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So it seems like standard is just going to be upgraded versions of the 3 already dominant decks. Green gets a pushed 1 drop, white gets Thalia, Izzet gets abrade and even more card selection. I don't see any cards that will effect that or even spawn new tier 1 decks.
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Nov 1, 2021 19:54
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A onedrop wolf might make the wolves deck playable in standard now? It's a drat shame it isn't a werewolf though, a turn 1 daybound creature is deeply needed.
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Nov 1, 2021 19:55
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Bram stoker dracula is out of copyright or whatever right? So they don’t have to pay for this like the godzilla stuff I assume
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Nov 1, 2021 19:56
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This could've been a Castlevania set and I'm just so sad it's not
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Nov 1, 2021 19:57
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TBH I'm starting to think they should've pushed Return to Return to Innistrad back a bit so that it wasn't in the same standard with ZNR/KHM/STX with all the DFCs. I mean, it's an ok and somewhat novel design space, I get that they wanted the ZNR/KHM/STX to have a common mechanic and all that, but after the vampire wedding drops into standard there'll be 5 out of 6 sets with DFCs that all work somewhat differently and it's already feeling a little  Thankfully the STX wall of text deans and whatever are mostly poo poo but it's a bit much when everything is actually two things or becomes a different thing when someone does X or comes back from the gy as a different thing and so on and so on. I think the land/spell ones were the best implementation and a lot of the designs after those have just been overtly complex without a payoff that would justify the complexity.
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Nov 1, 2021 20:04
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Fish Of Doom posted:I don't see any cards that will effect that or even spawn new tier 1 decks. Here's 5 cards with a chance to do just that:     
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Nov 1, 2021 20:04
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fadam posted:What's the point of the Pact of the Titan in the Belcher lists? I'm not a belcher player, but I think it's because Pact + Infernal plunge costs 2 cards but gets you 3 mana for 1 mana, and that lets you go off a turn sooner. Let's say your t1 is a tapland, and your t2 is a boltland + ritual + manamorphose into recross the paths. If you stack your library for: reforge the soul shatterskull smashing pact of the titan infernal plunge pyretic/desperate ritual irencrag feat belcher you can cast + trigger belcher right there, whereas without pact + plunge you'd either need to start the turn with another ritual in hand or you'd need to wait an extra turn + stack the deck differently to make sure you had at least 3 lands in play when you miracled reforge.
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Nov 1, 2021 20:06
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Absolutely guaranteed to make an entertaining SaffronOlive video. With a deck that is mostly lands and has Valakut The Molten Pinnacle, you could blow someone up the moment you play this. The Shortest Path posted:A onedrop wolf might make the wolves deck playable in standard now? Reckless Waif was able to dunk on decks that didn't have one-drops. I'm pretty sure they decided that a Daybound one-drop would be too good against slow decks, but now Werewolf aggro is completely unplayable.
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Nov 1, 2021 20:24
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Thanks all for the explanation! For a card that DOES work like you're thinking of, check out something like Druagr Necromancer. If you have one in play and exile some creatures with ice counters on them, then your Necromancer dies, you can't play the creatures from exile anymore. But if you get another Necromancer on the board you can, because all it looks for is exiled cards with ice counters on them, and doesn't care how they got there. Personally I think it's bad design to switch back and forth between methods like that in the same standard, even if it does change the card power level slightly.
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Nov 1, 2021 20:24
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Never in my life did I think that Recross the Paths would become a 4-of in any deck, never mind one that's getting top 8 in Modern events.
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Nov 1, 2021 20:25
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BioThermo posted:I'm not a belcher player, but I think it's because Pact + Infernal plunge costs 2 cards but gets you 3 mana for 1 mana, and that lets you go off a turn sooner. Let's say your t1 is a tapland, and your t2 is a boltland + ritual + manamorphose into recross the paths. If you stack your library for: Cool, that makes sense. Ty!
