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Are you ready to acknowledge that more healthy young adults have died of Covid than have been harmed by the vaccine yet?
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Oct 30, 2021 18:15
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It would literally kill him to admit his thought process was flawed.
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Oct 30, 2021 18:18
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OnlyBans posted:How are you defining "good people" here? Generally compassionate, not prejudiced or vindictive. They’re not QAnon people baying for blood which I assume is what the person replying meant
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Oct 30, 2021 18:59
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blarzgh posted:The "Throw ourselves into a volcano while everyone is begging and screaming at us not to" religion continues to throw themselves into a volcano while everyone is begging and screaming at them not to, but you have to have sympathy for them because their aunt on Facebook posted that really there are some questions about why people who are begging and screaming at them not to throw themselves into a volcano might be biased chainchompz posted:When my chud relatives got sick with corona and hospitalized it made me realize that maybe celebrating the deaths of idiot anti-vax/anti-mask folks is a bit ghoulish, but then I realize even if they were a good person (politics aside) they still made the choice to not wear masks and/or not get vaxed this far into a pandemic where it has been crystal clear to everyone with a few brain cells to rub together that those two things are the easiest, simplest steps you can take for self preservation. Turnabout is fair play, don't moralize it as if they don't already celebrate the deaths of everyone to the left of Reagan. Or that their hero, Rush Limbaugh, didn't play obituaries of the dead during the early days of AIDS.
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Oct 30, 2021 19:07
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I'm a real bleeding heart for trying to understand people but chuds dying from being stupidly obstinate while spreading nonsense gives me a rich warm feeling. And no, it's not a good thing, oh well.
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Oct 30, 2021 19:08
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chainchompz posted:When my chud relatives got sick with corona and hospitalized it made me realize that maybe celebrating the deaths of idiot anti-vax/anti-mask folks is a bit ghoulish, but then I realize even if they were a good person (politics aside) they still made the choice to not wear masks and/or not get vaxed this far into a pandemic where it has been crystal clear to everyone with a few brain cells to rub together that those two things are the easiest, simplest steps you can take for self preservation. Turnabout is fair play, don't moralize it as if they don't already celebrate the deaths of everyone to the left of Reagan. Or that their hero, Rush Limbaugh, didn't play obituaries of the dead during the early days of AIDS. it depends on the person but i kinda hit the gently caress it point. most of my friends and family have the shot outside some of the chuddier relatives and the weird WOOO part of my family. id feel bad if some of them passed but most of them have opetunities to be better. i will be mad if my cousin dies though because she has to play beard for the dude her husband and he is a giant woo clown who i am pretty sure sells vax exemptions and poo poo because that will leave their kid without a mom. i think they will probably be fine because they are pretty healthy but still.
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:I think it’s really sick the way so many people celebrate people dying of Covid because they didn’t get a vaccine. Most of these people are middle aged or older people who fell down a rabbit hole online and are gullible about stuff they read on the internet because they didn’t grow up on it, there’s nothing funny about them dying scared and alone in a hospital bed away from their family https://youtu.be/skXaeucDYHo
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Oct 30, 2021 19:30
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if someone calls someone else either a "chud" or a "libtard" then i know to ignore them
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Oct 31, 2021 02:53
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pnac attack posted:if someone calls someone else either a "chud" or a "libtard" then i know to ignore them sup chud
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Oct 31, 2021 02:59
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America is the land of personal freedom. In that personal freedoms are the most important thing in the world. But my personal freedoms are more important than your personal freedoms. Your freedoms can't interfere with mine (your right to "not having a nutjob uncle with a handgun at the dinner table") but mine override yours (whether I think I want or don't want to do anything for Jo reason than because, even if it's detrimental to your health). Freedom is as freedom does, God Bless Bezos, may the mighty dollar shine on the Lord's land of the most freedom having freedom land, Amen. Ps: my freedom not yours.
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Oct 31, 2021 03:08
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CHUD is a wonderful term for the most pugnacious, morally bankrupt and virtue signaling conservatives out there. love it. Conservative opinion: Not all conservatives are chuds.
