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jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


Actually. The aug thread has some great backgrounds right now.


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CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Having cameras on rules, you shut-in nerdlords

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

George H.W. oval office posted:

I don’t know why anyone else would either.

Mostly managers and c-levels trying to flex their status and control by making dudes turn on their cameras. They lost both the prestige of having an office and forcing people to butts in seats so they need to hold on to as much petty bullshit as possible.

At the start of lockdown we had mandatory 9am standups, where you had to have your camera on while attendance was taken, we also had to keep "office hours" by being in your departments voice chat room. I've also have heard of people having to have their cameras on during work hours so managers could make sure they weren't slacking off could have face to face time with their report..

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!

jaegerx posted:

Actually. The aug thread has some great backgrounds right now.




I have that same soundbar. No complaints with it so far.

Shartweek
Feb 15, 2003

D O E S N O T E X I S T

jaegerx posted:

I said he was a network engineer. Do I need to elaborate? They’re the epitome of I can’t duplicate it so it’s not my problem.

Ehh if you can't duplicate a problem as a network engineer you're doing something really wrong or you're lazy. There's not much to it.

Sprechensiesexy
Dec 26, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Hughmoris posted:

I have that same soundbar. No complaints with it so far.

Polish beer, very meh.

scott zoloft
Dec 7, 2015

yeah same
I made my boss and a consultant watch me lift weights last week

scott zoloft
Dec 7, 2015

yeah same
I knew it was important to establish with everyone early into this poo poo my living room office my rules

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



CLAM DOWN posted:

Having cameras on rules, you shut-in nerdlords

Why do you think so? I don't agree and I'm sometimes not a shut-in

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


CLAM DOWN posted:

Having cameras on rules, you shut-in nerdlords

I had a female boss that would wake up an hour earlier than the rest of us so she could put her face on and make sure she was presentable(her words). Pretty sure she’d probably like to sleep that extra hour and not turn her camera on.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Camera off, clothes off is the rear end pennies of the modern office world

Shartweek
Feb 15, 2003

D O E S N O T E X I S T
Cameras in corporate environments are mostly garbage and not supporting them at all has been my motto when I see them, only bosses use them to monitor the activities of their human capital.

Cameras watching areas that may explode or melt or otherwise have weird chemical reactions during their normal operational procedures if kept unchecked, or cameras used for robotic automation in manufacturing? I think they're OK thread.

I told my VP of sales today that a particular service of ours he's been selling for the past two years was not transferred down to engineering and no one here has ever supported it / nor implemented it. It's non-existent.

Good times.

SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader


CLAM DOWN posted:

Having cameras on rules, you shut-in nerdlords

I think we've been over this in other discussions. You like people, for some reason. You also work in a socialist paradise where management is nice to the workers and you get vacation and blah blah healthcare blah blah don't have to worry about going into medical debt and becoming homeless and also not being able to take care of the cancer that made you homeless and--

Oops anyway the point is you like people. Some of us don't. And before you go off about being a stereotype of IT people or some bullshit some of us don't like people but don't let that affect how well we do our jobs.

Anyway, besides anything else, not having your camera on means you can be far more productive, instead of staring blankly into a camera and not being able to actually do work while the meeting drones on without needing your input because it never did and you just couldn't get out of it.

cage-free egghead
Mar 8, 2004
Anyone in here wanna critique my resume? Already had a gracious goon reach out and help but would love some more feedback. I'm stuck in technical support/desktop/helpdesk and want to break into cloud. A little over half way done with my WGU cloud degree. Not exactly sure if I wanna do security, architectural, engineering, or whatever yet as I haven't touched enough. Please PM me and I'll send you a copy of what I've got so far.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


i like people, i just don't like them at 8:30am meetings.

we're all just drinking coffee until the poop comes out anyway and then the drops start happening.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Inner Light posted:

Why do you think so? I don't agree and I'm sometimes not a shut-in

A huge part of human communication is non-verbal. You cannot get that without seeing a person. Nothing can replace in-person, but video enormously helps with that.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





I'm fine in person. I feel like I've learned to people and I am a really good reader of body language and people in general. Probably to the point where I'm hyper-aware of it and it's almost information overload. But there's something about video chat that just breaks my brain. It's some sort of uncanny valley thing where those brain muscles for reading people just don't work and instead it's just the information overload. I think a lot better with my camera off and pacing around the room. I pretty much always turn incoming video off and just pretend I'm on a voice call.