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Nov 1, 2021 20:25
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GonSmithe posted:Ok I like a lot of the Dracula cards (especially Thalia), but if 60% of the cards are just going to be Dracula in different poses, maybe we should have chosen a different theme guys. I agree that they should have done Twilight instead, especially with this being a wedding themed set.
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Nov 1, 2021 20:47
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Lone Goat posted:not excited about a 7 drop that requires me to have even more lands in hand to do anything worthwhile This card is basically “draw until you have X nonlands in hand where X is the number of cards in hand.” You’re guaranteed to keep the same hand size only you get to turn all your land cards into gas.
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Nov 1, 2021 20:52
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Some of those dracula card come close to my list of "I wish it was legendary so I could run it as commander" cards. Not at Mothra tier at least.
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Nov 1, 2021 20:59
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TheKingofSprings posted:This could've been a Castlevania set and I'm just so sad it's not Did you not see the floating eye and the Ayumi Kojima Sorin that's just Alucard? Edit: and I hold firm that the Stowaway werewolf from MID is a reference to Cornell
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Nov 1, 2021 21:04
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I almost get the feeling that everyone just wanted to do the vampire wedding set creatively and the werewolf set was just a bunch of extra poo poo added in to balance it out/create an extra product.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:05
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Arivia posted:I almost get the feeling that everyone just wanted to do the vampire wedding set creatively and the werewolf set was just a bunch of extra poo poo added in to balance it out/create an extra product. Creatively Bankrupt WOTC couldn't get the rights to Werewolf Barmitzvah
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Nov 1, 2021 21:07
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BioThermo posted:I'm not a belcher player, but I think it's because Pact + Infernal plunge costs 2 cards but gets you 3 mana for 1 mana, and that lets you go off a turn sooner. Let's say your t1 is a tapland, and your t2 is a boltland + ritual + manamorphose into recross the paths. If you stack your library for: Just FYI because I was thinking about how useless the Pact of Negations seem when you can't reliably protect Belcher with them after Irencrag Feat: you can Reforge into a sequence that can be protected with Pact after the Reforge (you can always Pact to protect Reforge if you started the turn with it in your hand from before). I think this is the actual sequence you want: Start turn 3 mana, Reforge (1 mana remaining) Pact of the Titan Infernal Plunge (3 mana) Land or Pyretic Ritual (4 mana) Desperate Ritual splicing Desperate Ritual (6 mana) Desperate Ritual #2 (7 mana) Belcher Pact of Negation
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Nov 1, 2021 21:08
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 Edgar's Awakening 3BB Sorcery Uncommon Return target creature from your graveyard to the battlefield Whenever you discard Edgar's Awakening, you may pay B. If you do, return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:08
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AlternateNu posted:This card is basically “draw until you have X nonlands in hand where X is the number of cards in hand.” Yeah, but how often do you cast a seven-drop and have extra lands in hand?
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Nov 1, 2021 21:12
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Along with the lands, we have, in no particular order Power cards: Olivia, Cultivator Colossus, Ascendant Packleader, Dig Up, Thalia, Overcharged Amalgam, Voldaren Bloodcaster, WW ajani's pridemate spirit cleric, Ulvenwald Oddity, Abrade Meta dependent or unsure of if they are power cards: Sorin, Chandra, Cemetery Prowler, Falkenwrath Forebear, Alchemist's Gambit (if bans), Dread Fugue, Runo Stromkirk, Archghoul of Thraben, Vampire's Vengeance, Dominating Vampire, Inspired Idea Ascendant Packleader and Thalia are the only cards guaranteed to see a lot of play. Abrade and the pridemate both are pretty likely to.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:13
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The Shortest Path posted:The art director for this set really knocked it out of the park, as did the artists. Agreed. I felt much of the criticism of the art direction around bfz to Ixalan was justified, although the worlds had a definite look the way it was portrayed was very samey. They do seem more and more to be expanding out again, a few sets ago it was just Seb doing abstract crazy stuff but now we are really getting some more diversity of styles.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:19
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Cultivator Colossus is very cool. I could see it being playable, that's a hell of an effect. It's pretty bad actually. I don't think it's playable at all. Doesn't protect itself and only good if you have 7 mana PLUS a few lands in hand? That never happens. I actually don't like this card..... I mean it's FINE as a 2/1 for 1 but you also play it on T1 and it doesn't trigger till T4? Meh.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:23
