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drat that's a lotta fuckin
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Nov 3, 2021 01:19
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Raine posted:something people repeatedly overlook especially in d&d is that violence is going to make up the majority of climate change deaths That's what drives me nuts. "We can't talk about violence." okay, but like, from everything we've ever known about human history, all of this has lead and will continue to lead to that, so maybe we should talk about it? Because like, it will happen, and in the next 30 years to greater and greater numbers and because of our positions mostly in western countries, it's more likely than not that we will be the ones doing the killing and turning a blind eye and --- (The worst loving mod left in the forms then probs me for a week).
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Nov 3, 2021 01:22
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goochtit posted:drat that's a lotta fuckin we just love raw dogging, don't we folks?
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Nov 3, 2021 01:25
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I like that it took us one extra year to hit the 8th billion compared to the 5th, 6th, and 7th billions, and now everyone is celebrating and telling me "The population increase is slowing! Things will be fixed! Malthusian!!!" even as we're on track for 11 billion by the end of the century, a 42% increase of the current population total.
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Nov 3, 2021 01:27
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and the world becomes engulfed in a paroxysm of cumfucked frenzy.
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Nov 3, 2021 01:30
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aheago to the climate refugee camps
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Nov 3, 2021 01:35
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SKULL.GIF posted:Oh, the topic of conversation had me curious so I went and looked it up. The last time the world population was 750 million was sometime in the late 18th century. We've increased the population by 1,000% in a scant 250 years.
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Nov 3, 2021 01:38
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The most frustrating part about the population discussion is that the only argument that almost everyone considers valid is whether or not we can feed all the people we have and not the incredible destruction we wreak upon everything else just to build and sustain habitats for us. Even a relatively clean and green civilization still destroys huge amounts of other animals habitat just from sheer scale alone. I don't care if we could feed 20 billion people. I don't want 20 billion people on the planet occupying 20 billion people's worth of space to the exclusion of everything else. My idea world population is about a hundred million spread out into maybe a thousand towns and cities. Why do we need so many people? To what end?
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Nov 3, 2021 01:46
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If every person, every industry, and every corporation on the planet collectively and immediately reduced their per-capita footprint* by 30%, we would break even with our current carbon output rate when we hit 11 billion people roughly 60 years from now *: putting aside that "carbon footprint" is propaganda spread by fossil fuel industries to put the onus on individual citizens instead of massive industrial waste and output **: putting aside the billions of already-living people who need and deserve to have their standards of living improved ***: putting aside that first-worlders, judging from their response to COVID, would likely react violently to having to downsize by 30% ****: putting aside that 30% is laughably inadequate *****: putting aside that even if we permanently put a hard limit on the rate of carbon output equal to the current rate of output, the current rate of carbon output is already disastrous for the planet I have absolutely no loving clue how anyone can look at the current state and trajectory of the world and think that? net zero is possible lol. there's a reason we keep kicking the target date forward by a decade every few years. net zero by 2020! oops, uhh, well.. net zero by 2030! ... by 2050? ... 2070?
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Nov 3, 2021 01:46
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Xaris posted:listen here, the planet actually has a carrying capacity of 30 billion. it's fine. the very idea of carrying capacity implies there's limits on population growth which implies malthusianism which implies you want to genocide the third world i'm on to you ecofascist turbohitler!
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Nov 3, 2021 02:04
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:the very idea of carrying capacity implies there's limits on population growth which implies malthusianism which implies you want to genocide the third world huh, right number of syllables 
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Nov 3, 2021 02:21
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there are people alive today who will live to see the population quintuple in their lifetimes (~100 year-olds who manage to live another ~20 years)
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Nov 3, 2021 02:22
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Cold on a Cob posted:huh, right number of syllables can we get this as a gang tag
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Nov 3, 2021 03:12
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SKULL.GIF posted:If every person, every industry, and every corporation on the planet collectively and immediately reduced their per-capita footprint* by 30%, we would break even with our current carbon output rate when we hit 11 billion people roughly 60 years from now how about i play video game on computer....
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Nov 3, 2021 03:17
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no kids or no computer. that is the question
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Nov 3, 2021 03:17
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Hubbert posted:can we get this as a gang tag that sounds like a loving stupid idea
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Nov 3, 2021 03:18
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Nov 3, 2021 03:38
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Cold on a Cob posted:huh, right number of syllables Thx, we needed a banner for the OP. 
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Nov 3, 2021 03:59
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Alobar posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEmwJzQjwyw 
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Nov 3, 2021 04:04
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Alobar posted:that sounds like a loving stupid idea stupider than shade balls?
