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Dolphin posted:That's a pretty stereotypical view of American history and totally discards the actual motivations behind the revolution. The motivations are actually fairly irrelevant when you're considering the political reality and when you look at how other eventual revolutions would crib from the Americans so heavily. It's fine to judge the founders on their personal views and actions, but it's also necessary to realize what the successful revolution meant overall independent of that.
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The "can't be racist against white people" thing has always seemed like some sort of weird definitional retcon. Does this definition only hold in certain places like the US? How white does somebody need to be? Does it only work for populations of majority? What about situations where it's two people of color but one has a societal advantage? How much institutional power does it take to be finally called racist? It's always seemed to me to be a way for somebody to state that they can't be racist by definition but only bigoted (which is OK and cool).
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nvidiagouge posted:The motivations are actually fairly irrelevant when you're considering the political reality and when you look at how other eventual revolutions would crib from the Americans so heavily. It's fine to judge the founders on their personal views and actions, but it's also necessary to realize what the successful revolution meant overall independent of that.
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TheWeepingHorse posted:In most academic contexts, it's going to be prejudice plus institutional power. lol
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Dolphin posted:The political reality is worse! Have you actually studied any US history?? The US is a pale shadow of the rampant imperialism and colonialism they helped defeat being propagated primarily by monarchists. It's popular to see the US as the villain in all aspects now but it's nothing compared to what European countries did for 500 plus years around the globe. Despite having their own problems with the same issues, the US is who created the blueprint for ending the dominant style of colonialism during that time. Realistically, the US is only really in the position of influence it is right now because of further European atrocities and mistakes in recent times. Europe ruined the globe for hundreds of years before bringing it all home and ruining themselves for another 100. Then the US was there with Russia to help clean up that mess, too. Almost anywhere the US is out meddling around right now or in the last 100 years is either directly or indirectly linked to European colonialism and the destabilization caused by it. nvidiagouge fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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nvidiagouge posted:The US is a pale shadow of the rampant imperialism and colonialism they helped defeat being propagated primarily by monarchists. It's popular to see the US as the villain in all aspects now but it's nothing compared to what European countries did for 500 plus years around the globe. Despite having their own problems with the same issues, the US is who created the blueprint for ending the dominant style of colonialism during that time. Realistically, the US is only really in the position of influence it is right now because of further European atrocities and mistakes in recent times. Europe ruined the globe for hundreds of years before bringing it all home and ruining themselves for another 100. Then the US was there with Russia to help clean up that mess, too. Almost anywhere the US is out meddling around right now or in the last 100 years is either directly or indirectly linked to European colonialism and the destabilization caused by it. What the gently caress
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Yeah we found the most conservative view. Good job thread!
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It's actually counter to the myth of American Exceptionalism. The US didn't end up globally dominant through it's own actions. It took a solid 200 plus years of Europe making GBS threads the bed fighting itself with ill-gotten colonial resources for the US to ascend to the top of the heap. Even just as far back as the early 20th century the US was largely seen as a secondary world power.
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i like the hard work ive done in the trades and am proud to have worked with my hands.
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Waterbed Wendy posted:Work in a liquor store for a few days and you will see just how much alcoholism is a disease. When you hand a pint of cheap vodka to the same guy every day, three times a day it begins to sink in. His hands shake the whole time and he can’t look you in the eye because of his shame over the state he is in. He doesn’t want this vodka, he needs it to live. Addiction is a terrible disease. Nah, it's not a real disease. Alcoholics are just choosing to die from withdrawal.
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kazil posted:Nah, it's not a real disease. Alcoholics are just choosing to die from withdrawal. It's funny that basically every real conservative position posted ITT is always "well I know that there's mountains of evidence and research says this is true but I just feel in my heart of hearts that it's not."
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Alcohol is a real bitch of a drug. There's always a good reason to drink. Had a bad day? time to drink your sorrows away. Had a good day? Time to celebrate with a drink. Wanna party and let loose? Have a few drinks. Bored? Have a drink.