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mcmagic posted:It's pretty bad actually. I don't think it's playable at all. Doesn't protect itself and only good if you have 7 mana PLUS a few lands in hand? That never happens. It's obviously not generically good, but I could see a deck cheating it into play, comboing with it, and/or being an over 30 land ramp deck. The effect is extremely powerful, even if it's very hard to use on a 7 drop. quote:I actually don't like this card..... I mean it's FINE as a 2/1 for 1 but you also play it on T1 and it doesn't trigger till T4? Meh. Green doesn't have any one drops as aggressive as a savannah lions with some later upside. I agree it's not incredible, but I think that's enough.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:35
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Strong Sauce posted:Edgar's Awakening 3BB Seems like a pretty aggressively costed madness effect? I'd at least happily draft it in a deck that had a good supply of blood tokens.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:35
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disaster pastor posted:Yeah, but how often do you cast a seven-drop and have extra lands in hand? Who says you're casting it? It's an ETB, not a cast trigger. 
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Nov 1, 2021 21:35
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Ultima66 posted:Just FYI because I was thinking about how useless the Pact of Negations seem when you can't reliably protect Belcher with them after Irencrag Feat: you can Reforge into a sequence that can be protected with Pact after the Reforge (you can always Pact to protect Reforge if you started the turn with it in your hand from before). I think this is the actual sequence you want: Why pact of the titan over memnite or ornithopter?
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Nov 1, 2021 21:36
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Strong Sauce posted:
Cute. Maybe a Madness-adjacent theme?
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Nov 1, 2021 21:37
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Why pact of the titan over memnite or ornithopter? I am only familiar with the deck through looking at a list and also watching a little bit of a different variation being played so I don't know the ins and outs of it exactly, but from what I can tell Pact being pitchable to Fury is the big reason.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:40
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Some cute jank. And then:  If toxrill survives to your end step, the opponents board is is now 1/1 with no abilities.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:43
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Why pact of the titan over memnite or ornithopter? You can pitch Pact to Fury
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Nov 1, 2021 21:43
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Ultima66 posted:I am only familiar with the deck through looking at a list and also watching a little bit of a different variation being played so I don't know the ins and outs of it exactly, but from what I can tell Pact being pitchable to Fury is the big reason. Makes sense, thanks. Unless kobolds of kher keep are legal...
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Nov 1, 2021 21:43
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Nov 1, 2021 21:44
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Bugsy posted:Some cute jank. Build your own Humility
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Nov 1, 2021 21:47
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Has to be some sort of janky combo involving this a Ballista and something else in the yard.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:53
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Silhouette posted:Build your own Humility Overwhelming Splendor is an 8-mana effect. I like the idea of slime tribal being playable, maybe we'll get more of these. fadam posted:Has to be some sort of janky combo involving this a Ballista and something else in the yard. Morselhoarder and Devoted Druid gives infinite mana.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:57
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https://twitter.com/MTGGoldfish/status/1455282053096910856 I miss Assemble the Legion....
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Nov 1, 2021 22:16
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mcmagic posted:It's pretty bad actually. I don't think it's playable at all. Doesn't protect itself and only good if you have 7 mana PLUS a few lands in hand? That never happens. Agreed. In a format where Fading Hope is heavily played, Cultivator Colossus is pretty unplayable. You pretty much need an extra land in hand to even get value, otherwise it's just a big creature. It's the same reason Cyclone Summoner got pushed out. Your 7 mana play needs to win the game, not just be a big conditional value creature. Wrenn and Seven creates almost the same creature and it costs 2 less.
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GonSmithe posted:Ok I like a lot of the Dracula cards (especially Thalia), but if 60% of the cards are just going to be Dracula in different poses, maybe we should have chosen a different theme guys. Think it would have been cool to do draculas castle as a land, but alas
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