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Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
e/ I'm dumb and christ what a snipe


I didn't clock who this was at first and thought it was a recent photo

Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Oct 28, 2021

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
https://i.imgur.com/iTIlYZS.mp4

Dude on the bike is literally the only person in 7 billion human beings who couldn't see how this was ending.

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRNfyz1Cgvg

dema
Aug 13, 2006

Was looking through my photos for something and ran across these that I took in 2017:





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britten_V1000 in Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa.

Toe Rag
Aug 29, 2005

I want to power wheelie out of corners :unsmith:

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

dema posted:

Was looking through my photos for something and ran across these that I took in 2017:





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britten_V1000 in Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa.

The one that runs and gets ridden regularly:




echomadman
Aug 24, 2004

Nap Ghost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlZ6w3yILII

https://www.crightonmotorcycles.com/

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

:awesome:

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7025223026413178158

I’m all the clothing that comes off randomly

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7025223026413178158

I’m all the clothing that comes off randomly

This is why trikes don't get the wave.

ought ten
Feb 6, 2004

I’m not a tenth as brave as those skaters. Just sitting or standing there while that thing whips all over the place.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012


All that work and effort and they top it off with an awful direct shock mounted halfway down the swingarm like they're trying to replicate the 80's handling experience as well. :sad:

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.


I'm not sure I'm buying that fuel injection works better on cars than motorcycles because motorcycles rev too quickly.

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


I’m not sure I’m buying that his bike won’t run if it sits for four weeks with etoh gas in it.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

PeterCat posted:

I'm not sure I'm buying that fuel injection works better on cars than motorcycles because motorcycles rev too quickly.

Seems like a massive oversimplification/chinese whispers situation.

EFI is harder to implement on bikes because of a number of factors that aren't significant on car engines. But bikes being behind on emissions regulation probably didn't help the situation.

Supradog
Sep 1, 2004

A POOOST!?!??! YEEAAAAHHHH

dema
Aug 13, 2006

Denver. Represent.

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002

goddamnedtwisto posted:

https://i.imgur.com/iTIlYZS.mp4

Dude on the bike is literally the only person in 7 billion human beings who couldn't see how this was ending.
Not available

Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7025223026413178158

I’m all the clothing that comes off randomly

This just makes me want a canam all the more.

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

PeterCat posted:

I'm not sure I'm buying that fuel injection works better on cars than motorcycles because motorcycles rev too quickly.

That part was specific to direct injection (as opposed to port injection) which I think is probably at least a little valid.

The big takeaway from that video is "boy, cars sure have a lot more regulatory pressure on them than motorcycles do"

Supradog
Sep 1, 2004

A POOOST!?!??! YEEAAAAHHHH

Memento posted:

https://i.imgur.com/9TLcQ51.mp4

Has sound, adds to the experience but not essential.

I enjoyed that air time.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




A whole lot of people are taking things to skateparks that shouldn’t be at skateparks lately

Ulf
Jul 15, 2001

FOUR COLORS
ONE LOVE
Nap Ghost
After a decade Zero has finally updated their SR line. It no longer looks like an anemic 2006 MT-03.

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New:

Ulf fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Nov 4, 2021

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



Supradog posted:

I enjoyed that air time.

He's very lucky that didn't land on his spine

Gorson
Aug 29, 2014

That's a massive improvement. I see they also went to dual front brakes.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Ulf posted:

After a decade Zero has finally updated their SR line. It no longer looks like an anemic 2006 MT-03.

Old:



New:


It looks just like a livewire.

Theory: by virtue of having to be sporty and light looking while enclosing an air conditioning unit in the middle, I think all electric bikes will end up looking very similar to this and Harley just figured it out earlier because they're product packaging specialists. This look will become synonymous with electrics the way awkward teardrop shaped liftbacks with a stupid tiny window just above the bumper was pioneered by the Prius but is now the defacto style of all hybrid/electric lifestyle cars.

Nfcknblvbl
Jul 15, 2002

I think my electric bike looks fine

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Ulf posted:

After a decade Zero has finally updated their SR line. It no longer looks like an anemic 2006 MT-03.