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nvidiagouge posted:The US is a pale shadow of the rampant imperialism and colonialism they helped defeat being propagated primarily by monarchists. It's popular to see the US as the villain in all aspects now but it's nothing compared to what European countries did for 500 plus years around the globe. Despite having their own problems with the same issues, the US is who created the blueprint for ending the dominant style of colonialism during that time. Realistically, the US is only really in the position of influence it is right now because of further European atrocities and mistakes in recent times. Europe ruined the globe for hundreds of years before bringing it all home and ruining themselves for another 100. Then the US was there with Russia to help clean up that mess, too. Almost anywhere the US is out meddling around right now or in the last 100 years is either directly or indirectly linked to European colonialism and the destabilization caused by it. i mean i kinda get it but also wtf. ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:The function of DiAngelo and Kendi, along with a lot of other racial therapy sessions, is to provide a ritualistic session for white people (primarily women) to symbolically separate themselves from whiteness and thus not be bad. People feel this friction because anyone working anything more than a service job in the United States is the moral equivalent of a slaveholder or a Nazi, but people cannot deal with the attendant guilt that causes and so it requires mass psychiatric counseling. i am more annoyed that most history books are clickbait and or cheap trash that doesnt do the subject justice.
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Who What Now posted:It's funny that basically every real conservative position posted ITT is always "well I know that there's mountains of evidence and research says this is true but I just feel in my heart of hearts that it's not." See: Spanking children Tarkus posted:Alcohol is a real bitch of a drug. There's always a good reason to drink. Had a bad day? time to drink your sorrows away. Had a good day? Time to celebrate with a drink. Wanna party and let loose? Have a few drinks. Bored? Have a drink. It's not a problem, just gotta drink in moderation! Not like alcohol can make you make bad choices...like drinking more alcohol.
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I think there are two kinds of addiction, one that can be treated by removing the addictive substance and another that can't. So like with opiate addiction you have the people who were prescribed opiates to deal with pain, but then develop a physical addiction that they can't shake off. These people respond well to tapering off the medication. The second group are people with a different underlying illness, and they self prescribe drugs like alcohol or opiates. Tapering off their drug of choice is not effective for this group because the addiction is not the problem, just a symptom of an underlying illness like depression, PTSD, etc. This group should be prescribed drugs and psych therapy.
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I only found out quite recently that Robin DiAngelo is white. WTF LMAO
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Dolphin posted:I think there are two kinds of addiction, one that can be treated by removing the addictive substance and another that can't. So like with opiate addiction you have the people who were prescribed opiates to deal with pain, but then develop a physical addiction that they can't shake off. These people respond well to tapering off the medication. The second group are people with a different underlying illness, and they self prescribe drugs like alcohol or opiates. Tapering off their drug of choice is not effective for this group because the addiction is not the problem, just a symptom of an underlying illness like depression, PTSD, etc. This group should be prescribed drugs and psych therapy. You'll notice a lot of the time that second group of people will replace their addictions with socially acceptable ones too, like fervent religion or becoming super gym rats because of the brain chemicals they get from that.
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TheWeepingHorse posted:I only found out quite recently that Robin DiAngelo is white. WTF LMAO poo poo i never knew that. i mean i think alot of white folks need to come to terms about racist poo poo and systemic racesim etc but like idk if this lady should be the one yelling it. idk.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:poo poo i never knew that. i mean i think alot of white folks need to come to terms about racist poo poo and systemic racesim etc but like idk if this lady should be the one yelling it. idk. You can book her for just ten thousand dollars!
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does anyone have any tricks for becoming rich by telling people im not racist
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ChunTheUnavoidable posted:does anyone have any tricks for becoming rich by telling people im not racist The way it works is you tell them how racist they are and then they applaud you and pay you.
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You’re all racists Edit: I’m not tho
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AHH F/UGH posted:You’re all racists what’s your venmo
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Icochet posted:I wouldn't buy a used car from Karl Marx Crazy Karl's Cars.
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nvidiagouge posted:You can book her for just ten thousand dollars! lol. ChunTheUnavoidable posted:does anyone have any tricks for becoming rich by telling people im not racist i would but i dont have a doctorate.
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Icochet posted:I wouldn't buy a used car from Karl Marx
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am more annoyed that most history books are clickbait and or cheap trash that doesnt do the subject justice. Its especially annoying because “white fragility” does describe a real phenomenon where white people get incredibly weird and brittle about race, mediated by their cultural and political upbringing. Unfortunately DiAngelo’s prescription is just HR-managed cultic confessionalism to wedge company control further into people’s lives while transforming white women into paypigs for whatever grifter comes along.
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I'm a federal employee and we had "anti-radicalization" training shoved on us after January 6th and it was just so pathetic. It had obviously been rushed out the door by angry Democrats, it only focused on right-wing radicalism, and the whole thing basically turned into everyone involved, including the minorities, making jokes with each other. My Mexican boss and I were messing around and he was like "hey man don't join the Aryan nation" and I was like "cool bro, just stay away from La Raza I hear they're troublemakers" and then we went to eat lunch. There's this belief among establishment/elite liberals that the only thing standing in the way of everyone else agreeing with them is just one more bland HR training that everyone hates having forced on them and it's funny to watch it shake out on the ground among normal people.
