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Dammerung posted:So was the new antagonist's attempt to prove to Snout that she would be the better companion for him, or was she just trying to get him to wander off and die? I say this because this could have been a decent break moment. Arudak's heart is broken, Ink Witch's ship is destroyed (we can pretend it's not easy for her to put it back together if that's the case), and the vine corpse isn't in a position to be there for anybody. Add to that the obvious tension between Ink Witch and Arudak, and this could easily be a party destroying moment. What's Snout's purpose? Well, he's curious and he wants to be friends with everybody. And in this moment, perhaps he could have stepped up and held the group together. In opposition to her offer to join up with her, and leave the squabbling failures behind, he could turn his back on her and refuse to leave, holding the group together in their time of need and ensuring that they'll continue looking for Dominic's Legacy together. I think I have the answer, as often is the case, from Mookie's twitter giving context that wasn't clear at all the in the comic:  The Chandrak is giving an "interpretation" and "possible meaning" of Edit: and the book and pages represented... books Edit: lol I replaced Snout with "Mookie" again Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Also what exactly is this Roger Klotz?
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Rotten Red Rod posted:
He did an upside down snoutface
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Mookie made a "tribute" to Moebius. This and him retweeting any compliment he gets are among the things that prevent me from feeling bad about this thread. Both today's comic and this tracing make me really wish I didn't believe in safari rules deeply. I just want to know why Snout was rushing to write it down from Mookie. Billy Gnosis fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Oct 30, 2021 00:14
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to be fair, it’s not strictly all traced  Mookie also straight ignored and simplified a bunch of details from the original Rotten Red Rod posted:But did he do it justice????? friend goon, Mookie’s entire art career is an injustice SatansOnion fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Oct 30, 2021 00:22
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But did he do it justice????? Oh also he moved that one rock because drawing something in front of something else is too hard. Layers? What are those?
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Yeah it's not traced, at least there are enough differences in it that I don't think he did, but he obviously attempted to specifically redraw it. And with his supposed 20+ years of art experience, his version is still vastly inferior. He's a loving hack
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I think I have the answer, as often is the case, from Mookie's twitter giving context that wasn't clear at all the in the comic: Oh, I get it. This dialogue-free comic doesn't just need Snout writing everything down for it to be intelligible, it also needs supplementary writing from the author to make any sense. I'm glad that the comic is so effective at getting its point across.
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He literally just spent an entire chapter being bored while everyone else did the work. Like that's not even subtext or a whimsical contrarian reading or something. It's literally the entire point of an entire chapter of Legacy. I mean yeah Snout also hasn't accomplished anything by himself, with every "revelation" so far coming from something that was literally, again literally, just handed to him by one of the others. But I mean this arc is Arudak saying that he knew about a chandak that might help and Ink Witch driving them here. The only "task" Snout had during the whole arc is coming up with a name for Ink Witch and he didn't even do that.
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Wonder if he'll put these tweets in the print edition for the full experience.
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Why have I only just noticed the stubby, tiny little arm he has.
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MuddyFunster posted:Why have I only just noticed the stubby, tiny little arm he has. I believe that is called 'foreshartening'
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Yeah the problem is Snout has been given absolutely no reason whatsoever to think his friends might be holding him back. There is no actual pressure in this decision because there's no real temptation to go with what the oracle's saying. And of course Snout would never do that because Snout is a nice soft boy etc. You can't make this a decision point when you've established no conflict between "friends" and "the Legacy". Like okay, in the original Star Wars movies, Luke gets torn between what he sees as his duty to his friends and his duty as a Jedi . He leaves Yoda because he sees his friends in danger. He is told that he must destroy Vader when he wants to save Vader. Those are cases where it seems like he does have to make a hard decision and the choices he makes are important. In the Matrix the Oracle tells Neo that he is not The One, and this instils in him a certain self-doubt because his new friends are relying on him but it helps him to make an important decision. This is nothing. There is nothing at stake. There is no potential consequence for him being wrong and there is no actual burden he must undertake. You can't just say two things are conflicting, you have to actually make them conflict.
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Gonna do a tribute to Moebius by picking his most simple work ever, then simplifying it, because the cape is way too hard to draw if the archer is sitting on it and there is even a single pebble in front
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Maxwell Lord posted:Yeah the problem is Snout has been given absolutely no reason whatsoever to think his friends might be holding him back. There is no actual pressure in this decision because there's no real temptation to go with what the oracle's saying. And of course Snout would never do that because Snout is a nice soft boy etc. You can't make this a decision point when you've established no conflict between "friends" and "the Legacy". Don't forget there is also no ticking clock in this. The audience has been told he can do both, just not at the same time.