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Oct 31, 2021 03:19
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pnac attack posted:if someone calls someone else either a "chud" or a "libtard" then i know to ignore them Wow, in a thread about conservative opinions where people post liberal opinions, you managed to go middle of the road. Very brave, sport.
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Oct 31, 2021 03:59
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I'm an ER nurse at a major academic and regional tertiary care hospital. I do a lot of triage and I've been working pretty much every weekend for the past 4 years. Most of the staff have a lot of empathy so we really go out of our way to not make people with COVID pneumonia or respiratory failure feel even worse about themselves for not getting vaccinated. The vast majority of them are scared shitless and don't say much because of how short of breath they are. Most people do survive to discharge but they are alone the whole time and sometimes it shaves years off their lives or leaves them with disability depending on what their health was like before they caught it. What's frustrating is when everyone else who isn't that sick wants what they want and they want it now regardless of the fact that we are profoundly understaffed and responsible for the safety of everyone in the building. We were basically in chronic mass casualty mode every evening before the pandemic even started (healthcare USA has been on the highway to hell for decades). People don't seem to intuitively grasp the concept that a hospital isn't like a grocery store, restaurant, or hotel.
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Oct 31, 2021 04:10
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US Healthcare has been deliberately cut to the bone in order to enhance the profits of various companies that invest in it. Folks celebrating when a COVID patient does not receive a respirator are just playing into austerity politics. The goal is to build a healthcare system that is not based on short-term gain and investment results, though at this point whether that is possible I don’t know. You can see this profit-maximizing impulse in treatment of mental health and gender disorders in general.
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Oct 31, 2021 04:48
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kazil posted:Wow, in a thread about conservative opinions where people post liberal opinions, you managed to go middle of the road. Very brave, sport. thinking for yourself is way braver/cooler/lonelier than picking a circle to jerk in
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Oct 31, 2021 05:03
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:You can see this profit-maximizing impulse in treatment of mental health and gender disorders in general.
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Oct 31, 2021 05:45
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Is deleting all D&D and all of its offspring a conservative opinion?
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Oct 31, 2021 06:19
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Tarkus posted:CHUD is a wonderful term for the most pugnacious, morally bankrupt and virtue signaling conservatives out there. love it. Conservative opinion: Not all conservatives are chuds. Chud is a fun word to use when disparaging shitheads you hate among friends. Needlessly making enemies as a person on the left by isolating and purity-testing everyone around you is a quick trip to irrelevancy. Congratulations, you can be the most socialist socialist when they put you in a mass grave/install you in your human battery pod. You can find common ground with conservatives in many places and pull them left, even if you'll never take them further than being a socdem. PinheadSlim posted:It would literally kill him to admit his thought process was flawed. Not replying is the same as winning a debate! 
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Oct 31, 2021 06:33
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spouse posted:Chud is a fun word to use when disparaging shitheads you hate among friends. Needlessly making enemies as a person on the left by isolating and purity-testing everyone around you is a quick trip to irrelevancy. Congratulations, you can be the most socialist socialist when they put you in a mass grave/install you in your human battery pod. SA is really the only place where I still hear Chud, though I realized Facebook/twitter/Reddit were toxic shitholes beneath my attention, so maybe they still use them there. Most of my social circles use MAGAs as a short hand from Trump supporters or people who support ideologies into the radical right spectrum.
