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Flakey posted:Sardaukar disguised as Harkonnen didn't really come up, nor did the fact that House Atreides soldiers were getting awfully close to being as good as the Sardaukar. In the book this is one of the reasons the Emperor and the Baron go after the Duke. Overall the movie could have done with way more intrigue and less action I think. Cutting out the Sardaukar's Harkonnen disguises didn't bother me at all since it fooled absolutely nobody in the book. The Barron saying theres "no satellites over Dune, they'll die in the dark" or whatever also covers it. old beast lunatic fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Nov 1, 2021 |
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YoursTruly posted:I remember playing the Dune (1992) game on SEGA. I just read through the Wikipedia summary of the gameplay, and it sounds really cool! All I remember was talking to a bunch of palace advisors, flying to a sietch, maybe yes or maybe no recruiting them, and then walking on foot to the nearest Harkonnen fortress alone and getting killed. The animation of turning into a skeleton in the desert was it's a great game 
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Imagined posted:This was my biggest problem with the new movie, too. I liked how she had a very private breakdown moment for a second and then emerged into the next room calm as hundu cow. she put it together is what i mean
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Nov 1, 2021 21:15
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Earwicker posted:are there any rumors about who is playing feyd rautha in part 2? soooooo the spiciest rumor I've heard is Barry Keoghan, which would be both weird and kind of awesome
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Nov 1, 2021 21:21
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Vampire Panties posted:If you had to choose between one lynch thing for new Dunc bug juicebox
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:bug juicebox I have high hopes for Part 2
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Nov 1, 2021 21:24
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Dave Bautista just straight up biting off the head of a muad'dib.
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No Mods No Masters posted:I think that's the best evidence for part 2 gurney/thufir maybe being cut. If you were going to do their part 2 subplots you would want to have some stinger to help the audience remember they exist. 2 years is a long time part 2 spoilers/speculation gurney will be back. hawat didn't have a massive role in this so I wouldn't be surprised if he was cut
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Nov 1, 2021 21:28
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:I liked how she had a very private breakdown moment for a second and then emerged into the next room calm as hundu cow. she put it together is what i mean she permitted herself to freak out for a bit
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Nov 1, 2021 21:33
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her son was quite possibly going to get murdered in the next room and if he did she was going to have to just suck it up. little stressful even for a highly disciplined witchypoo.
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Nov 1, 2021 21:37
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sebmojo posted:she permitted herself to freak out for a bit yeah exactly and they wouldn't need a litany against fear if they didn't sometimes feel overwhelming fear She had gone against the wishes of her order in bearing a son, and that son was probably about to die in the next room
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I want a modern 3D Dune RTS in DUNC style with a fancy Ordos faction but instead of tanks you just have giant Total War blocks of guys with swords. Also laser frigates.
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Shageletic posted:Anyone else think the Baron in his out of focus rising up like a snake thing remind you of Leto II, worm king and fake dong extraordinaire? The Baron's snake body is actually just a bunch of Tleilaxlu stacked in a row under the robe
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Nov 1, 2021 21:55
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yeah i thought it seemed very obvious that jessica was nervous because she had gone against the order than trained her in a pretty huge way and also because her family was now in immense danger its definitely a little more clear in the lynch version in her dialog with the bene gesserit mother but i thought the point still came across well enough in the new one
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This is someone who sits for hours every day for her entire life practicing like precisely controlling the muscle behind her left ear. She can literally stop breathing and go into a trance on command. She can manipulate processes inside her body at the molecular level. Her control of her body is complete and total, even if her control of her emotions is not. So she might be freaking out internally, but you're not going to SEE that unless you are also a BG.
