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Pablo Nergigante posted:That dragon is a definite limited bomb and also seems really good in standard Typically cards that do nothing on their own and require you to untap are generally pretty bad in standard. Like yeah, obviously the card is really powerful if you untap with a full grip of spells, but thats a big if and there are better ways to spend 4 mana.
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Sickening posted:That hellkite is aggro as gently caress. No haste
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Paul Zuvella posted:Typically cards that do nothing on their own and require you to untap are generally pretty bad in standard. Like yeah, obviously the card is really powerful if you untap with a full grip of spells, but thats a big if and there are better ways to spend 4 mana. is something like swinging for 13 damage turn 5 bad in standard? if you get a pump spell turn 5, pump hellkite for +4, create a 5/5 token
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Oct 29, 2021 17:48
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Moonveil Regent doesn't do anything if its killed the turn its played other than perhaps ping an opponent or kill a small creature and it still finds plenty of play That board wipe is super flexible, wow
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fadam posted:
The funniest thing about it is if it gets to ten counters, it was probably winning the game already
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mandatory lesbian posted:The funniest thing about it is if it gets to ten counters, it was probably winning the game already Also that it's Indestructible and not like, Hexproof. Can still get exiled, bounced, like c'mon.
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I wonder if cleave would read better if it went the opposite direction (add the bracketed text instead of remove)
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Pablo Nergigante posted:
Dargon super strong. Isnt there (theros?) commander card thats similar to that spirit, I think it gains counters different way, but the gain flying and then indestructible mechanic is almost the same.
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/MTGGoldfish/status/1454102120261689346 It doesn't really seem that good to me. Not a ton of impact if it comes down turn 3, probably has to be played in mono-red, the second +1 does nothing if your top card is a land (although it is good to lands off the top of your deck if you're playing aggressive red burn). I may be underrating it but it just seems a bit blah.
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Strong Sauce posted:
I don't think this is great. There is a big difference between 2 and 3 CMC.
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mcmagic posted:I don't think this is great. There is a big difference between 2 and 3 CMC. It beats up all the tokens in monog (Chariot cats, Ranger wolf, Wrenn friend, Troll copy) though I doubt that's enough to matter since all those cards are generating value on their own anyway.
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Bugsy posted:Dargon super strong. Found it, it was Kaldhiem not theros commander decks. 
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 I'm a huge fan of Cleave if only because it enabled this joke.
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https://twitter.com/AfterTtv/status/1454144219816341509 My Spanish is very rusty but this is what I think it says Concealed Curtain(?) Creature - Wall 0/4 Defender 2B: Transform. Activate only as a sorcery Revealing Eye(?) Creature - Eye Horror 3/4 Menace When this creature transforms into Revealing Eye, target opponent reveals their hand. Choose a nonland card. If you do, that player discards that card and draws a card.
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mcmagic posted:I don't think this is great. There is a big difference between 2 and 3 CMC. Ashmouth Dragon and Benevolent Geist remain 2 cmc, at least! But not hitting Old-Growth Troll and Elite Spellbinder is the Big Problem, yeah.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:https://twitter.com/AfterTtv/status/1454144219816341509 Vendillion Clique at home.
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Oct 29, 2021 19:21
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Alchemist's Gambit is gonna end up fixing the time walk meta by allowing some sort of mono-red/Izzet deck to T3/4 kill you
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Dias posted:Alchemist's Gambit is gonna end up fixing the time walk meta by allowing some sort of mono-red/Izzet deck to T3/4 kill you I think that'd require the card to be good.
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The Shortest Path posted:
It's a good joke.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I think that'd require the card to be good. You saying it won't be guarantees it's gonna be banned week one
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Oct 29, 2021 19:30
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It might make sideboard tech vs test of talents at least.
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Uhhh that red dragon doesn't seem all that good. It does some extra damage, dependent on both untapping with it (or having a bunch of extra mana) and satisfying the condition of having non-creature spells to cast afterwards. It does not create any lasting, compounding advantage, unlike Moonveil Regent. There could be some ramp/mana generation combo kill that it creates, but I don't think it finds an easy home in the dragons, timewalk, or aggro decks.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Uhhh that red dragon doesn't seem all that good. It does some extra damage, dependent on both untapping with it (or having a bunch of extra mana) and satisfying the condition of having non-creature spells to cast afterwards. It does not create any lasting, compounding advantage, unlike Moonveil Regent. It could be a finisher for Turns decks but I don't know if they need it.
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fadam posted:Final Fortune sees some play in CEDH, but has that kind of effect been playable anywhere else? We've seen a few extra turn, lose after spells in Standard over the years and I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually cast them. Final Fortune sees some play in cEDH as a 2 mana instant speed extra turn. Last Chance sometimes gets played too but it's way worse because sorcery speed. This is unplayably bad imo, because if you just want a quick extra turn, you'd play Final Fortune (which can also be grabbed with Spellseeker in 1-card Spellseeker lines), but in an Izzet deck you'd probably just play the regular 5-mana warps.
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Dias posted:You saying it won't be guarantees it's gonna be banned week one It costs 3 for a near-useless clause that only matters if the opponent has Valkmira, and for 7 you just get a normal extra turn when Alrund's already exists. By exiling itself it can't be flashed back, not that it matters because you can't flashback and cleave at the same time. Alone it doesn't do anything but what the opponent wants (you losing). Final Fortune effects are by and large more interesting than good, except for Obeka commander decks.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:https://twitter.com/AfterTtv/status/1454144219816341509 Yessssssss more Castlevania references
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Dias posted:It could be a finisher for Turns decks but I don't know if they need it. The creatureless Turns deck is not going to run a 4 drop creature that only does damage.
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What was the last 4CMC+ creature that was playable in Standard that didn’t generate some amount of value ETB/was hard to remove/had haste?
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Anybody else having stability issues where the client just locks up and stops responding (but keeps playing sounds from the other player making plays/the countdown timer waiting on you to make a move)? When it happens on the phone I just kill the app and restart it and it drops me back in the app before 1 countdown timer expires, but on PC it can take forever to get back into a match. Seems to semi-randomly happen any time a series of stacked effects go off (like multiple "gain 1 life" and "put +1/+1 on this creature every time you gain life" effects going off, or multiple landfalls).
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resistentialism posted:gargaroth Excellent point. mcmagic posted:it really sucks that they aren't streaming the SCG this weekend. Ya I agree, have they said why?
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Doom whisperer was also not instant value. Kenrith also technically didn't have instant value/haste but lol Fires.
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BioThermo posted:Doom whisperer was also not instant value. Doom Whisperer is a good example, but you could technically sandbag it until you had enough mana to surveil. Near the end of its life (and all its life in HIstoric afaik) it was mostly just an un-gustable threat, which is also technically immediate value. Like you said, Kenrith quite literally did have instant value in that deck because he came in and gave all your poo poo haste/trample. If he had to untap to do it it wouldn't have been playable I think. If we take out creatures with activated abilities, is the list just Gargaroth? Maybe that Baneslayer knock-off in Dominaria standard as a SB card occasionally?
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doom whisperer had you pay life to surveil, it's instant value
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resistentialism posted:doom whisperer had you pay life to surveil, it's instant value Oh, I misremembered. Even better then.
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fadam posted:What was the last 4CMC+ creature that was playable in Standard that didn’t generate some amount of value ETB/was hard to remove/had haste? Technically, Moonveil Regent. It does have a death trigger that sometimes does something, though. And like Gargaroth, it's fast compounding advantage.
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