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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:yeah but kendall is right that she does have a guilty conscience — you can see it in how she got rattled, and you could see it in her one on one convo with logan this episode where she is clearly trying to hide she thinks her dad is a bad person who knows about all the bad poo poo Oh, so you saw her leaving as more of admission then, that's really interesting! And boy was that conversation awkward and manipulative.
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Doctor Jeep posted:i wish they dumped the whole season in one go , this is excruciating hard disagree. letting an episode sit as i theorize what might happen next is great. and it also makes for better discussion here. hate the netflix model.
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Solkanar512 posted:Oh, so you saw her leaving as more of admission then, that's really interesting! something like an admission, yes, but also she knows kendall is full of sanctimonious poo poo and can't stand it
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Nov 1, 2021 17:49
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withak posted:Roman's body language has been hitting it out of the park. i read some commenter on some other site note how uncomfortable he looked when he met alone with logan (and logan called him a f-----t), and how this may imply some sort of abuse by logan or perhaps one of the higher up circles of abusers around him —— perhaps "mo" or one of the others sexually abused roman? thought this was perceptive and plausible
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Nov 1, 2021 17:53
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I think this episode revealed to me was how the more tightly controlling Logan gets when he shouldn’t be, the more out of control a situation becomes, in one way or another. Wraith of J.O.I. posted:also shiv has the worst loving instincts, god she sucks at anything related to the business. maybe this was just bad luck, but she went out and knifed kendall in public which is going to be immediately overshadowed by the FBI raid. her big move is going to amount to nothing! I loved Kendall’s transition to  to poo poo eating grin. It was subtle but 
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Fucker posted:hard disagree. letting an episode sit as i theorize what might happen next is great. and it also makes for better discussion here. hate the netflix model. Binge model works for some shows but it absolutely wouldn’t for this one. There’s so much to unpack in every episode. This thread wouldn’t be anywhere near as good as it is if we were watching it all at once I think
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Nov 1, 2021 18:33
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My girlfriend read somewhere that you can tell what Ken’s mood is going to be based off his wardrobe, and it held true this time as well. Basically the gist is; Manic: monotone suits Depressive: earth tones That friggin jacket tipped the scene’s hand and made me admit that it could be a very good character read. Edit: Also, did they say if Tom was talking to Greg’s lawyer or not?
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Nov 1, 2021 18:40
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Robobot posted:Edit: almost certain it was a different lawyer, the one he wanted greg to meet with — i don't think tom would be caught anywhere near greg's lawyer's office
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Nov 1, 2021 18:45
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went to check. gregs lawyer is pugh. the office tom called to is bergman + hendon + weiss and hes calling for hendon. lolling as im rewatching the marxist lawyer scene.
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Nov 1, 2021 18:57
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nooneofconsequence posted:After making his pitch to Logan he quietly called a lawyer that his off-screen friend recommended. If he's looking to cooperate with the DoJ he's setting himself up well to be closer to Logan. Oh I thought they meant he was recording someone.
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Nov 1, 2021 19:28
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"like a combine harvester in a wheat field of dicks" Tom continues to be adept at words, if nothing else.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:also shiv has the worst loving instincts, god she sucks at anything related to the business. maybe this was just bad luck, but she went out and knifed kendall in public which is going to be immediately overshadowed by the FBI raid. her big move is going to amount to nothing!
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Nov 2, 2021 00:55
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Neon Noodle posted:
This is incredible.
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:i read some commenter on some other site note how uncomfortable he looked when he met alone with logan (and logan called him a f-----t), and how this may imply some sort of abuse by logan or perhaps one of the higher up circles of abusers around him —— perhaps "mo" or one of the others sexually abused roman? thought this was perceptive and plausible Last season Logan struck Roman in the face, breaking a tooth, and Kendall's immediate reflexive protective reaction to that implied it's a pattern that's been repeated through their lives. (Later in a car alone with Roman he makes reference to it -- Logan's reduced version of apologizing for a wrong is just to make reference to it -- and Roman is compelled to rewrite history for him, first that it was an accident, and then that it didn't even happen at all.) Almost every interaction between Logan and Roman is bullying in some form.
