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hot cocoa on the couch posted:turn on your monitor yeah got their rear end!
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Alec Baldwin posted:yeah got their rear end!
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Oct 28, 2021 17:19
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punishedkissinger posted:this thread got gross really fast Could a mod please close this thread until something happens so we don't go horny about death or whatever is happening now.
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thread reopened because the armorer's lawyer is saying somebody may have planted the live round
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Nov 4, 2021 04:27
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Aardvark! posted:thread reopened because the armorer's lawyer is saying somebody may have planted the live round 
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Nov 4, 2021 04:35
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That person? Alec Baldwin
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Was it a one armed man?
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he's straight up blaming the people who walked off https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/03/rust-armorer-laywer-suggests-sabotage-baldwin-live-round quote:Asked who would intentionally place live ammunition with dummy rounds, Bowles said on NBC’s Today show that he believed it could be a person who wanted “to prove a point, to say that they’re disgruntled, they’re unhappy”.
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Want to prove a point that the set is unsafe, so we grabbed one of the 1000s of live ammunition on set planted it the day before with the other live rounds. And nobody checked it or paid attention and gave Alec Baldwin the loaded gun.
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Nov 4, 2021 04:38
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She's also said she was overruled on safety procedures. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/29/rust-film-set-alec-baldwin-shooting-live-bullets-lawyers posted:“Safety is Hannah’s number one priority on set. Ultimately this set would never have been compromised if live ammo were not introduced. Hannah has no idea where the live rounds came from,” the statement from her attorneys Jason Bowles and Robert Gorence said, as first reported by NBC. Highly dubious about the planted rounds, but being overruled on basic safety procedures sounds pretty plausible with what we know from how the set was run. Even if true though, that still places a lot of blame on her for continue to work under such dangerous conditions.
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breaking: factory fire likely caused by arsonist wanting to draw attention to the barrels of fuel left unattended near open flames
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Nov 4, 2021 04:40
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curlys gold posted:breaking: factory fire likely caused by arsonist wanting to draw attention to the barrels of fuel left unattended near open flames And they were right to do so 
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dr_rat posted:She's also said she was overruled on safety procedures. you can't blame people for not leaving a job if they need the income still, if the conditions were that bad around something that might get me killed, I'm pretty sure I'd take the hit and move on to something else.
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i'm no gunologist but i'm pretty sure they can be stored in places other than random piles where any plinker can get at them over lunch Is the assistant director with a history of actively fighting against safety precautions also facing charges?
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Is the assistant director with a history of actively fighting against safety precautions also facing charges? As far as I've heard no charges have been laid against anyone yet. Presumably they're still investigating.
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Nov 4, 2021 04:54
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whether the bullet had been previously loaded intentionally or not seems irrelevant when there were two professionals on set who both had a duty to verify the gun was safe prior to handing it over to a well known blood-thirsty murderer like alec baldwin
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Nov 4, 2021 04:59
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Edmund Sparkler posted:You people complain everywhere you go. I love you so much
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Nov 4, 2021 05:03
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hollywood should hire an official firearms saboteur on every set to keep the crew responsible for weapon safety on their toes, just like the tsa hires people to sneak weapons through security.
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Nov 4, 2021 05:03
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Bad Purchase posted:whether the bullet had been previously loaded intentionally or not seems irrelevant when there were two professionals on set who both had a duty to verify the gun was safe prior to handing it over to a well known blood-thirsty murderer like alec baldwin It's so loving weird the way people are trying to hang Baldwin for this. He's an actor, and also he financed the film, he has absolutely no role in management. I think people mistakenly believe that a producer actually manages production which is a fair mistake I guess.
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Nov 4, 2021 05:06
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Just scrap Rust and make a murder mystery about this imo. Alec baldwin will be played by one of the other baldwin brothers.
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Nov 4, 2021 05:07
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there used to be like 25 Baldwin brothers, but once Alec got done....
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Nov 4, 2021 05:08
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:It's so loving weird the way people are trying to hang Baldwin for this. He's an actor, and also he financed the film, he has absolutely no role in management. I think people mistakenly believe that a producer actually manages production which is a fair mistake I guess. i'm not trying to blame alec "the butcher" baldwin for this at all, he is who he is. the armorer and especially the AD who was the last link in the chain share the responsibility for the shooting.
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Nov 4, 2021 05:09
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your honor it is not the dishwasher’s fault that this fine china is soiled, as there is reason to believe someone may have eaten from it prior
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Nov 4, 2021 05:16
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:It's so loving weird the way people are trying to hang Baldwin for this. He's an actor, and also he financed the film, he has absolutely no role in management. I think people mistakenly believe that a producer actually manages production which is a fair mistake I guess. Its more the fact that he had significant agency in the ongoing filming even with all the glaring safety issues. Obviously there is a bit of conjecture here, but it seems highly unlikely that he would've been unaware of the ongoing safety issues or the staff walk off on such a small production. So while he's not a "manager" per se, he could've said "we need to stop filming and take a step back, I'm the lead actor and this is my money". I don't think he needs to be prosecuted for it, but he's got some culpability. Lesson learned I guess  Calling it just a freak accident and Baldwin a victim is pretty obtuse imho, though.