Old:



New:


Sweet. That is a big improvement.

Can it charge in an hour yet, or does it still have the anemic 4+ hour onboard thing?

I want 150 mile range and 1 hour charging (let's say 0 to 80% to be nice) and less than $10,000. Well and I need a garage to put it in. But then I'll buy one, yep

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002
I wish Tesla wood open up their charging infrastructure to some, if not all motorcycle makers. Any motorcycle with fast charging capabilities and access to that network will dominate.

hoho`win
Mar 7, 2003

Nitrox posted:

I wish Tesla wood open up their charging infrastructure to some, if not all motorcycle makers. Any motorcycle with fast charging capabilities and access to that network will dominate.

I would think the current barrier for fast DC charging motorcycles is heat management. I don't think the Zero has a radiator and I think the rad on the Livewire is just for the motor, not connected to the battery pack.

Ulf
Jul 15, 2001

FOUR COLORS
ONE LOVE
Nap Ghost

Sagebrush posted:

Can it charge in an hour yet, or does it still have the anemic 4+ hour onboard thing?

I want 150 mile range and 1 hour charging (let's say 0 to 80% to be nice) and less than $10,000. Well and I need a garage to put it in. But then I'll buy one, yep
My '18 SR charged in ~an hour (6kW J1772 charging), this one might allow 12kW but I haven't checked (you'd also need to find a relatively rare J1772 EVSE that'll go that high).

What you want is DC charging to get past the 1C (1 hour) barrier, nfcknblvbl's energica and the LiveWire have that. Zero still doesn't.

The $10k barrier's going to be the last hurdle on your list, and I wouldn't hold my breath.

Horse Clocks
Dec 14, 2004


Nitrox posted:

I wish Tesla wood open up their charging infrastructure to some, if not all motorcycle makers. Any motorcycle with fast charging capabilities and access to that network will dominate.

I believe Musk has gone on record as being anti motorcycle. (Because he had a bad crash once)

So I wouldn’t hold your breath.

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020




Tesla has now opened their superchargers to other brands of vehicles in the Netherlands as a trial run. But you're paying a premium for being allowed to use them.

Considering we have Fastned chargers on the main highway routes, and i haven't really seen any tesla superchargers anywhere except where there are already other fast chargers, i think the result will be 'we found out that there is no interest! So quit forcing us to make it so that others can use our gas pump charger willy nilly!'

As a side note, electric motorcycles don't have the 80 or so kwh battery pack for which you need a truly staggering amount of power to charge it quickly. Modern houses (not apartments) are built with 230v 3 phase 25 or 35a mains connections.
This means that with active load management you can charge your electric bike with 15 to 20kw of power. A 15kwh battery pack can be charged in one hour.

Because these mains connections are so common, it also means that you can access random street chargers with such levels of power. I don't know how much power our street chargers actually put out, but technically there is no reason why they couldn't put out 15ish kw.

In short: it doesn't matter what tesla does with regards to bikes, because bikes are devices that can technically be charged in one hour, even on modern residential electric circuits.
That said, the standard home charger is a slow charger running on one 16a 230v circuit. The philosophy behind it is that you have plenty of time to charge, and the grid can handle slow continuous loads easier than big peak loads.

I have too little knowledge about USA residential electrics. If thats 110v 2 phase 100 amps, then it should be possible to also safely draw 15ish kW for use with a charger, provided the rest of the loads are actively managed - so no one's using an oven/microwave/electric heater while you're charging etc.

LimaBiker fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Nov 5, 2021

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Good thing nobody will ever come home, put the bike on charge, turn on the air conditioner, and make dinner! :v:

MetaJew
Apr 14, 2006
Gather round, one and all, and thrill to my turgid tales of underwhelming misadventure!
Until I can get a electrician to come upgrade my service and add a 60 amp circuit to charge our Tesla, I am charging it with a 110V, 20 amp circuit, at 16 amps. It gets the job done for how little we are driving, but because the one garage outlet I have is on the same circuit as all of the bathrooms, it means you can't use a hair dryer and charge the car at the same time.