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I think two of the most striking things about Moebius are his use of perspective and shadows to create a vast sense of place. Both of which Mookie completely ignored in his "tribute".
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Turning a very stylized face into two beetles fighting on a banana peel is pretty impressive, I have to admit.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Yeah the problem is Snout has been given absolutely no reason whatsoever to think his friends might be holding him back. There is no actual pressure in this decision because there's no real temptation to go with what the oracle's saying. And of course Snout would never do that because Snout is a nice soft boy etc. You can't make this a decision point when you've established no conflict between "friends" and "the Legacy". But also he's known these people for less than a week, all three of them have been abusive to him in some form, and he just spent the entire last chapter not even being aware of their existence.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I think two of the most striking things about Moebius are his use of perspective and shadows to create a vast sense of place. Both of which Mookie completely ignored in his "tribute". Mookie's picture literally looks like the guy is inside a small room, it's incredible how much of everything Mookie is is a game of cargo-cult/telephone. He can only perceive the signifiers and not the signified.
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There's something that I love about Mookies writing. When it comes to bad writers most of them have at least some decent, or at least workable ideas. The reason their stories end up bad is because putting those ideas out there is the difficult part. Mookie on the other hand, his ideas themselves are just baffling and weird and awful they are. Like just the first chapter alone. Why introduce Snouts' quest by having him randomly stumble upon a page that just happens to contain the name of an author he likes? He has no reason to try and risk his life for the pages themselves beyond idle curiosity, and the story never establishes why he cares so much, so we have no reason to want to see him succeed. Why introduce the Ink Witch only to spend all his time with her searching for the ship, which then just beams her away? Why follow this up with the page finder nonsense? Why not have them search for the pages, or whatever McGuffins, together? Why destroy his house if it doesn't even inconvenience him, let alone give him a reason too go on a journey? Snout and Ink never have so much as a single conversation. He doesn't nurse her back too health. They don't go on an adventure together. And because of all of this they never bond, and the audience has no reason to want to see them together either as friends or as lovers. Why have it so Snout, mister Curious himself never realizes there is a town like a day or two away? Why have him act like simply checking up on the crashed ship is a huge hardship when he has no time limit? Like, this makes him look like an rear end in a top hat, "Well golly the woman I just helped out might be dead but gosh and heckin' darn it, this might make reaching a town I just heard about take five minutes long, phooey!" So you have an adventure that no one has a compelling reason to be on, one of them is an idiot and the other is manipulative. And this is the best chapter so far! It would have been so easy to fix this. Establish Snout feeling ostracized from Mongrel Town due too how they treat him for being deaf, that living by himself has developed keen survival skills and his only real possessions are a collection of books from an author he loves. Have him find a wounded Ink Witch, show how over joyed he is that her ink magic means he can finally have a proper conversation with someone, and have them bond over their mutual love of Deegans books. Have them go on a short adventure to recover some of Inks lost gear, show that between his survival skills and her magic they work well togther. And end it with Ink revealing that she is studying the legacy of Dominic Deegan and ask him to escort her to Mongrel Town since that's where the next piece of the puzzle is. Then you blow up his house! It wouldn't automatically be great, but a decent writer could establish why they are together on this journey. Even a good writer couldn't make any of these ideas work. But he didn't do any of this because he comes up with most of his ideas like two strips before he adds them, Snout didn't know about Mongrel Town because it didn't exist until it first got mentioned. The whole page finder nonsense happened because he only just came up with it, so he flings Ink Witch out of the story to make room for it. Snout never has a reason for this journey because Mookie still hasn't come up with one! Pulsarcat fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Oct 30, 2021 |
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Yes but imagine you're allergic to tension and story planning.
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quote:Why follow this up with the page finder nonsense? It was very obvious that the page finder spell wasn't meant to be Ink Witch originally but then he changed his mind and decided it was. As you point out, this is because he doesn't want to plan ahead so he can be "surprised" by each update as he draws it. The consequence of this is he changes things on the fly to suit his mood that day and it all ends up contradictory and nonsensical. We've seen the same thing in the old DD comics being posted too.