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If you’re gonna big picture it, the entire industry that employs people like the AD and armorer is at fault. The AD in particular was an established big shot, presumably because he did his job faster and cheaper than someone who observed even the most rudimentary safety precautions. In a saner world, he would have been blacklisted after the first such stunt, and production would have stopped the moment union workers started walking out, if not way sooner. The real murderer is capitalism, etc. etc. I’m not enough of an insider to assign a numerical value of culpability to mr. Baldwin himself, but it is definitely greater than zero and less than that of the two people whose jobs were specifically to ensure that he wasn’t handled a live gun. E: like, baseline, he was doing a scab rehearsal with a real gun, after the camera people had walked out due to previous incidents, including two negligent discharges on set. That is negligence on his part. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Nov 4, 2021 06:21
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dr_rat posted:She's also said she was overruled on safety procedures. One of the reasons they hire young unexperienced or unqualified workers for a job is because they are easy to push around.
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Nov 4, 2021 07:05
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This is clearly some meta 4d chess advertising campaign. No one got hurt cmon now.
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Nov 4, 2021 07:48
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Nuts and Gum posted:This is clearly some meta 4d chess advertising campaign. No one got hurt cmon now. Everyone knows movies are fake.
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Nov 4, 2021 07:50
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It’s incredibly cool and also good how lawyers just invent a conspiracy theory as a defense because I guess that’s just what we do now.
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Nov 4, 2021 11:54
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I dressed as the crow for a Halloween 5k this year and someone in the crowd shouted "sorry you got shot on set" which would have seemed very tasteless even before this happened
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LanceHunter posted:There could also be more regulation enforcement, where groups like Cal/OSHA or NM OSHA are making regular visits to sets to check up on things. Of course, the problem with this is that productions will just move to whatever place gives them the least "hassle". Yeah see everyone talking about how it's just the regs needing to be more enforced - by who? And how? Again, the Midnight Rider director is STILL MAKING FILMS. Regulations don't do poo poo if no one is enforcing them. But sure keep making convoluted laws that everyone will ignore, that will certainly help the people on film sets! And counting on the complex rules being enforced every time, it's so much simpler than not allowing real guns on sets, right???? loving no. Eliminating actual guns on sets would make this a non-issue. And hell, then it's still the same problem, there will only be limited abilities to enforce that anyway, and I'm sure states like GA would jump on the chance to be 'the state that allows you to use real guns on sets' and poo poo. But folks saying it's just about getting the regulations in order and making sure only unions are employed on sets are fools. There's entire industries devoted to getting around unions, poo poo part of why NYC is a production hub is bc it's known as the main non-union hub for production. Look here's an article from Scorcese's daughter, a set propmaster, about how hosed up film sets are nowadays while everyone in this thread is like 'well it seems like such an organized and buttoned up industry that this rarely happens in, and just needs a little more oversight' lollllll https://www.businessinsider.com/prop-master-martin-cathy-scorsese-rust-shooting-2021-11 StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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That said, Cali is the 5th largest economy in the world, it could easily set an example and wield its soft power by not allowing guns on sets and that would have a vastly bigger effect on the industry at large than any of the well-meaning but naive suggestions for better systematic enforcement of gun safety regulations. The only people who should have a vested interest in keeping real guns on sets are the armorers and their union, bc that's their livelihood. Everybody else, why do you care if it's real or not? StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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pretty soft girl posted:I dressed as the crow for a Halloween 5k this year and someone in the crowd shouted "sorry you got shot on set" which would have seemed very tasteless even before this happened idk that seems kind of funny. Tasteless, but funny.
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Nov 4, 2021 12:43
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:It's so loving weird the way people are trying to hang Baldwin for this. He's an actor, and also he financed the film, he has absolutely no role in management. I think people mistakenly believe that a producer actually manages production which is a fair mistake I guess. Ah but did you consider he might also have a writing credit!?
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pretty soft girl posted:I dressed as the crow for a Halloween 5k this year and someone in the crowd shouted "sorry you got shot on set" which would have seemed very tasteless even before this happened If you're that sensitive one might say the costume itself is pretty tasteless, no?
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SilvergunSuperman posted:If you're that sensitive one might say the costume itself is pretty tasteless, no? You're right it was probably a mistake to drag a life size dummy of Alec Baldwin in a Yosemite sam outfit pointing a magnum behind me for 3 miles
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i don't think it makes sense to ban Alec Baldwin when we've have a pretty good safety record with him for decades now. I think we could just more closely regulate him and only allow him to be used on sets with qualified union workers closely supervising.
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Nov 4, 2021 13:23
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"Cold nuke" I yell as I hand Alec Baldwin an obviously loaded quad barrel Fatman.
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punishedkissinger posted:he's straight up blaming the people who walked off ive seen enough columbo to know this is a non-zero possibility
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