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The Bloop posted:Are you suggesting the whole thing except the ship was already animated and someone brought it to Disney first, rather than staff at Paramount being told to make something You're starting a step too far ahead; A pitch can be as vague on-paper as an outline of "Alien kids with a cool/special ship" and the rest gets filled in as it's woven into Star Trek, it doesn't necessarily have to have the whole ship and cast fully designed and ready to drop into the show. Not that that's necessarily happened here, but it's not hard to see why it looks like a retooled pitch pilot. xerxus posted:It's part of Kurtzman's 'strategy' to create different shows meant for different demographics. At least it sounds like the producers know what not to do for a decent show. And it's sort of a subtle jab at Discovery, if you think about it.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:A pitch can be as vague on-paper as an outline of "Alien kids with a cool/special ship"
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Payndz posted:Be right back, pitching an animated reboot of Blake's 7. I would unironically watch this
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nine-gear crow posted:I mean it seems like it's paying off so far... Yeah Discovery might not be pitched at Rich Evans, and Picard might not be pitched at people who like good tv, but as a business strategy it looks like it's being fantastically successful.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I would unironically watch this "A ragtag group of mismatched prisoners unexpectedly gain control of an incredibly advanced spaceship (with an AI built in) and go on the run, pursued by the forces of a cruel and dictatorial enemy that wants said ship for itself." The lawyers of Terry Nation's estate suddenly perk up, but aren't sure why. Small Strange Bird fucked around with this message at 11:27 on Nov 3, 2021 |
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You're starting a step too far ahead; A pitch can be as vague on-paper as an outline of "Alien kids with a cool/special ship" and the rest gets filled in as it's woven into Star Trek, it doesn't necessarily have to have the whole ship and cast fully designed and ready to drop into the show. Yep, so many pitches end up nothing like they started out as, and it's often not usually that, that is a very good thing. Many classic movies and shows started with a very different pitch. xerxus posted:It's part of Kurtzman's 'strategy' to create different shows meant for different demographics. And I mean I'm a fan of LD and have high hopes for SNW. If there's five shows going and two of them are aimed towards I like... well good? Not a fan of a lot of Kurtzman and co's decision, but this one just makes a lot of sense. Much better then just doing the same stuff over and over and burning everyone out. Varieties good and healthy. I mean still wish Picard and Disco were better written though, apparently they do have their audince.
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Historically star trek shows have trended towards finding out mid-season if they have another year or if they are getting cancelled. The fact that these shows are getting multiple year deals is good for them and the people working on them and a reasonable health check on how popular they are.
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Multi-season deals are much more common for ten episode seasons, and much more common for animation. That said, the shows do appear to be healthy. Although I'm surprised we haven't had an LD4 announcement yet.
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apatheticman posted:For Star Trek to be good there must be one sacrifice show. So can we wickerman one? You know, for the greater good, better harvest, and all that.
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dr_rat posted:So can we wickerman one? That's Discovery, the "prestige" series getting all Kurtzman's attention.
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Alchenar posted:Historically star trek shows have trended towards finding out mid-season if they have another year or if they are getting cancelled. The fact that these shows are getting multiple year deals is good for them and the people working on them and a reasonable health check on how popular they are. Except in Picard's case, where the relentless pace means not only did they shoot Season 1 without scripts or knowing where the story was going, but they've now also done that for 2 (dude's hoping to pull something together in editing lmao), and have already started 3, likewise with no real plan for where it's going. (or any feedback from the last season AND before nailing down what even happened in season 2)
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ashpanash posted:By the way, Prodigy showerthought: Why does the universal translator make the big burly rock creature that previously spoke in low-pitched grunts have a high-pitched, squeaky voice? I wouldn't read too much into it unless it becomes relevant in a more mainline trek show. Otherwise it implies that the Universal Translator is making a lot of judgement calls with regards to how tone and accent are perceived by the listener, which is a whole can of worms.
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I watched Prodigy tonight expecting it to be irredeemable poo poo and it was actually pretty drat good  This and Lower Decks are making for some good star treks. What is it with the animated ones being good and the live action ones being terrible?
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I watched Prodigy tonight expecting it to be irredeemable poo poo and it was actually pretty drat good Prodigy and Lower Decks have teams of people with proven track records of being talented animators and storytellers behind them and are the furthest removed from Alex Kurtzman and his gaggle of enablers' direct control. Picard was the product of a dude who'd never written or helmed a TV show before and was going through a major life trauma the whole time he was working on it. And Discovery is Kurtzmantropolis, the locus of the entire problem.
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Disco season 4 has me interested because I think it’s the first season where they’re not trying to course correct from the previous one in some way. Season two unfucked the Klingons, got rid of Ash, and ditched the 23rd century. Season 3 jettisons the extra character baggage of Nahn and Georgiou, and finally justifies giving Michael the constant spotlight by upgrading her to captain. Now we have a stable crew and setting, which is hilarious because it took three full seasons to glue that into place.