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I've been busy with my business for a while but I'd like to take the time to thank the few that put some effort into speaking to the things that I've posted in regards to the COVID vaccine recently in this thread. There is a general level of vulnerability one has to have to have a discussion like this so that others may pick at your position. I am grateful for the one or two that did so in good faith. There are two things I'd like to add to the conversation now. First: The viral load topic for those that are vaccinated and those that are not was a subject I genuinely haven't thought about. Once put to task to do some research on the subject, my wife and I had a conversation about how that's not something that you really hear in conversations with folks about the vaccine, so we did some light reading. Ironically enough, the same day my post was critiqued, there was a study published from the UK that claimed that there is no difference in viral load between those that have been fully vaccinated and those that have received no vaccination. In addition, there seems to be no difference in viral load between those that are asymptomatic and those that have manifested severe symptoms. There is more reading to be done on the subject to be sure, and I'm sure the study needs to be performed again, but at first glance it seems that the viral load of vaccinated persons isn't a reason in itself to get a vaccine for COVID, at least as far as protecting others is concerned. Second: The only argument one has to try to make someone get the COVID vaccine nowadays is for the protection of the person that is unvaccinated. It has been quite a long time since the vaccines were available to get, so those that are not vaccinated right now are unvaccinated by choice. The only exceptions are those that are unable to receive one due to medical condition (of which they would take their own precautions despite not being able to get the vaccine) and those that are unable to get the vaccine from being too young (which there are hardly any deaths or long-term side effects from what I've read/heard, since the young are overall healthier than adults and more able to bounce back from the condition.) Since pretty much most adults that haven't been vaccinated haven't been vaccinated of their own free will, why do people still feel so angry/aggressive about the subject? If the vaccine protects you, then you're protected. If everyone can have the vaccine, then everyone can be protected. Since people are choosing not to get the vaccine for whatever reason, gently caress them, right? It's their choice to die and suffer and they're stupid and awful and they deserved it, right? So why haven't all the restrictions in the country been lifted? Anyone can get the vaccine and be protected any time they decide to get the vaccine. I'm genuinely curious as to why folks are so angry about this at this point in time. You're protected if you got the vaccine. Live your life! If you're concerned with others then you'll continue to change the unvaccinated minds, or you'll ignore them as they deserve to die regardless.
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Oct 31, 2021 07:16
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Vaccinations don't make you permanently immune. The idea is you reduce your risk, and the risk of those around you. If you happen to have Covid there is a chance that you can make people around you sick still. I'm immunocompromised and there's a very high chance that it would kill me. Vaccines are not "get a jab and you're fine forever", nor is it a pointless exercise. It's a thing were people can protect themselves but need to work together towards a common goal (don't die) in order to have success. Again, not wearing a mask or not getting the vaccine does not just affect that person. It can affect people who are at risk, or who cannot medically get the vaccine (there are legitimate reasons and shocker those people aren't fans that they are at risk). Look up herd immunity. If they were just dying it'd be dumb. They still insist on risking the health of those around them.
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edit: nvm i'm not doing this one. I'll end up doomposting.
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Oct 31, 2021 08:00
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ninjoatse.cx posted:SA is really the only place where I still hear Chud, though I realized Facebook/twitter/Reddit were toxic shitholes beneath my attention, so maybe they still use them there. Maga sounds stupid, and also it's what they themselves call themselves, so... Chud, on the other hand, has that crispy, punchy sound of a real expletive - and who cares if your aunt on Facebook doesn't use it.
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:US Healthcare has been deliberately cut to the bone in order to enhance the profits of various companies that invest in it. Folks celebrating when a COVID patient does not receive a respirator are just playing into austerity politics. The goal is to build a healthcare system that is not based on short-term gain and investment results, though at this point whether that is possible I don’t know. You can see this profit-maximizing impulse in treatment of mental health and gender disorders in general. You just cannot help attacking trans people, can you?
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Probably shouldn't be replying to this, but, just lmao at the idea that doctors are forcing medical transition onto people for money. Just talk to literally any trans person about their experience trying to get medical care. Also my pills cost me around 50 cents a day. It's generic medicine that has existed for a long time. My doctor is a GP who makes 30 dollars per appointment (right now, for me, every 6 months), and there can be a super long wait time because very few doctors are willing to provide transition related care. Nobody's really raking in the big bucks here. The outcomes are also ridiculously positive. It's like saying there's a conspiracy by doctors to sell snake venom antidote. e: You're imagining a big gender pipeline when my experience has been a patchwork network of support systems held up by a lot of volunteers that can easily fall apart if the wrong person retires or the political environment changes. Dr. Stab fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Oct 31, 2021 |
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Oct 31, 2021 13:30
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I was trying to give scorcher the benefit of doubt that they weren't going there, but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they meant.
