McNugget Buddy posted:

So there’s a lot of doctor chatter on Twitter about how we’re all hosed until a nasal vaccine comes out, since those tend to protect against infection better than injected vaccines.

Found this:

https://twitter.com/TehranTimes79/status/1448053364307083267



Give me that poo poo

mod sassinator posted:

yikes:
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1453956397180211211

ukraine throwing down almost as many cases as russia, but with nearly 1/4 the population

eastern europe is doing... not well

Stairmaster posted:

anyone else having bouts of paranoia every time they get a runny nose

McNugget Buddy posted:

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1453837932511432704

Who wants to tell him

facetoucher cat posted:

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1453993975371665416?s=20

Gio posted:

https://twitter.com/profemilyoster/status/1453666983992569860?s=21

school quarantines are next on the chopping block. “please give me the right to send my covid positive child to school.”

McNugget Buddy posted:

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1453779176322912262

durrneez posted:

plug my holes fulla dis GIMME IT I WANT IT

mycomancy posted:

Ok, it's time for the C-SPAM COVID Doomer Journal Club! (link to the article here)

Methods

I have issues with these cohort choices. First, 14 days is NOT enough time for vaccines to spin up antibodies, and they're not doing a comparison against "fully vaccinated" and "not vaccinated." Thus, a lot of these people being tagged as vaccinated well could be in the window where they have Min Titers and thus are effectively unvaccinated. Second, their flu shot metric is clever but it really needs a time limit. ANY flu vaccine EVER is a poo poo metric, as people can change over years or decades as they get poisoned by the internet or right-wing radio. Thus they may have gotten a flu vaccine in 2011 but now they're eating horse paste and running around without a mask. Third, they mix vaccine types by including the J&J vaccine, which has lower effectiveness against Delta. Since these data are taken during the Delta peak earlier this summer, those J&J folk could be functionally unvaccinated in terms of long COVID responses.

This is poor experimental design in my professional opinion, and if I reviewed this paper I'd reject it straight away because of these problems, full stop, do not pass go, do not collect a publication. They should fix it by 1) getting the J&j vaxx the gently caress outta here, 2) extending the breakthrough infection window out to 2 months post second dose of mRNA vaccine, and 3) narrowing the window of flu vaccination to 2018 and after.

Results

Jesus Christ, a quarter of their set had no data on the type of vaccine? From the medical records? What the gently caress, these people may be bad at science. All of those data points should be thrown out.

Moving on, they straight up say that vaccination reduces these risks six months out from a breakthrough infection: death and respiratory failure, intubation/ventilation, hypoxaemia, seizures, ICU admission, psychotic disorder, hair loss, hypercoagulopathy or venous thromboembolism , and oxygen requirement. I don't understand what they mean by:

Does this mean pre-existing conditions somewhat negate prevention of death? Anyway, the next paragraph is what y'all should be reading. First:

So yeah, being fully vaccinated will prevent a lot of these long COVID medical problems. Second:

Being young and vaccinated reduces your chance of long COVID issues, they claim. But the only loving chart about this they have is Figure 2, where they are only comparing vaccinated vs. unvaccinated. How many old people are in that pile? What happens if you look at actual, fully vaccinated people under 60 vs unvaccinated people under 60? Where's that figure at?

Discussion

This study looks at breakthrough infections of """vaccinated""" people, not asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic infected individuals. Thus, avoiding a breakthrough infection is paramount to prevent long COVID; in other words, mask up and brunch is cancelled.

Being a preprint, this paper has problems that peer review is meant to correct. Those cohorts look shady for the reasons I outlined, and they're missing what should be some obvious analyses. We'll see if anyone else will catch what I highlighted.

Either that and I'm wrong, then we're all doomed to brain damage. I doubt I'm wrong about this though.

genericnick posted:

Agree on the cohorts actually, but I don't think cerebral haemorrhage for example is a classic long covid thing? Actually that's probably our main point of disagreement. You read those two paragraphs as being about long covid while I read them to be about general Covid symptoms.