[edit: I still am on video quite a bit throughout the week, but if I can get away with having it off I do. I'll turn it on when it's more of a social thing. At my last place, it was very different. None of us liked having cameras on and we probably went a good year without any video calls.]

Internet Explorer fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Nov 3, 2021

GnarlyCharlie4u
Sep 23, 2007

I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

jaegerx posted:

Didn’t we post a bunch of backgrounds earlier when we were all quarantined? I’m still using the bad cable management one and I blow a fan into the microphone so it sounds like I’m in a data center.

YES!

GreenNight posted:

Y’all need to relink those. Before quarantine Webex didn’t have custom backgrounds and now they do.

We’re a company new to video meetings and some managers demand cameras on. It’s ridiculous.

https://imgur.com/gallery/b6FcXOp


This is still my favorite.

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



jaegerx posted:

I had a female boss that would wake up an hour earlier than the rest of us so she could put her face on and make sure she was presentable(her words). Pretty sure she’d probably like to sleep that extra hour and not turn her camera on.

Someone did ask my wife what her skincare routine was, and without missing a beat she responded "I check the Touch Up My Appearance button and that's about it"

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



CLAM DOWN posted:

A huge part of human communication is non-verbal. You cannot get that without seeing a person. Nothing can replace in-person, but video enormously helps with that.

Says the guy with almost 37,000 posts on a text-only forum.

I get what you're saying, but not having to worry about keeping myself visibly composed is a big stress-reducer for me. Maybe it's an autism thing. I do like video for interviews for the reason you stated, but in a situation where I'm not actively trying to impress someone it's much lower stress for them not to see me.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.
Last week me and my customer had an unofficial “use the filters” gag running in honor of Halloween. No one could be in my meeting unless they had a filter on and talking about account governance and ipv6 migrations while everyone had bunny ears or cool shades or big bows on their heads was really rad.

A little levity goes a long way, folks.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




22 Eargesplitten posted:

Says the guy with almost 37,000 posts on a text-only forum.

I get what you're saying, but not having to worry about keeping myself visibly composed is a big stress-reducer for me. Maybe it's an autism thing. I do like video for interviews for the reason you stated, but in a situation where I'm not actively trying to impress someone it's much lower stress for them not to see me.

You don't have to be an rear end in a top hat to me. I'm completely correct. It's how human communication works.

Boba Pearl
Dec 27, 2019

by Athanatos
There is no non-verbal message you could send in a business meeting that wouldn't explicitly be used against you.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Boba Pearl posted:

There is no non-verbal message you could send in a business meeting that wouldn't explicitly be used against you.

Jesus Christ.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Charlie: Eh, lieutenant, what were you doing there?

Goose: Communicating.

Maverick: Communicating. Keeping up foreign relations. You know, giving him the bird!

Goose: [Charlie looks puzzled, so Goose clarifies] You know, the finger

Charlie: Yes, I know the finger, Goose.

Goose: I-I'm sorry, I hate it when it does that, I'm sorry. Excuse me.

angry armadillo
Jul 26, 2010
Plot twist: I am in the office and the boss largely insists on videos on. I'm cool with it and I do like it, but sometimes when I'm not feeling it, I'll pretend someone else came in the room off camera and put my mask on

sixth and maimed
Mar 20, 2012

Fun Shoe
I don't know if this is the best place to ask this but since we don't seem to have an ERP thread ...

We have a strategic ERP selection coming up for the group (5000+ employees) next year and the CIO would like me to get involved. We're in the food manufacturing business. We currently use an ERP that we've outgrown, and also have SAP S4HANA running in one of our companies.

Because of that (and because we have no one to support the business there) he'd like to get me trained in SAP, more in a business analyst role than doing configuring or coding. I've been looking at the SAP training offer and they have a "SAP S/4HANA Consultant Academy" for each of the major major modules (FI, CO, PP ...). The downside is each module takes 4 months.

Any tips or hints on training or certification courses (preferably for manufacturing)? I'm located in Belgium, btw.

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

Coasting your last few weeks at a job is such a good feeling.

I've had a crazy week personally. Dentist appointments, vet appointments, Drs appointments, voting, etc. Just a ton of personal stuff that I've had to do on my lunch breaks or early/end of day. As a result I have not gone into the office a single day despite being required to do so by corporate. My poor boss had to tap me on the shoulder and ask why I havent been in and I told him Ive been to busy and just didnt want to. He doesnt care but he has to ask and check in because the higher ups want asses in seats.