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Oct 31, 2021 14:23
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This has probably already been said but guns are cool and I’m glad they are allowed here
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Oct 31, 2021 14:58
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pnac attack posted:"it's actually cool and good when anyone who disagrees with me dies" - calm, rational person with moral high ground
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Oct 31, 2021 15:39
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I've been wondering, how many chud deaths do I have to celebrate before I turn from a ghoul to a ghast?
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Oct 31, 2021 15:44
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Sometimes skateboarding is a crime
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Oct 31, 2021 15:46
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i fuckin hate taxes the govt is a blood sucking parasite stealing from its citizens and wildly misappropriating its ill gotten gains
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ninjoatse.cx posted:SA is really the only place where I still hear Chud, though I realized Facebook/twitter/Reddit were toxic shitholes beneath my attention, so maybe they still use them there. I still see chud a lot on Facebook and Twitter, though I also see MAGAs slot. steinrokkan posted:Maga sounds stupid, and also it's what they themselves call themselves, so... Yeah, chud just works way way better. spouse posted:Chud is a fun word to use when disparaging shitheads you hate among friends. Needlessly making enemies as a person on the left by isolating and purity-testing everyone around you is a quick trip to irrelevancy. Congratulations, you can be the most socialist socialist when they put you in a mass grave/install you in your human battery pod.
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Depending on where you are in the country it's not the white conservative chud making up the majority of the anti-vax casualties. There is a significant and loud section of them where I live, but here in Socal there's also a huge minority population resisting as well. Realize when you're cheering on that death you're also cheering on the deaths of that section of the populace as well. The national framing of the vaccine fight isn't always how it shakes out on the ground in some regions. EDIT: If you want to see the numbers https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/cont...20Ethnicity.pdf nvidiagouge fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Oct 31, 2021 |
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Oct 31, 2021 16:44
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1) the study you read considered only about 600 people, within their own households, where people are all unmasked and in close contact, and it still found that vaccines reduced both contraction and transmission of the virus by 20-30% in the most aggressive of circumstances for transmission. 2)It also studied the Delta variant, explaining that the vaccine works much better against alpha variants. The more transmissible Delta exists precisely because the population did not commit to lockdown and vaccination in time. An even better reason to get vaccinated if you're "healthy and young" is to help prevent potentially more dangerous, transmissible evolutions of the virus. There's a reason people who think these things you've posted are out on an island. It's because they're fundamentally wrong, selfish, and prone to only inform themselves of the facts they want to believe, and ignore ones they don't, like you did with your study.
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Oct 31, 2021 19:00
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nvidiagouge posted:Depending on where you are in the country it's not the white conservative chud making up the majority of the anti-vax casualties. There is a significant and loud section of them where I live, but here in Socal there's also a huge minority population resisting as well. Realize when you're cheering on that death you're also cheering on the deaths of that section of the populace as well. The national framing of the vaccine fight isn't always how it shakes out on the ground in some regions. Yeah the consensus among people online is that the maga antivax protesters are representative of unvaccinated people as a whole which is absolutely not the case if you actually look at the data
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Oct 31, 2021 19:11
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:Yeah the consensus among people online is that the maga antivax protesters are representative of unvaccinated people as a whole which is absolutely not the case if you actually look at the data They are still selfish morons, so….
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:Yeah the consensus among people online is that the maga antivax protesters are representative of unvaccinated people as a whole which is absolutely not the case if you actually look at the data If you gathered up all the anti-vaxx/vaxx resistors and put them in front of the lefties who want the anti-vaxxers dead, you would think that those lefties were KKK members calling for the deaths of everyone who doesn't pass the paperbag test. There's a distinct racial whiff to the whole anti-vaxx vs pro-vaxx. I'm not white and I have felt it from white liberals in my part of the country. HIJK fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Oct 31, 2021 |
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