And yeah, the whole point is that we should try to avoid all breakthroughs, not just hospitalizations. Or ICU overflow if you really don't want to do anything.

quote:

Dr Evans was interviewed by police earlier this month, and was referred to the state’s Health Care Complaints Commission, after telling police he had issued 400 vaccine exemptions, with another 300 to be written.

gradenko_2000 posted:

euphronius posted:

I am doctor if anyone needs a doctors opinions

Honj Steak posted:

The main issue is that they tally up infections in unvaccinated vs breakthrough infections in vaccinated, i. e. with people where the vaccine didn’t work. Vaccinated people are still much less likely to get long covid since they are much less likely to get infected to begin with, with recent numbers being 95%+ efficiency after 3 doses of Pfizer.

gradenko_2000 posted:

facetoucher cat posted:

I've had fairly severe chest pains for almost 24 hours with a bp of 158/110 and I'm sure it's just a pulled muscle or heart burn and ensuing panic attack but you can never be sure!

poll plane variant posted:

If your BP goes that high under stress you have hypertension and need to be treated for it

The Nastier Nate posted:

Look I don’t want the pee hole vaccine but I’ll take all the others

Gotta draw the line somewhere

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

Just thinking about everything Melbourne has gone through recently. The longest lockdown in the world ending in complete failure, multiple riots, the biggest earthquake on record in a place that's not supposed to have earthquakes, a 120km/h windstorm with the threat of instant asthma attack deaths, and an attempted mass shooting on the evening that everything was supposed to open. All of that in the past few weeks.

Life is weird, man.

poll plane variant posted:

If your BP goes that high under stress you have hypertension and need to be treated for it

Pamela Springstein posted:

At least the country hasn't caught fire this year

Pamela Springstein posted:

At least the country hasn't caught fire this year

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

Just thinking about everything Melbourne has gone through recently. The longest lockdown in the world ending in complete failure, multiple riots, the biggest earthquake on record in a place that's not supposed to have earthquakes, a 120km/h windstorm with the threat of instant asthma attack deaths, and an attempted mass shooting on the evening that everything was supposed to open. All of that in the past few weeks.

Life is weird, man.

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

Everyone in my office was half asleep today since it didn't stop between midnight and like 5am.

quote:

LOUISVILLE, Ky. —
Some of Kentucky's COVID-19 vaccine data was counted twice, Gov. Andy Beshear announced Thursday.

That means the state's total number of unique vaccinations is lower than what's been previously reported.

The duplicate counting came from Kroger's Louisville Division.

According to Kroger and Beshear, the company had been reporting to both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's database and the Kentucky Immunization Registry.

Beshear clarified that the company thought an algorithm would have sorted out any duplicates, but that wasn't the case.

The impact in reporting is 430,000 records, including 250,000 "first doses."

That'll bring the unique count from 2.78 million to 2.53 million — or from 62% of people vaccinated to about 56% or 57%.

"What it does to our numbers hurts a little bit, but if we're going to get everybody vaccinated, and protect everybody, we really have to have the most accurate count of who is and who isn't," Beshear said.

The CDC will delete duplicate records on Thursday, and Kentucky's database is expected to update on Friday.

Kroger said in a statement that the issue creating the duplication has been resolved and will not recur.

mod sassinator posted:

it's so nice that fomite transmission is such a nothingburger with covid, because god drat all the hand washing, cleaning, etc. would have gotten really old really fast

smoobles posted:

North Sentinel Island has a very effective zero covid policy (impaling anyone who visits with a spear) I think the world could learn a lot from them

Whoolighams posted:

Lol my manager told us this morning the guy who retired from my office that was hospitalized from covid got intubated and died overnight aaaaaaand nobody is acting any differently, no masks anywhere

McNugget Buddy posted:

https://twitter.com/YahooSG/status/1453889324420829186