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I think its wild that they needed to put the sacrifice clause into the 4 mana enchantment that spits out 1/1s, as if the huge danger is that someone will get to dome the opponent for 7 on more than one occasion with exactly 13 permanents
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mandatory lesbian posted:Think it would have been cool to do draculas castle as a land, but alas They did! 
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Nov 1, 2021 22:25
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a 1/1 white human token, a 1/1/ red human token, a 1/1 green white human soldier w/ training [walk into a bar].
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Nov 1, 2021 22:37
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Thalia, Ascendent Packleader, Abrade, Manaform Hellkite, and Voice of the Blessed are the only cards I think are guaranteed to see standard play. Path of Peril, Ulvenwald Oddity, Sorin, Cemetary Prowler, Inspired Idea, Ollenbock Escort, Syncopate, Packsong Pup, and Lantern Flair are maybes. I would love to live in a world where Overcharged Alagam is playable in some kind of dimir sacrifice shell, but the black sac decks have not been great post-rotation.
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Nov 1, 2021 22:41
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Reminder that see standard play includes standard post rotation next year. We haven’t seen ohhhh uhhhh 80 percent of the cards for that standard yet
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Nov 1, 2021 22:58
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fadam posted:Has to be some sort of janky combo involving this a Ballista and something else in the yard. Dig up any of the ol necrotic ooze combos.
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Nov 1, 2021 23:03
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Bugsy posted:They did! Heck yeah
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Nov 1, 2021 23:05
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I sold all my old magic cards and was thinking of spending a bit of that money picking up a couple of decks just to play around with my friend who played back in the day. I admit to being incredibly dumb but I can't really figure out where to start now. I started playing magic when we picked up two random 60 card decks, but now you can buy prebuilt or something called commander? I've read a few getting started guides or what's on the MTG website but it's not really clear.
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Nov 1, 2021 23:24
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 Reprint of Hero's Downfall from Theros. Now Uncommon vs Rare
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Dreylad posted:I sold all my old magic cards and was thinking of spending a bit of that money picking up a couple of decks just to play around with my friend who played back in the day. I admit to being incredibly dumb but I can't really figure out where to start now. I started playing magic when we picked up two random 60 card decks, but now you can buy prebuilt or something called commander? I've read a few getting started guides or what's on the MTG website but it's not really clear. If you've got yourself and 3+ other friends I'd definitely recommend some Commander Preconstructed decks and learning commander for 4 player games. If it's just a couple of you, I'd recommend something called the Pioneer Challenger Decks, they're made for 1v1. Or just buying a booster box and playing limited.
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Nov 1, 2021 23:34
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Dreylad posted:I sold all my old magic cards and was thinking of spending a bit of that money picking up a couple of decks just to play around with my friend who played back in the day. I admit to being incredibly dumb but I can't really figure out where to start now. I started playing magic when we picked up two random 60 card decks, but now you can buy prebuilt or something called commander? I've read a few getting started guides or what's on the MTG website but it's not really clear. there are a lot of formats these days (both official and unofficial) because there's a LOT of cards out there and having ways to cut down the size of card availability leads to variety in gameplay. commander, specifically, is a very popular format meant to be played in long, 4 player sessions where everyone has a legendary creature as commander they can play repeatedly (with escalating cost) and the rest of the deck is singleton (restricted to the colors of said commander). it's pretty fun and you sure can just play it 1v1 if you want really it depends on if you're planning on playing with anyone other than your friend b/c if you just want to play them with a bunch of random cards regardless of their individual legality you can just do that with whatever you pick up (but imo you probably should've figured out what cards you'd want to keep out of your old collection in that case)
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Dreylad posted:I sold all my old magic cards and was thinking of spending a bit of that money picking up a couple of decks just to play around with my friend who played back in the day. I admit to being incredibly dumb but I can't really figure out where to start now. I started playing magic when we picked up two random 60 card decks, but now you can buy prebuilt or something called commander? I've read a few getting started guides or what's on the MTG website but it's not really clear. So there are different formats but Commander is kind of its own separate thing where its 100-cards and they all have to be unique except for basic lands. I don't play much of that but people say its fun but also you'd probably want more than 2 people playing. Generally if you want to play with your friend with preconstructed decks kinda thing you'd play some format like Modern, Pioneer, or Standard which is the same type of MTG you're probably familiar with. The restrictions in those formats is generally what sets you can use. Since you're playing casually that kinda stuff doesn't matter too much. If you're interested in the formats I think there are some descriptions in the OP. There are a lot of options if you're just playing casual... if you want a preconstructed deck that's not commander they have challenger decks.. an example is here: https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/B6C30FCB-3335-4C21-9A79-03103D50279D I'm not sure of their prices but I think mostly Amazon is a little bit more expensive but probably the easiest way to buy these. They also recently released Pioneer Decks that have slightly better cards but are more expensive: https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/99005063-9242-4BE7-896B-DB0AD3A377C5?ingress=0&visitId=492db7b5-63a1-45bc-a7bf-f761664fcc28 There actually is one more sort of "format" called Jumpstart that lets you combine 2 20-card packs that are filled with lands/creatures/spells to let you play a 40-card game just by shuffling two packs together. If you don't want to buy an entire box, they sell a 4-pack that you can buy to play against another opponent. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B084P3L4R7/
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Nov 1, 2021 23:39
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Strong Sauce posted:
Poor Odric, always playing second fiddle to Thalia and went out as some vampire's hors d'oeuvre.
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Nov 1, 2021 23:43
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Mat Cauthon posted:Poor Odric, always playing second fiddle to Thalia and went out as some vampire's hors d'oeuvre. more like ownedric 
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Nov 2, 2021 00:02
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disaster pastor posted:Yeah, but how often do you cast a seven-drop and have extra lands in hand? 
