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StrangersInTheNight posted:That said, Cali is the 5th largest economy in the world, it could easily set an example and wield its soft power by not allowing guns on sets and that would have a vastly bigger effect on the industry at large than any of the well-meaning but naive suggestions for better systematic enforcement of gun safety regulations. At its core, this incident is about the blatant negligence towards safety that lead to a person's death. This kind of poo poo happens all the time with other stunts and we don't hear about them because they don't involve celebrities. Shoot, they drat near killed people with that gun multiple times on set and that wasn't newsworthy. They should absolutely stop using real, deadly weapons as decorations but the root of the problem here goes a lot deeper than just the guns.
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Absolutely, that's my point - the people saying this is just something that happens once in a blue moon are wrong. This sort of poo poo happens all the time. It's not the exception, it's endemic to the industry - it's how it works, it IS the industry, taking these risks to see if they pay off. So advocating for no deadly firearms on set is just a single step in protecting folks, but not the real issue and definitely won't fix everything. And saying asking for no deadly weapons on sets is an over-reaction because it's clearly been so organized and coordinated up until now is such a misunderstanding of how poo poo on sets actually goes, it makes me see red. Yeah, well when you've got pictures in your wallet of folks who've died on productions, you can talk about what's an over-reaction. I'm sick of my friends dying. Dying for your loving tv shows and movies. I am eagerly watching how the IATSE vote goes. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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StrangersInTheNight posted:would have a vastly bigger effect on the industry at large By this you mean moving even more production to NC/GA? e: TV/Movie production needs to get hit with the OSHA stick hard though. The things allowed there are just insanity.
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kind of disturbed by the armorer's lawyer's argument. if she was pressured by the AD to do things that were not safe, she should have refused. that she didn't and someone died doesn't absolve her of responsibility, they're both responsible. and saying that well the guns were left alone for a couple hours - not acceptable! trying to say someone sabotaged her on purpose - obvious bullshit. was the accidental discharge that happened a day or two earlier also sabotage? pathetic. she obviously wasn't able to do her actual job, which is to keep people safe around the guns, to the point of negligence
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Nov 4, 2021 14:43
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Lawyer: Instead of "not guilty" we're going with "least guilty."
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I don't think it has been posted in this thread but the costumer for Rust insists that the production was safe and that the people who walked off were just greedy https://deadline.com/2021/11/alec-baldwin-shooting-rust-movie-defense-repost-terese-magpale-davis-halyna-hutchins-joel-souza-1234866703/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CVybJ8FvsNY/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=a4a05a08-2486-4cea-9e96-049f0559a221 
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lol gotta love those anti-union narratives: THEY WANTED DIAMOND-CRUSTED BIDETS!
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I’m hearing someone snuck onto the set and replaced the lead actor (gentle and kindhearted brandon gleeson) with thrill-killing lunatic Alec Baldwin and nobody realized until he got an ultra rare collateral damage kill achievement on the videographer
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:lol gotta love those anti-union narratives: THEY WANTED DIAMOND-CRUSTED BIDETS! The producers really cared about our safety and that's why they ignored safety protocol because we were a whole half hour behind resulting in my coworkers death. Also, the repeated unintended gunshots were just the guns being used in such a way that they were getting accidentally fired repeatedly and weren't broken, so clearly there were no gun safety issues there and it wasn't a red flag that the set was dangerous.
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Nov 4, 2021 15:04
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Absolutely no safety concerns on a set that literally killed a person; everybody knows that you can’t make a movie without working 12-hour days and at least three random gunshots. Fuckin ivory tower liberals all up in my mentions.
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Nov 4, 2021 15:08
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:i'm no gunologist but i'm pretty sure they can be stored in places other than random piles where any plinker can get at them over lunch nope. if you knew anything about guns, you'd know that this isn't the case. it's in the second amendment that ammunition can only be stored in random piles where any plinker can get at them over lunch
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Mozi posted:kind of disturbed by the armorer's lawyer's argument. if she was pressured by the AD to do things that were not safe, she should have refused. that she didn't and someone died doesn't absolve her of responsibility, they're both responsible. and saying that well the guns were left alone for a couple hours - not acceptable! trying to say someone sabotaged her on purpose - obvious bullshit. was the accidental discharge that happened a day or two earlier also sabotage? pathetic. she obviously wasn't able to do her actual job, which is to keep people safe around the guns, to the point of negligence remember that the lawyer is under no requirement to act in good faith or tell the truth when posturing for the press and speaking to the public. in the window of time before legal filings start flying and they actually wind up in a courtroom, they're going to throw as much poo poo at the wall as possible in an effort to bluff and bluster their client's way out of taking the fall. punishedkissinger posted:I don't think it has been posted in this thread but the costumer for Rust insists that the production was safe and that the people who walked off were just greedy gonna climb way out on a limb here and suggest that if your lead actor shoots a couple of people and that wasn't even the first accidental discharge of the week, your set was definitionally "unsafe and chaotic". less than three weeks between Alec blasting two people with a live handgun, and Alec taking to social media to retweet that actually, the set where I blasted two people with a live handgun was totally not unsafe and chaotic. if Halyna were still here with us, she'd be the first to tell you how well-rested and safe she felt, right up to the point where I blasted her
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Absolutely, that's my point - the people saying this is just something that happens once in a blue moon are wrong. This sort of poo poo happens all the time. It's not the exception, it's endemic to the industry - it's how it works, it IS the industry, taking these risks to see if they pay off. So advocating for no deadly firearms on set is just a single step in protecting folks, but not the real issue and definitely won't fix everything.