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HD DAD posted:Disco season 4 has me interested because I think it’s the first season where they’re not trying to course correct from the previous one in some way. Season two unfucked the Klingons, got rid of Ash, and ditched the 23rd century. Season 3 jettisons the extra character baggage of Nahn and Georgiou, and finally justifies giving Michael the constant spotlight by upgrading her to captain. that was my thinking before the trailer, but the focus on another galaxy-scale threat has me very wary which is not saying anything new I guess, but it just feels like the Disco production crew don’t really know what they want the show to be about beyond vague Trek-esque aspirational themes
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Crusader posted:that was my thinking before the trailer, but the focus on another galaxy-scale threat has me very wary The only positive about it is the trailer heavily implies it's a natural phenomenon and not another random evil person, which would... I guess be different. Kinda.
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Grand Fromage posted:The only positive about it is the trailer heavily implies it's a natural phenomenon and not another random evil person, which would... I guess be different. Kinda. I don't have a lot of confidence that Discovery's writers wouldn't try to put a human face on it, like how they took the faceless, evil AI puppetmaster that was Control and stuck it in Leland so that it could be punched in the face. (Hell, the Discovery crew even stopped referring to it as "Control" after a while and just said "Leland".) Or how punching Osyraa in the face was presented as the critical moment for solving the Emerald Chain problem. They get a pass on the Burn because "alien with superpowers almost causes a disaster" is the setup for a dozen other Trek episodes, and also punching Su'Kal in the face would not have actually undone the massive ecological disaster.
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blastron posted:and also punching Su'Kal in the face would not have actually undone the massive ecological disaster. Maybe not, but they could have at least tried it. 
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Grand Fromage posted:The only positive about it is the trailer heavily implies it's a natural phenomenon and not another random evil person, which would... I guess be different. Kinda. as long as it's not another crybaby doing it
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Michael, your tears have flooded the galaxy Yes No I don't know how the gently caress that works That's not my problem
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:What is it with the animated ones being good and the live action ones being terrible? They're following the DC model
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HD DAD posted:Disco season 4 has me interested because I think it’s the first season where they’re not trying to course correct from the previous one in some way. Season two unfucked the Klingons, got rid of Ash, and ditched the 23rd century. Season 3 jettisons the extra character baggage of Nahn and Georgiou, and finally justifies giving Michael the constant spotlight by upgrading her to captain. But shouldn't course correcting just be storytelling? Storytelling is going from here to there. If you want to make a hard change you don't need to write a bad story to do it. The start of season three was a complete re-baseline of the story that should have left them without any baggage they didn't want. After that point, it seems like it's hard to blame their existing setting. The fact that they managed to find awkward things that constrained them seems to say something about their writing method. Like, this is intentionally part of what they're doing with storytelling. I think they're just trying to tell stories that aren't that interesting to me. That's okay, I need things to play in the background when I'm doing other stuff!
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T.C. posted:But shouldn't course correcting just be storytelling? Storytelling is going from here to there. If you want to make a hard change you don't need to write a bad story to do it. The start of season three was a complete re-baseline of the story that should have left them without any baggage they didn't want. After that point, it seems like it's hard to blame their existing setting. The fact that they managed to find awkward things that constrained them seems to say something about their writing method. Like, this is intentionally part of what they're doing with storytelling. I think they're just trying to tell stories that aren't that interesting to me. I think the big problem is they feel the need to justify shakeups with drawn out arcs that eat up precious time. The show seems averse to just going “boom, this is how it is now”. In TNG, Geordi became chief engineer between seasons and it was acknowledged by three lines of dialogue. If that was done in Disco, I’m almost certain there would have been a season-long arc of him going through some kind of personal hell to prove his worthiness of being chief. Basically, it feels like the writers know where they want to take the show, but they don’t trust the audience to go along with sudden changes. So it becomes this plodding thing to gradually shift gears. They knew they wanted Disco to go to the 31st century by the end of the first season, and then spent the entirety of the second creating the most convoluted way to get there. Seriously, just have a spore drive gently caress up, end up in the future, “oops we can’t go back”. We would have rolled our eyes, but would have gone along with it.
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punishedkissinger posted:i still do not understand the plot of Disco S02 and i watched it and read a lot about it after They hosed it up You'd have to misunderstand what happened on screen for it to actually make sense to you
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The Bloop posted:They hosed it up Yum Yum
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J33uk posted:Rok-Tahk is definitely the MVP of the second episode of Prodigy. Janeway absolutely knows they're not cadets but is just going "gently caress it, let's just roll with it and see what happens"
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Can someone explain the plot of season 2 of DISCO for me like I'm a 5 year old?
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Nitrousoxide posted:Can someone explain the plot of season 2 of DISCO for me like I'm a 5 year old? Terminator in space, if Skynet were built by the CIA instead of an arms manufacturer
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