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Nov 2, 2021 01:43
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We also know from Connor that none of kids are reliable narrators of their own childhood abuses. Roman was holding a lot of resentment towards Ken that sounds like it should've been for his father.
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Nov 2, 2021 02:02
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I bet Ken’s fancy lawyer is going to regret representing him by season end. Also lolled at Logan channeling Trump’s “ I WANT NOTHING, I WANT NOTHING” when meeting that White House rep
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Nov 2, 2021 04:34
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ken is in the best position going into ep4 you can pull off a "my family, in anticipation of an FBI raid, smeared me" narrative much harder than "my brother/son, in response to being smeared, orchestrated an FBI raid"
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Nov 2, 2021 06:04
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Colonel Whitey posted:I bet Ken’s fancy lawyer is going to regret representing him by season end. oh shes exasperated in this episode already
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Nov 2, 2021 09:42
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indiscriminately posted:Last season Logan struck Roman in the face, breaking a tooth, and Kendall's immediate reflexive protective reaction to that implied it's a pattern that's been repeated through their lives. oh wow yeah i completely forgot about that, thanks for the reminder. i wonder how much history is there and if/when it will come up
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Nov 2, 2021 17:43
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Shiv's brief vibe change when running into Kendall at that event was kind of scary, she seemed like a completely different person for a sec. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6mrUbWuOLc&t=35s indiscriminately posted:Last season Logan struck Roman in the face, breaking a tooth, and Kendall's immediate reflexive protective reaction to that implied it's a pattern that's been repeated through their lives. Apparently this part wasn't in the script! quote:Strong: "That just happened in a take, really. Brian [Cox] connected with Kieran [Culkin] and that was my response to it. I don't even think it was scripted, it was just a sudden thing in the way it would be with a sibling. To feel protective of your younger brother when there's a history of abuse in our family." My boss also watches the show and pointed out the other day, we know almost nothing about Tom's background. Think it'll come up?
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Nov 2, 2021 17:50
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if roman experienced the public humiliation that happens to ken on an almost episodic basis this would be a very different show
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Nov 2, 2021 18:26
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you just know after that tooth came loose he cranked one out on a lampshade or someone's toilet handle
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parthenocarpy posted:you just know after that tooth came loose he cranked one out on a lampshade or someone's toilet handle At least once a day, I think about that scene where Roman says something like "Yeah, and I jerked off in Gerri's bathroom, it was her idea!" and everyone assumes it's just Rome making his usual dumb hosed-up jokes.
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Nov 2, 2021 18:30
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wait. roman was held at gunpoint. thats way more hardcore than bailing out on a televised interview LOGAN: You have doctors, blankets, whatever you need. Warm towels ROMAN: Dad, look, I'm fine LOGAN: Okay son. You'll stay and get better ROMAN: No, dad, look. Look. [CAMERA PANS TO MULTIPLE JEAN JIZZSTAINS] LOGAN: Ah, yes. Well, lets see you off now
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Read After Burning posted:At least once a day, I think about that scene where Roman says something like "Yeah, and I jerked off in Gerri's bathroom, it was her idea!" and everyone assumes it's just Rome making his usual dumb hosed-up jokes.