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020




The nice thing about automatic/active load management is that you can use your hair dryer, water kettle or microwave for those 10 minutes, and then charging at high speed can resume.
When done right, you're not gonna pop the fuse, and because it's a few minutes at a time that one uses such things, it doesn't have that big of an impact.

The main issue is that the technology is still really new and expensive (for domestic use) and that many shiny new ~smart devices~ just love to farm your data.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

LimaBiker posted:

I have too little knowledge about USA residential electrics. If thats 110v 2 phase 100 amps, then it should be possible to also safely draw 15ish kW for use with a charger, provided the rest of the loads are actively managed - so no one's using an oven/microwave/electric heater while you're charging etc.

I only just found out about this last week (which is pitiful) but in the US and Canada, homes are supplied with 240v split-phase power - two 120v hot lines, 180° out of phase with eachother, and a neutral in the middle. Most of our home circuits are wired for 120v, so one of the hot lines and the neutral, and in the breaker panel I think it's supposed to alternate between one hot and the other for each consecutive breaker. But for high power appliances like electric ovens or dryers or AC, you can have a 240v circuit by connecting it to both power conductors.

I have no idea what this implies for rapid charging your bike, though.

MetaJew
Apr 14, 2006
Gather round, one and all, and thrill to my turgid tales of underwhelming misadventure!

Phy posted:

I only just found out about this last week (which is pitiful) but in the US and Canada, homes are supplied with 240v split-phase power - two 120v hot lines, 180° out of phase with eachother, and a neutral in the middle. Most of our home circuits are wired for 120v, so one of the hot lines and the neutral, and in the breaker panel I think it's supposed to alternate between one hot and the other for each consecutive breaker. But for high power appliances like electric ovens or dryers or AC, you can have a 240v circuit by connecting it to both power conductors.

I have no idea what this implies for rapid charging your bike, though.

For the high power DC fast charging, i think you're going to need something like a 90-100 Amp circuit. I don't know if that's 1 or 2 phases.

The issue I'm running into for my 1991 house is that the conductors coming from the city to my meter are sized for maybe 150 Amps and my panel and meter are currently sized for ~100A. So, to add more circuits, and especially a higher current charging circuit I have to get my panel and meter upgraded to 150A (most I can do without paying several thousand dollars for the city to run larger conductors from the transformer to my meter). Then, I have a subpanel that also needs to be upgraded and run a 60A circuit to my garage. Copper is also pretty expensive-- I think the electrician I spoke with said that just in material it's about $4/ft for a 60amp wire, and I have ~75ft to get it from one corner of the house to the garage.

LimaBiker
Dec 9, 2020




In the USA, 1 phase at 100 amps would get you about 10kW of power, which is already quite a decent amount for a bike.

However, it would be wasteful (in copper wiring) to run it on 110v. You can do with half the amount of copper in your wires, if you run it at 50 amp, 240v, connected to the two incoming hot wires.
You could also install the Big rear end Wires for 100a and end up with over 20kW of power. But yeah, copper is hellishly expensive. There's one benefit though - that copper is probably only gonna rise in value so if/when you aren't charging at home anymore, you can just sell the wiring.

If 100 amp mains inputs are common in the USA, then having a fast-ish street charger should technically be possible. For cars, it would not be that fast, but for bikes a house-sized electrical connection is plenty to go from 10 to 80% in less than an hour.

100A is a staggeringly high amount of current though. It creeps me the gently caress out. It's the amount of current you use for welding, but then with a lot higher voltage. I'd rather have the 230v/400v 3 phase system, so you can draw 10kW from a 3x 16a circuit. Perhaps this is the perfect time to start rolling out 3 phase infrastructure to supply chargers with power, and then also use it for houses.

LimaBiker fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Nov 6, 2021

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Dog Case
Oct 7, 2003

Heeelp meee... prevent wildfires
Lol at the thought of upgrading infrastructure in the US. Our 100+ year old electrical grid regularly burns down entire states now and that's the way we like it

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