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Na'at posted:I really wanted to like this movie but it was as bland as washing white bread down with water. I get not wanting to go crazy with exposition but unless you go in to this knowing all about the universe there's so much to pick apart in this I can't understand who it's meant to appeal to. The sardukar were BARELY incognito in the book like toddlers in a trenchcoat levels of believable disguise. Literally the thinnest credulity stretching facade, and every survivor had no delusions about who they'd really fought. They expected to wipe everyone the gently caress out; there was no reason for deep cover and that's the stuff moviegoers care about least too like someone that doesnt know what Dune is got a weird but cool sci fi epic and Dune fans got a coherent, not-poo poo film adaptation of Dune that loses a lot in its drive to streamline itself for the medium, but is made with more care and craft than any of what came before. I will stan the Lynch movie in a lot of ways on many grounds but this is the better movie and your poo poo feels kinda contrarian and most charitably you're absolutely digging to justify your subjective takeaway but you stand out like sardukar pretending to be harkonen i guess vOv
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sebmojo posted:i think it still works because there's a sense of immense subtlety in the characters' relationships with each other, like when the Herald arrives and it's obvious dune's the most poisoned of chalices, just from glances and line readings. Went tonight with a friend, afterwards she specifically brought the "It's done then?" as the Duke being executed. She's not read the book or seen any of the other adaptations, so only had the film to go on. There's lots of depth if you look for it. Panfilo posted:The scene I really missed from the Lynch version was the Navigator talking with the Emperor. Watching it now I crack up at the parting lines from the navigator, "I did not say that, I was not here." like this cronenberg thing in a huge tank is gonna keep this poo poo on the down low when people start asking questions. I take it that scene wasn't in the book either. I know it was overly expository, but it did a good job of establishing how the Emperor of the Known Universe is still the Spacing Guilds bitch since Empy was trying really hard to reassure them everything is okay. Basically everything with the guild in the book - other than they control space flight - is set up for a reveal later on that they are reliant on spice. Oddly enough, there's a few instances in the new film of telling where the book shows - eg, Paul works out the Fremen method of moving in the desert from observation in the book, but is told it by a holovid in the film.
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Imagined posted:This is someone who sits for hours every day for her entire life practicing like precisely controlling the muscle behind her left ear. She can literally stop breathing and go into a trance on command. She can manipulate processes inside her body at the molecular level. Her control of her body is complete and total, even if her control of her emotions is not. So she might be freaking out internally, but you're not going to SEE that unless you are also a BG. That works all well and good when described on paper, but having her stand there like an emotionless automaton on screen would convey the wrong idea. There needs to be some kind of visible reaction. The movie also tones down or leaves unspoken exactly how much physiological control BG training affords people, so it's not necessarily the extreme extent that the book describes.
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Nov 1, 2021 22:46
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Imagined posted:This is someone who sits for hours every day for her entire life practicing like precisely controlling the muscle behind her left ear. She can literally stop breathing and go into a trance on command. She can manipulate processes inside her body at the molecular level. Her control of her body is complete and total, even if her control of her emotions is not. So she might be freaking out internally, but you're not going to SEE that unless you are also a BG. Says you Anyway, no one DID see it, she was alone Also, movies are a visual medium. The sort of poo poo you're talking about is why dune was thought to be unfilmable. And it IS if you follow the book too slavishly. Audiences must be shown things or it's an audiobook
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I think 'someone successfully controlling their intense emotions through extreme self-discipline but expending immense effort to do so' is something we've seen in film or television many times before. The Jessica in this film did not appear to be in control of anything. Hell I would've preferred something like Donnie Yen's character in 'Rogue One' at that point. Just repeating the litany again and again and again until it becomes obvious that they're trying to convince themselves it's doing something as much as actually invoking any actual power.
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Imagined posted:I think 'someone successfully controlling their intense emotions through extreme self-discipline but expending immense effort to do so' is something we've seen in film or television many times before. The Jessica in this film did not appear to be in control of anything. i strongly disagree with this. she was a picture of composure pretty much whenever she needed to be. shes not a god damned vulcan and can display emotion sometimes. punishedkissinger fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Nov 1, 2021 |
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The one time I thought they were pushing it with Jessica is the scene right before Leto asks her to take care of Paul once he’s dead. She basically has a complete meltdown in the hall on her way to him, provoked by nothing in particular, leading to nothing in particular. It’s like they thought we’d forget she feels bad about her baby daddy being doomed. Also “that was insane”. poo poo line, poo poo delivery. Up there with Francesca Annis’ “why did it leave? ;_;”
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Yep. If the BG are good at anything, it ought to be having the greatest poker faces in the universe outside maybe actual facedancers.