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Nov 3, 2021 00:30
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Bad week for Shiv's soul. - Smears her brother (with facts, but mean ones) in an open letter - Becomes the public face of Waystar's effort to downplay its murders, rapes - Encourages her improbably loving husband to sacrifice himself for Logan's sins because that forwards her ambitions
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Nov 3, 2021 01:52
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indiscriminately posted:- Encourages her improbably loving husband to sacrifice himself for Logan's sins because that forwards her ambitions nonono, she DISCOURAGED him. DISCOURAGED. I mean, it would have been great if she encouraged him, but she didn't. That would be crazy. Discouraged. Totally. *stares into the middle distance*
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Vorgen posted:nonono, she DISCOURAGED him. DISCOURAGED. I mean, it would have been great if she encouraged him, but she didn't. That would be crazy. this conversation felt like a succession parody, it was so funny but also like cmon you cant be that obvious about it i assume tom, even as dumb as he is, immediately saw through it because lmao and is "taking the fall" for logan to get close to him (though i wonder whether he planned that before or after shiv's "discouragement")
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indiscriminately posted:Last season Logan struck Roman in the face, breaking a tooth, and Kendall's immediate reflexive protective reaction to that implied it's a pattern that's been repeated through their lives. We also know from Shiv that Logan "beat Roman with a loving slipper 'til he cried for ordering lobster" once, and the way it comes up in the Season 2 premiere makes it sound like a very typical family incident. e: I think she even says it in front of like, Gerri and Karl. He hits Roman, and everyone else in the family and company knows he does; it's just not clear to us as an audience how often he does. Valentin fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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I'm still wondering about the whole "did Logan/Kendall make Roman pretend to be a dog or not" thing. That whole thing (Roman confronting Kendall about it, then Roman confronting Connor, finally Kendall and Connor discussing it) was so strange.
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Nov 3, 2021 03:40
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Doing a season 1 rewatch and the scene where Logan just rips into him and he leaves the room oh and there’s Greg to be the punching bag for displaced anger. No one in that family is a reliable narrator thanks to the way memory and trauma interplay. Also how did I forget about the family therapy episode. Masterpiece of an episode.
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Read After Burning posted:
I think in s1 it was mentioned that his mother is a big time judge or lawyer
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Nov 3, 2021 10:38
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Tom's jumping over to Team Kendall. So ready to see his marriage with Shiv implode into little pieces. Also, did anyone else get the sense, during the bit where Tom and Kendall are having a bit of a faceoff in the company offices, that Tom was legitimately asking about DoJ immunity rather than just stunting and fronting?
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Nov 3, 2021 10:47
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I loved the scene with Shiv and Logan. She was so close to explaining to him (twice!) that, no, the situation is actually really hosed up and here’s why. Greg jerking off the watch too. A land of contrasts
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Nov 3, 2021 10:55
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abraham linksys posted:this conversation felt like a succession parody, it was so funny but also like cmon you cant be that obvious about it
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Nov 3, 2021 11:56
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abraham linksys posted:this conversation felt like a succession parody, it was so funny but also like cmon you cant be that obvious about it later in the episode tom is seen secretly talking to an attorney on the phone and if it was the waystar/roy's attorney he wouldn't be doing it secretly so that's something plus on one of the promo posters he's on kendall's side with greg the egg
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Read After Burning posted:I'm still wondering about the whole "did Logan/Kendall make Roman pretend to be a dog or not" thing. That whole thing (Roman confronting Kendall about it, then Roman confronting Connor, finally Kendall and Connor discussing it) was so strange. It happened. You;ll notice everyone says he liked it (clearly he didn't but they're all too self absorbed to admit he didn't) But also it wasn't the deeply traumatic experience he's claiming it is, because while it was mean didn't they say they gave him real food and not actual dog food? In true succession style everyone is lying to themselves.
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Read After Burning posted:I'm still wondering about the whole "did Logan/Kendall make Roman pretend to be a dog or not" thing. That whole thing (Roman confronting Kendall about it, then Roman confronting Connor, finally Kendall and Connor discussing it) was so strange. He made everyone pretend to be pigs! Remember Boar on the Floor?
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I wish I could forget Boars on the Floor. ...although that's pretty strong evidence that Tom could weaponize. He would never reveal himself as one of the boars, but he could probably convince Greg to talk about it.
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Doctor Jeep posted:later in the episode tom is seen secretly talking to an attorney on the phone and if it was the waystar/roy's attorney he wouldn't be doing it secretly
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