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nvidiagouge posted:I'm a federal employee and we had "anti-radicalization" training shoved on us after January 6th and it was just so pathetic. It had obviously been rushed out the door by angry Democrats, it only focused on right-wing radicalism, and the whole thing basically turned into everyone involved, including the minorities, making jokes with each other. My Mexican boss and I were messing around and he was like "hey man don't join the Aryan nation" and I was like "cool bro, just stay away from La Raza I hear they're troublemakers" and then we went to eat lunch. i think the problem is alot of the anti racism is bland as gently caress and uses like 30 academic buzzwords to make the basic point of "don't be a weird chud nutjob who is a bigot".
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i think the problem is alot of the anti racism is bland as gently caress and uses like 30 academic buzzwords to make the basic point of "don't be a weird chud nutjob who is a bigot". The managerial class has completely lost touch with the working class on so many levels in this country it's ridiculous. Everything is designed at that HR level to appeal to HR managers, not to function properly down at the production line level. If you don't have working class people giving you input on your policies, they aren't going to be effective with working people. Most of them already hate everything delivered in the sterile HR-jargon type speech and sending down stuffy elites to preach in that style to the underclass is a doomed endeavor.
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nvidiagouge posted:I'm a federal employee and we had "anti-radicalization" training shoved on us after January 6th and it was just so pathetic. It had obviously been rushed out the door by angry Democrats, it only focused on right-wing radicalism, and the whole thing basically turned into everyone involved, including the minorities, making jokes with each other. My Mexican boss and I were messing around and he was like "hey man don't join the Aryan nation" and I was like "cool bro, just stay away from La Raza I hear they're troublemakers" and then we went to eat lunch. Lmao all of those are about making you, the employee, liable for poo poo in non government positions. Also establishing what constitutes a fireable offense. Nobody gives a poo poo about training. I just copy all the stock photos of people starting at black computer screens and send them to my boss and say "that's me during trainings"
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:Lmao all of those are about making you, the employee, liable for poo poo in non government positions. Also establishing what constitutes a fireable offense. Relatedly, the amount of COVID compliance that has been just pencil whipped by the federal government is crazy. They just have a macro they change the numbers on they send out weekly addressing cases in our workspace, always claiming they aren't related, that the exposed people have been informed and that the areas have been cleaned. All that stuff never happens but they keep putting it out to cover their rear end with a paper trail.
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nvidiagouge posted:Relatedly, the amount of COVID compliance that has been just pencil whipped by the federal government is crazy. They just have a macro they change the numbers on they send out weekly addressing cases in our workspace, always claiming they aren't related, that the exposed people have been informed and that the areas have been cleaned. All that stuff never happens but they keep putting it out to cover their rear end with a paper trail. I put a sticker under my keyboard before I left in March 2020 and it was still there, nice and dusty last week.
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nvidiagouge posted:The managerial class has completely lost touch with the working class on so many levels in this country it's ridiculous. Everything is designed at that HR level to appeal to HR managers, not to function properly down at the production line level. If you don't have working class people giving you input on your policies, they aren't going to be effective with working people. Most of them already hate everything delivered in the sterile HR-jargon type speech and sending down stuffy elites to preach in that style to the underclass is a doomed endeavor. honestly i have less of a problem with the badly done HR diversity training and more just how loving lovely the whole "work place "training"/tutorial" market is. because i sat through hours of having to watch dipshit hacks gurgle about job productivity with bad jokes and etc and then having to write a mini paper on it. then i got like a Week of real training and then was tossed in the pool. my entire job is talking to people calling in about Unemployment issues and its pretty mentally depressing/boring/etc and we were barely trained on that outside like a week from the state. the rest was corpo bullshit about how to be a good worker. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:I put a sticker under my keyboard before I left in March 2020 and it was still there, nice and dusty last week. There are 4 people on my team. 2 had covid in the last month. Management didn't tell us anything. I had to hear about it indirectly through the grapevine. When I asked why we weren't informed they told us that we should be observing social distancing and masking so we weren't at risk and if we weren't then we were at fault anyway.
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nvidiagouge posted:There are 4 people on my team. 2 had covid in the last month. Management didn't tell us anything. I had to hear about it indirectly through the grapevine. When I asked why we weren't informed they told us that we should be observing social distancing and masking so we weren't at risk and if we weren't then we were at fault anyway. Lol
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