhouse dune, i should do that at least
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:incredible thread here worth a whole read through dance puppets! dance for your dog brained master!
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Serf posted:paul literally blinds himself and walks into the desert because he can't countenance walking the golden path lol. the fact that leto ii carries it out isn't celebrated. paul literally compares himself to hitler at one point. people really want dune to be something it isn't I loved that scene in Dune Messiah: Paul is talking about historical conquers from history and mentions to his buddy Stilgar the warlord Hitler killed millions with similar methods as Paul did and his toady high priest jumps in and says Hilter was a chump, just think of the tens of billions you killed m'lord.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:incredible thread here worth a whole read through i mean she isnt wrong. the books are filled with homophobia and weird nonsense about gender
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THX-1138 drags a bit but dang aren't there some fabulous scifi scenes in it. the factory scenes, the control room scenes, OMM, the final scene, lots of good scifi in it also most of the extras were already in a cult which is why they had shaved heads already and were cheaper to hire Let us be thankful we have commerce. Buy more. Buy more now. Buy. And be happy. Let us be thankful we have an occupation to fill. Work hard, increase production, prevent accidents, and be happy. Thou art a subject of the divine, created in the image of man, by the masses, for the masses. Blessings of the state, blessings of the masses.
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Knight posted:Ok, Zoomer AnimeIsTrash posted:Children should not be allowed on the internet. https://twitter.com/nataliereed84/status/1453524118507175939
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That's just sad, then. Foam Adventure started making the rounds again and the YT comments had reached the point where recent ones were largely "I don't know why everyone hates this it's not so bad" but then they go on to talk about how it reminds them of goofing off with their friends as kids and now they don't have as many friends to goof off with as adults (presumably because they're irritating and unpleasant enough to fondly reminisce about foam adventure).
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A bit cliched that the atomic bombings is what leads fastos to dispair. even just limiting ourselves to the pacific theatre you have the genocides and mass systematic sex slavery in China and Korea, starvation and regular rear end fire bombings, but somehow Hiroshima is the biggest tragedy.
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eternals allowing 1/4 of europe to die in the black plague: cringe or based?
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babypolis posted:i mean she isnt wrong. the books are filled with homophobia and weird nonsense about gender Yeah, you just need to actually engage with the material to sort out the authentically problematic stuff from his subversion. His gender essentialism grates, but the fact that he was struggling with ideas even there is present in that I really get the impression he felt that women were better than men and wanted to explore the idea of women being powerful in their own right. I generally feel that his entire premise is wrong, and that the recurrence of the great man style of leadership effectively boils down to our societies having been based on land ownership by male heads of households for a good five thousand years. If everything is based on what man owns the most, of course you're going to end up with one powerful owner treating society more or less like a bunch of slaves with extra steps. Still, at least he was attempting to be critical of his own lovely assumptions, which is more than I can say for a Heinlein.
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The God Emperor of Poon
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Judakel posted:The God Emperor of Poon eagerly awaiting this porn 'parody'
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Hodgepodge posted:eagerly awaiting this porn 'parody' Porn parodies loving suck. Especially the newer ones. They're essentially Friedberg/Seltzer movies with random pop culture references and then they gently caress. A Dune porn parody would have Paul saying 'Wow I'm on another planet. I must be Elon Musk'.
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Hodgepodge posted:I generally feel that his entire premise is wrong, and that the recurrence of the great man style of leadership effectively boils down to our societies having been based on land ownership by male heads of households for a good five thousand years. If everything is based on what man owns the most, of course you're going to end up with one powerful owner treating society more or less like a bunch of slaves with extra steps. Still, at least he was attempting to be critical of his own lovely assumptions, which is more than I can say for a Heinlein. i thnik this way of thinking is wrong for a very different reason namely that it places too much emphasis on official titles that tend to get recorded and not on behind the scenes politicking which is often far more important than public relations in terms of making sure poo poo actually gets done like in pretty much any monarchy ever the queen mother is a position thats about as powerful as the king in terms of her ability to get people to do what they she tells them but this fact is lost in a strictly documentation obsessed view of history because she never signs her name on anything
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Some Guy TT posted:looks like we solved the mystery of why there was live ammo at alec baldwins movie shoot in the first place 
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I thought Lynch's style decisions in Dune made sense because you didn't want to just look like Star Wars and because you're dealing with a story with European-style Emperors and Dukes and royal houses. It's not a perfect movie, especially with respect to the action choreography and the pacing, but I think the sets, costumes and special effects still look great.
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lmao lucas really retroactively hosed herbert up now all the poo poo he stole makes even dunc look contrived
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DesertIslandHermit posted:Porn parodies loving suck. Especially the newer ones. They're essentially Friedberg/Seltzer movies with random pop culture references and then they gently caress. A Dune porn parody would have Paul saying 'Wow I'm on another planet. I must be Elon Musk'. the ST TNG one begs to differ
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I ask once again, does Ted Lasso have jokes?
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i think i'd probably describe Ted Lasso as "inoffensive" but aggressively so
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Some Guy TT posted:i thnik this way of thinking is wrong for a very different reason namely that it places too much emphasis on official titles that tend to get recorded and not on behind the scenes politicking which is often far more important than public relations in terms of making sure poo poo actually gets done That's more or less precisely the type of power Herbert is interested; the Bene Gesserit are his attempt to explore how that sort of power might be developed. Woman could make excellent Queens and be quite powerful- if they were nobles, which meant they were born land owners. It's a mistake to think that birth alone is what makes a noble and people follow the title. It's that their born with a legitimate claim to own productive land that makes them powerful; no one even questions this aspect of the system, and it and the violence that maintain it have survived through every formal ideological change in history, excepting that communism aims to dissolve it and the state acts as a landowner as a proxy until this is possible.
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i like how both of them apparently took it for granted that ted lasso is such a pop culture dynamo that everyone who saw this would get the reference and not that theyd just go wtf is this a porn shoot
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Laterite posted:drat i miss wordperfect same, the closest I've been able to find is Nimble Writer
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People are a little too precious about Dune IMO, ripe for loving with them
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Casey Finnigan posted:i think i'd probably describe Ted Lasso as "inoffensive" but aggressively so Every time I hear about the show, it just sounds like one of those feel-good cartoons but for grownups. Nothing special but absolutely fuels the emotionally-stunted 30 somethings.
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Falukorv posted:A bit cliched that the atomic bombings is what leads fastos to dispair. even just limiting ourselves to the pacific theatre you have the genocides and mass systematic sex slavery in China and Korea, starvation and regular rear end fire bombings, but somehow Hiroshima is the biggest tragedy. that's because the eternals (especially kingo) supported imperial japan
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