The best part is that they are really, really trying to seem like a hip tech company. They constantly preach flexibility, WFH as options, but its all cheap talk. The higher ups want people in the office period. We had a big all staff meeting where they discussed the results of the employee survey and the number 1 item was work from home. They tried to spin it as best as they could but they arent allowing it to happen and are now starting to lose people as a result.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007


CLAM DOWN posted:

You don't have to be an rear end in a top hat to me. I'm completely correct. It's how human communication works.

It's also the type of communication that leads to discomfort, logistical nightmares, and non-documented process.

I've never been more comfortable at work now; a boss can't pull me into their office to gesture about the HR rep's rear end or try to pin a politics conversation. Not having it, even if management has theirs, keeps people on their best behavior. Maybe I'm missing free promos from lacking the "locker room" communication but I can sleep well.

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost

BaseballPCHiker posted:

Coasting your last few weeks at a job is such a good feeling.

I've had a crazy week personally. Dentist appointments, vet appointments, Drs appointments, voting, etc. Just a ton of personal stuff that I've had to do on my lunch breaks or early/end of day. As a result I have not gone into the office a single day despite being required to do so by corporate. My poor boss had to tap me on the shoulder and ask why I havent been in and I told him Ive been to busy and just didnt want to. He doesnt care but he has to ask and check in because the higher ups want asses in seats.

The best part is that they are really, really trying to seem like a hip tech company. They constantly preach flexibility, WFH as options, but its all cheap talk. The higher ups want people in the office period. We had a big all staff meeting where they discussed the results of the employee survey and the number 1 item was work from home. They tried to spin it as best as they could but they arent allowing it to happen and are now starting to lose people as a result.

I find it funny that somehow our WFH policy is going to keep trucking along because they let so many senior people have it who immediately moved far away from their old position that now its impossible to reign it back in.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

CLAM DOWN posted:

You don't have to be an rear end in a top hat to me. I'm completely correct. It's how human communication works.

This is just more bait for people to be assholes to you though. Who makes this kind of post and thinks "yep, this will de-escalate things.".

Hughmoris
Apr 21, 2007
Let's go to the abyss!
I've committed IT haram by giving up my cushy WFH job and accepting a new one that has me back in the office. I'm sure I'll come to regret it 2 weeks after I start but the benefits were too good to pass up.

I think keeping my commute time to < 15 minutes will be a major key to happiness at the new place.

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

15 minutes ain't bad, I wouldn't have an issue with it.

Happiness Commando
Feb 1, 2002
$$ joy at gunpoint $$

15-20 minutes is my limit. I prefer WFH, but if I have to commute, more than 20 minutes is a major drag

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Don't forget all the time spent making yourself acceptable for being in public. Picking clothes, taking a shower, making a lunch.. all that isn't part of the commute itself but it's absolutely time out of your day just so you can exist in public.

There's some value to skipping shaving for a couple days or having a splash-n-dash shower then tossing on some sweatpants. Or having your entire kitchen available when it's lunchtime.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
Every have a recruiter reach out, you send them your resume, and they totally redo all of it? I don't know if I should be offended or grateful.

Inner Light
Jan 2, 2020



Sickening posted:

Every have a recruiter reach out, you send them your resume, and they totally redo all of it? I don't know if I should be offended or grateful.

Some of them have a standardized format they exclusively send to clients. I think it's probably a waste of time but whatever, I don't really have an opinion. I don't think it's a format I would use with other prospective employers.

e: now that I think about it, the incentive for client experience from their side is clear. It helps make them appear more 'sticky' to clients, makes it appear as if they are not simply forwarding a resume from one party to another, but have more of an active or 'branded' role in the resume they are providing.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.
It’s called misrepresentation and I hate it.

Er…What? My resume claimed I’m a god at programming in assembly?

Sacrist65
Mar 24, 2007
Frunnkiss

xzzy posted:

Don't forget all the time spent making yourself acceptable for being in public. Picking clothes, taking a shower, making a lunch.. all that isn't part of the commute itself but it's absolutely time out of your day just so you can exist in public.

There's some value to skipping shaving for a couple days or having a splash-n-dash shower then tossing on some sweatpants. Or having your entire kitchen available when it's lunchtime.

Soap now classified as a work expense.

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BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

I honestly liked going in and meeting my coworkers and for big project meetings from time to time. But I have so much more free time now. When I did the math I think it was around an extra 30 hours a month I have from not commuting.

Ive actually been able to put that time to use as well. I work out in the mornings or get a bunch of chores done before the baby wakes up, its awesome. Such a huge quality of life improvement.

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