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Nov 3, 2021 04:49
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Welp https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8HsWvXH/
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Nov 3, 2021 05:32
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Nov 3, 2021 05:37
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lol
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Nov 3, 2021 05:37
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https://twitter.com/WWF_Deutschland/status/1455523152600129538
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Nov 3, 2021 06:01
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This doesn't surprise me at all. I watched a mini-doc on YouTube earlier about the diabetes epidemic in Mexico and how in the poorest areas Coke is a cleaner beverage than their local drinking water, and how there are *shamans* treating people with diabetes with Coke. When the guy doing the documentary asked one of the shamans if she knew that sugary drinks *caused* diabetes, she immediately snapped back with "THAT'S A LIE." Of course, she makes her living selling Coke as a medicine, so...  Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqnUohxXV0I
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Nov 3, 2021 06:07
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lol the background of this loving rocks https://i.imgur.com/ezFerXm.mp4 the fritos are top shelf smdh
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Nov 3, 2021 06:25
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Death is always a viable alternative
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Nov 3, 2021 07:45
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BIG HEADLINE posted:This doesn't surprise me at all. I watched a mini-doc on YouTube earlier about the diabetes epidemic in Mexico and how in the poorest areas Coke is a cleaner beverage than their local drinking water, and how there are *shamans* treating people with diabetes with Coke. Wow weird how the town with the giant coca cola factory slurping up all their ground water has both contaminated poisoned municipal water supplies and an out of control diabetes crisis weird.
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Nov 3, 2021 07:45
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The Oldest Man posted:Wow weird how the town with the giant coca cola factory slurping up all their ground water has both contaminated poisoned municipal water supplies and an out of control diabetes crisis yeh but at least its not pepsi
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Nov 3, 2021 07:56
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Perry Mason Jar posted:It's impossible because it requires literal magic... believing in literal magic is certainly far more idealist and liberal than my position based in science? It doesn't require magic, it requires organized political instruments backed by a majority will. This is something that is within the realm of possibility. However remote. quote:What is your intent? In other words, how will you de-carbonize the global economy without mass starvation and death and rioting? How will you remove carbon from the air directly (without adding more carbon than you're removing)? What sources of energy will exist for the post-revolution society and how will you get disparate nations all to agree to not re-institute non-renewable energy even as their people die and riot? How will the plastics crisis be remediated? How will ecological collapse? Ocean collapse? Mass death and starvation are baked in. The revolutionary government(s) are able to maintain a stripped down, functioning division of labor and supply chains while this happens. The Red Army will have a tree planting division with motherfucking forced conscription. Transition energy sources are intermittent renewables + nuclear. Fossil fuels will eventually be outlawed, and whatever nuclear power remaining deployed to that end. Plastics, idk some kind of bioengineered plastic eating bacteria or something. As for ecological collapse, it's not really that simple. IF capital is allowed to continue, then it's going to happen. If not, then existing human societies will have to be converted to a very long term tetraforming project - a teleology that precludes capitalist social relations. The point is the future is open and contingent and it depends on what we do now, regardless of how impossible it seems. If billions of people got like, full strain communist ideological inscriptions beamed into their heads overnight while they sleep, all bets would be off. A magic scenario? Sure - but the point about the structure of temporality remains. When you declare something impossible, you're helping guarantee that. You're closing the future. You're doing a liberalism. In a contingent, chaotic, universe, nothing is 100% impossible; or we are not materialists. It could be otherwise, it could always be otherwise. quote:And those are just questions for post-revolution and onlyto a small slice. I'm curious how you think revolution occurs at all when the levers of working class power have been almost entirely removed*? I could add about a thousand pages of doomnotes to this list. You're totally right. But I'm still right that declaring things impossible is self-defeating and self-fulfilling. Possible/impossible are the wrong framework to conceptualize the problem. Who are you to say what's impossible, bitch? You're born, you struggle, you die. You don't get to know what the outcome is. None of us do. gently caress impossible, there is only one question that matters. What is to be done? emTme3 has issued a correction as of 08:17 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Nov 3, 2021 08:13
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our best options in order of most likely to least: 1 - aliens save us B - space ships to a non broken planet third - goon project invent a time machine
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Nov 3, 2021 08:40
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poo poo, this thread could use some levity deploy the tacocat! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0aCXuNxQA8
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Nov 3, 2021 09:01
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splifyphus posted:The Red Army will have a tree planting division with motherfucking forced conscription. I think I prefer extinction to the kind of world you seem to want.
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Nov 3, 2021 09:01
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blatman posted:third - goon project invent a time machine i made the wiki yesterday
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Nov 3, 2021 09:14
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forgot i need to watch this movie
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Nov 3, 2021 09:30
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Hubbert posted:can we get this as a gang tag
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Nov 3, 2021 09:35
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Funky See Funky Do posted:The most frustrating part about the population discussion is that the only argument that almost everyone considers valid is whether or not we can feed all the people we have and not the incredible destruction we wreak upon everything else just to build and sustain habitats for us. Even a relatively clean and green civilization still destroys huge amounts of other animals habitat just from sheer scale alone. but have you considered 5 billion on earth and maybe 15 billion on mars? hmm?
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Nov 3, 2021 10:05
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Nov 3, 2021 10:33
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fanfic insert posted:but have you considered 5 billion on earth and maybe 15 billion on mars? hmm? Of course I've considered it! We've all considered it at one time or another.
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Nov 3, 2021 10:42
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splifyphus posted:It doesn't require magic, it requires organized political instruments backed by a majority will. This is something that is within the realm of possibility. However remote. as long as you are in denial about what you are facing you won't actually be facing it Rectal Death Adept has issued a correction as of 10:58 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Nov 3, 2021 10:55
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