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Imagined posted:Yep. If the BG are good at anything, it ought to be having the greatest poker faces in the universe outside maybe actual facedancers. Being good at something doesn't mean you do it all the time, like when you are alone or with family in your own home, for example
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So one thing i dont understand just generally even in the book is why did Leto have to move his entire house to Arrakis? The Harkonen clearly ruled it from Geidi Prime for decades if not centuries.
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punishedkissinger posted:whats going on with mentats anyway? space drugs?
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Burns posted:So one thing i dont understand just generally even in the book is why did Leto have to move his entire house to Arrakis? The Harkonen clearly ruled it from Geidi Prime for decades if not centuries. It’s ok to be an absentee landlord if you’ve owned the place for 80 years and have set up a ruthless military regime to run the place in your absenteeism. But probably you’d want to go there and take personal charge to set that up. Especially if the emperor personally told you to. Also, in the book, the fief of Caladan is specifically stripped from them and given to Fenring. Who ironically never bothers to show up because it has nothing worthwhile relative to his position as the emperors knife hand.
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Imagined posted:This is someone who sits for hours every day for her entire life practicing like precisely controlling the muscle behind her left ear. She can literally stop breathing and go into a trance on command. She can manipulate processes inside her body at the molecular level. Her control of her body is complete and total, even if her control of her emotions is not. So she might be freaking out internally, but you're not going to SEE that unless you are also a BG. Having people on the screen showing no emotion probably would not be very successful
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The Bloop posted:Says you And even DV has to cheat a little and get Zimmer to put a bit of narration in the soundtrack.
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It also fits movie Jessica’s character well I agree that if we followed book Jessica she would have just stood there with no emotional displays Unless I forget the book
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I don't get the criticism about Jessica being too emotional. She only lets her guard down when she's either in private or with a close family member. You've got to consider the position she's in throughout the movie. Up front she almost loses her son and is all but disavowed by the organization she was raised in. She knows what's likely to happen with the move to Arrakis and that she's likely to lose everyone and everything she cares about (and does with the exception of Paul.) She then later breaks down after the fall when its obvious the love of her life is dead. The movie doesn't have the inner monologues the book. How else are you going to see the inner turmoil unless the actor emotes it? Maybe I'm just being defensive of the movie, but I feel like people would be complaining like she was an emotionless ice queen if she didn't feel what was going on around her at all. For me it was a welcome change from prior adaptations (although even those had emotional moments for Jessica, too;) but, I think what might be different here, is that Jessica has a larger focus than in some of those versions.
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Imagined posted:This is someone who sits for hours every day for her entire life practicing like precisely controlling the muscle behind her left ear. She can literally stop breathing and go into a trance on command. She can manipulate processes inside her body at the molecular level. Her control of her body is complete and total, even if her control of her emotions is not. So she might be freaking out internally, but you're not going to SEE that unless you are also a BG. I think you should keep in mind that, while she is a BG, she's not a reverend mother at this point. She hasn't unlocked her upper tier abilities, in other words.
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maybe there could be a voiceover as she stands there where she says 'i am feeling very distraught right now'
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Also Jessica isn't a reverend mother yet in the movie. It may be that she's less emotive once she becomes sayadina. E: beaten
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Mozi posted:maybe there could be a voiceover as she stands there where she says 'i am feeling very distraught right now' hah, yeah i don't know how you explain what's happening without a bunch of lame exposition or a voice over if she goes into prana bindu mode.
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It was good to have someone give a recognizably human, emotional performance in the movie full of space weirdos. It fell to a woman so the usual Skylar arguments are going to have to play out
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The prana bindu stuff would be awesome to film, you could go full nature documentary, actually show her breathing slowing or metabolism shifting or whatever. It would fit with this movie’s eye for small water details like the drops on muad’dib’s ears or in the stilltent. https://youtu.be/JqBEMza8msw
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It's funny that someone said she isn't a Vulcan, because for one thing  Vulcans are not emotionless. They experience extreme emotions, but control them. A good cinematic model of someone with intense discipline barely controlling themselves would be the episode of TNG where Sarek the Vulcan ambassador is experiencing Bendii Syndrome and struggling to contain his emotions.
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Imagined posted:It's funny that someone said she isn't a Vulcan, because for one thing I wish I could give a post a wedgie
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