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Nov 2, 2021 00:06
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Strong Sauce posted:
holy poo poo, nice
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I don’t give a good goddamn how derivative it is, Odric better be Blade.
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Common misconception, its got the word Seven in its name, but it's actually a 5 drop. And it's a much better card that gives you a land/land creature.
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Strong Sauce posted:
God drat WOTC tanking the value of my Hero's Downfalls.
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Lone Goat posted:Common misconception, its got the word Seven in its name, but it's actually a 5 drop. I'm saying that if you play it on 5 then on turn 6 it fills your hand with lands that turn into real cards on 7 Doubt it will be a build around but it'll certainly be pretty good if your games make it that far since it pumps tokens too. If only it was 6 CMC!
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Nov 2, 2021 01:10
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Wow, Downfall is incredibly powerful for an uncommon!
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BizarroAzrael posted:Wow, Downfall is incredibly powerful for an uncommon! It's really not? Doom Blade was a fine uncommon...
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Nov 2, 2021 01:14
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nice reference to dark imposter, one of the best limited cards in avr
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how would this work with the bounce lands in something like amulet titan
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A big flaming stink posted:how would this work with the bounce lands in something like amulet titan It doesn't The bounce land ability can't go on the stack until you receive priority, and you can't receive priority until the ability resolves. So while you're "repeating this process" the lands will be on the table waiting patiently for the current ability to finish resolving before they can go bouncing.
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HootTheOwl posted:It doesn't boooooo
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mcmagic posted:It's really not? Doom Blade was a fine uncommon... Doom Blade doesn't kill planeswalkers, about 1/5 of creatures and hasn't been printed into a standard set since 2014. I'm not saying it's bad for the limited format or anything, but it's of a level that we've only seen at rare for a while, and it probably going to sour the mood of a few people who draft planeswalkers.
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 Markov's Retaliation: 2R Sorcery Choose one or both: · Creatures you control get +1/+0 until end of turn. · Target vampire you control deals damage equal to it's power to another target creature.
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Thanks for the advice everyone. It's just two of us so I'll give commander a pass for now. Deck building is fun, so maybe Jumpstart is kind of the way to go, but the challenger decks do appeal as well. Dear god there are so many different sets and booster boxes now. I sold all the cards worth anything, we've still got a bunch of old cheap commons from unlimited/revised through to 4th edition, and treated myself by selling my old trophy card for store credit so I'm a little limited by what the store sells. pretty much everything mentioned is available though.
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Strong Sauce posted:
It feels kind of quirky from a rules text perspective that this is a "choose one or both". Feels like it could have worked more smoothly as "if you control a vampire, target vampire you control deals damage equal to its power to up to one target creature"
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That might make you nuke your own creature tho
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Dreylad posted:Thanks for the advice everyone. It's just two of us so I'll give commander a pass for now. Deck building is fun, so maybe Jumpstart is kind of the way to go, but the challenger decks do appeal as well. Dear god there are so many different sets and booster boxes now. I sold all the cards worth anything, we've still got a bunch of old cheap commons from unlimited/revised through to 4th edition, and treated myself by selling my old trophy card for store credit so I'm a little limited by what the store sells. pretty much everything mentioned is available though. Did you sell it recently...??? Unlimited uncommons/commons have some value.. so you may want to check again. If you collected anything in "4 Horsement" sets (Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends, The Dark) they may also have value.
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goferchan posted:It feels kind of quirky from a rules text perspective that this is a "choose one or both". Feels like it could have worked more smoothly as "if you control a vampire, target vampire you control deals damage equal to its power to up to one target creature" I don't think that works because the "if you control a vampire" part would check on resolution, but targets need to be decided before then. Could have worked as "Up to one target vampire you control deals damage equal to its power to another target creature". Not particularly better or worse than the choose one/both wording imo.
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Strong Sauce posted:Did you sell it recently...??? Unlimited uncommons/commons have some value.. so you may want to check again. If you collected anything in "4 Horsement" sets (Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends, The Dark) they may also have value. This summer yeah. Most of the Dark stuff I had wasn't worth much. My City of Brass though!
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uggy posted:That might make you nuke your own creature tho And it means that the opponent can respond to it by blasting the vampire that would deal damage.
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Strong Sauce posted:
+1/-1 makes for a more interesting decision if it's meant to be one or both, which makes me think it got rebalanced or changed during development
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A big flaming stink posted:boooooo It's probably a very good thing that putting one of them into play with a bounceland in hand doesn't let the player draw their whole deck if they want to.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Doom Blade doesn't kill planeswalkers, about 1/5 of creatures and hasn't been printed into a standard set since 2014. I'm not saying it's bad for the limited format or anything, but it's of a level that we've only seen at rare for a while, and it probably going to sour the mood of a few people who draft planeswalkers. It's way better for limited if walkers aren't just unkillable.
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goferchan posted:It feels kind of quirky from a rules text perspective that this is a "choose one or both". Feels like it could have worked more smoothly as "if you control a vampire, target vampire you control deals damage equal to its power to up to one target creature" I don't think there's anything smooth about "if you control a vampire, target vampire" uggy posted:That might make you nuke your own creature tho Nibble posted:I don't think that works because the "if you control a vampire" part would check on resolution, but targets need to be decided before then. Could have worked as "Up to one target vampire you control deals damage equal to its power to another target creature". Not particularly better or worse than the choose one/both wording imo. Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:And it means that the opponent can respond to it by blasting the vampire that would deal damage.
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