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maybe alec just wanted to kill someone and felt this was the way to not get punished
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Blotto_Otter posted:less than three weeks between Alec blasting two people with a live handgun, and Alec taking to social media to retweet that actually, the set where I blasted two people with a live handgun was totally not unsafe and chaotic. if Halyna were still here with us, she'd be the first to tell you how well-rested and safe she felt, right up to the point where I blasted her yeah it seems kinda hosed up that he would repost this honestly
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Real gunshots look way better, so I think that there should actually be more real weapons and blanks in movies.
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All movies should use swords like Dune and The Scarlet Pimpernel
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Nov 4, 2021 15:36
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Seems to me the real danger here is movies. Gun accidents only ever seem to occur during movie productions. We should ban all movies to keep our precious guns safe.
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Nov 4, 2021 15:37
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Caesar Saladin posted:Real gunshots look way better, so I think that there should actually be more real weapons and blanks in movies. Actors are terrible at acting the way that people react when they really get shot. I think we should be shooting more people in movies, not less.
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Nov 4, 2021 15:37
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You know what, we have enough movies. No need to make any more.
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Nov 4, 2021 15:41
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My favorite movie trivia is still that when they recorded the “Saruman dies” deleted scene, Sir Christopher Lee was instructed to scream his guts out, and he flat out refused and explained that he knows exactly what a dude getting stabbed in the lung sounds like.
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punishedkissinger posted:https://www.instagram.com/p/CVybJ8FvsNY/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=a4a05a08-2486-4cea-9e96-049f0559a221 I have some evidence that might show it wasn't safe.
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Nov 4, 2021 15:49
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It was the safest gun death in years.
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no offense to costumers but i feel like they might not have the best perspective on whether the set is safe either
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oh dope posted:You know what, we have enough movies. No need to make any more. I'm sort of this opinion re: real guns on sets. Real guns aren't going to magically fix what's wrong with most modern action movies for the viewers that want that, and there's plenty of underappreciated gems from the 80s and 90s filled with squibs and real guns and absurd stunts and pyro You could probably spend an entire week 10 hours a day watching Jackie Chan unsuccessfully trying to commit suicide on camera alone
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its not like joining the union would have made her less of a dumbass, i feel like you don't even need training or education to know that you don't put the real murder bullets in the movie gun, she was just a huge dumbass
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oh dope posted:You know what, we have enough movies. No need to make any more. But there are still so many remakes that need to be done.
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punishedkissinger posted:no offense to costumers but i feel like they might not have the best perspective on whether the set is safe either She was only working 11 1/2 hours a day!!
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:She was only working 11 1/2 hours a day!! I also love the "56 hour weekend!" Making it sound like it was some kind of special long weekend. But if you're working an 8-5, your standard two-day weekend is 63 hours. This person is bragging about the equivalent of leaving work at 11:00pm on a Friday night and coming in at 7:00am Monday morning.
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the magpale is where you keep yr ammo "Right to work! Right to work!" - Terry Magpale Maggoo, Costumer
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How is it sabotage if in any normal circumstance, live bullets would've been caught by a competent armorer? Or was the sabotage assuming the live bullet would've killed someone, so it's actually a murder attempt?
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Aardvark! posted:It was the safest gun death in years. Well I can't argue with that
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Vitamin Me posted:How is it sabotage if in any normal circumstance, live bullets would've been caught by a competent armorer? Isn't there some old rule like "if your defense attorney is talking to the press, you have a bad defense attorney"? I have a feeling the armorer's representation is just as competent at their job as she was.
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lol they're really going with the 'agent provocateurs snuck in a live round into the dummy round box during this time of turmoil in the industry in order to bolster POLITICS' conspiracy angle lollllllllllll omg wow "that's entertaaaaaainmeeeent" *top hat, jazz hands* StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Nov 4, 2021 |
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Terry Ammomagazine has a fun social media history.
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LegalEagle just dropped a breakdown... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXmAeMQCvZQ
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punishedkissinger posted:no offense to costumers but i feel like they might not have the best perspective on whether the set is safe either "The set had safety first in mind. Did I gash myself on an incredibly sharp rotary cutter? Only twice, and we kept the cloth clean every time!"
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