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To be fair, though, Mookie absolutely has regressed dramatically as a writer. Like as bad as Dominic Deegan was, as has been mentioned by myself and others, it was a story. A stupid story poorly told, but it was still a story. This comics is whatever you call the opposite of storytelling. And while Mookie was always making it up as he went along because he's basically doing the 'artistic' equivalent of masturbation and isn't concerned with any audience besides himself, it was very rarely as egregiously obvious in DD as it is now. This thread has argued a bit on whether or not his art has gotten worse but I don't think anyone can argue in good faith that he hasn't gotten worse as a writer/storyteller. There is no story being told here, and whatever it is that you call this nonsense, the 'writing' in it is definitely worse than it was in Dominic Deegan.
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Twelve by Pies posted:It was very obvious that the page finder spell wasn't meant to be Ink Witch originally but then he changed his mind and decided it was. As you point out, this is because he doesn't want to plan ahead so he can be "surprised" by each update as he draws it. The consequence of this is he changes things on the fly to suit his mood that day and it all ends up contradictory and nonsensical. We've seen the same thing in the old DD comics being posted too.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:To be fair, though, Mookie absolutely has regressed dramatically as a writer. Like as bad as Dominic Deegan was, as has been mentioned by myself and others, it was a story. A stupid story poorly told, but it was still a story. This comics is whatever you call the opposite of storytelling. And while Mookie was always making it up as he went along because he's basically doing the 'artistic' equivalent of masturbation and isn't concerned with any audience besides himself, it was very rarely as egregiously obvious in DD as it is now. He is absolutely worse at writing, and I think the biggest issue is that Mookie had zero passion for this story once it left Mongrel Town. Say what you will about DD, but Mookie wrote that story the same way a toddler makes diner, just tossing all of their favourite things onto a plate, then covering it in chocolate. This resulted in a damned mess, but it was a mess he liked making. There's nothing like that in Legacy, the story spends weeks if not months spinning its wheels before finally lurching forward a few inches. And nearly everything that does happen is purely related to the plot, there is virtually no world building, character moments that aren't someone being sad and getting a hug, or someone being angry and getting a stern look, or action. Like, have any of these characters ever just sat down and had a conversation? Because outside of Aurdak I have no idea why any of these characters are here. Snout is curious, but why, what is it about Dominic he finds so interesting? Ink Witch (I still love that's her official name now) is here because the Ink Witches are interested in the legacy, but why her specifically? Aw crap, I forgot vine ladies name, but why is she still tagging along, she got her....soul? back. Zereth posted:Pretty sure that wasn't her ship originally either. It absolutely wasn't or at least the ship had a completely different role, because it wasn't just a ship, because it could act independently and could even communicate. Now it's just the airship the party can summon. Pulsarcat fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Oct 31, 2021 |
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:This thread has argued a bit on whether or not his art has gotten worse but I don't think anyone can argue in good faith that he hasn't gotten worse as a writer/storyteller. There is no story being told here, and whatever it is that you call this nonsense, the 'writing' in it is definitely worse than it was in Dominic Deegan. I find it incredibly lovely that he is selling traced artwork for profit without so much as a giving credit to the original artists.
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Why are those tendrils just flopping over like banana peels, but lumpier. Who would possibly think that was an aesthetically interesting way to have the rigid geometry of the monolith collapse, they have no sense of animation whatsoever.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Mookie made a "tribute" to Moebius. This, this is the kind of thing which illustrates exactly why Mookie is such a fascinating comics creator. The ego, the foolishness, to copy one of the absolute greats and then post it on the virtual fridge in the hopes that mom will put a sticker on it... it truly amazes me, even after all these years.
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My favorite part is the infinity symbol. It has this clear "Eh, close enough." vibe.
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Mookie's going to have her gently caress him to try and make the relationships with ink mommy and corpse wife seem less weird by comparison
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to my mind, Mookie’s still too full of hangups and insecurity to draw a proper gently caress scene. remember (because I do, and misery loves company) that even his self-styled erotica is nothing but wall-to-wall limp dicks. knowing well that I may have to eat these words later, right now I don’t think he has the balls to deflower his self-insert softboy on the actual page. that said, I wouldn’t rule out some sort of “camera pans to the open window as they get it on” shenanigans
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My takeaway here is that she didn't have to bend over and vomit into his book to do the magic writing.
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