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I've been reading the Falco series over the past six months or so, and they've got a lot to say about the Roman police/firefighter combo. I assume it's fairly well researched, even if a lot of it is speculative fiction.
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The Lone Badger posted:If your village is small enough then one guy yelling really loudly counts as mass-media. I think they call them a muezzin.
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Nov 5, 2021 05:31
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All centurions are bastards!
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Telsa Cola posted:while freeze distillation is a thing I havent seen that backdated that far out. I mean it's not something necessarily something someone would even write about. Especially because, as mentioned, you'd need to be somewhere where it commonly gets below freezing in winter which is not the parts of the ancient world where people were writing things down. But all you have to do is leave your mead or w/e outside accidentally then remove the ice from it in the morning and it'll happen. It's not hard to discover.
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feedmegin posted:I mean it's not something necessarily something someone would even write about. Especially because, as mentioned, you'd need to be somewhere where it commonly gets below freezing in winter which is not the parts of the ancient world where people were writing things down. But all you have to do is leave your mead or w/e outside accidentally then remove the ice from it in the morning and it'll happen. It's not hard to discover. There's not really any deeper discussion to be had on that though with out any literary or material evidence beyond "Well, maybe?" though. Basically it maybe happened, but we lack any evidence that anybody cared enough about it to do anything. Besides, earliest record of people writing about it is something like 1300s (maybe), that's a whole lot of time with a whole lot of literate people's in areas where it gets cold enough to freeze that no one mentions it. The closest and oldest thing I have seen is Roman's discussing that grapes should be harvested after a frost because it makes better wine. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Nov 5, 2021 |
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Nov 5, 2021 18:24
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Water freezes at higher elevations notwithstanding any latitude
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Nov 5, 2021 18:36
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Telsa Cola posted:There's not really any deeper discussion to be had on that though with out any literary or material evidence beyond "Well, maybe?" though. I was just thinking about this and talking it over with someone who has some chemistry knowledge and we were trying to figure out if this is because the wine comes from grapes that already fermented or if it's because grapes that have frozen would have ruptured membranes and therefore be easier to extract juice from. edit: also, parts of Italy can get very cold because it's mountainous and the Romans would absolutely have places to store wine that would result in frost forming.
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Nov 5, 2021 19:40
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Ithle01 posted:I was just thinking about this and talking it over with someone who has some chemistry knowledge and we were trying to figure out if this is because the wine comes from grapes that already fermented or if it's because grapes that have frozen would have ruptured membranes and therefore be easier to extract juice from. Its because the sugars and such don't freeze out and the water does, so when you press them you get a concentrate.
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Nov 5, 2021 19:46
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The Lone Badger posted:If your village is small enough then one guy yelling really loudly counts as mass-media. Heck didn't the Romans do this or is it just a mass media mass media trope? feedmegin posted:I mean it's not something necessarily something someone would even write about. Especially because, as mentioned, you'd need to be somewhere where it commonly gets below freezing in winter which is not the parts of the ancient world where people were writing things down. But all you have to do is leave your mead or w/e outside accidentally then remove the ice from it in the morning and it'll happen. It's not hard to discover. Places like Iran? Tabriz average lows are -3, -7 and -5 degrees Celsius for December, January and February respectively.
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Nov 5, 2021 19:55
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Weka posted:Heck didn't the Romans do this or is it just a mass media mass media trope? The news dude in Rome was a real thing. They were called praecones, a number of written sources mention them.
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Nov 5, 2021 20:03
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Telsa Cola posted:Its because the sugars and such don't freeze out and the water does, so when you press them you get a concentrate. Yeah that makes sense. I'm a bit slow on the uptake today and the grape juice is pretty obvious now that I think about it.
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Nov 5, 2021 20:28
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I don't listen to the praecones mainstreames
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Nov 5, 2021 22:25
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I still lol over the guy in Rome. "Mockery of Jews and their One God will be kept to an appropriate minimum."
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Biology guy here: If you feel like recreating applejack or related freeze destillates, please please please run it through a molecular sieve afterwards, because the raw product contains a lot of aldehyde fusels and esters (bad) and methanol (super bad) that the process itself does not get rid of.
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Tias posted:Biology guy here: If you feel like recreating applejack or related freeze destillates, please please please run it through a molecular sieve afterwards, because the raw product contains a lot of aldehyde fusels and esters (bad) and ethanol (super bad) that the process itself does not get rid of. Do you mean methanol? Because people consider ethanol the whole point.
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It's pretty easy to test if you've made methanol. Just drink a bunch and if you end up dead or blind you know you hosed up.
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Tias posted:Biology guy here: If you feel like recreating applejack or related freeze destillates, please please please run it through a molecular sieve afterwards, because the raw product contains a lot of aldehyde fusels and esters (bad) and ethanol (super bad) that the process itself does not get rid of. Ethanol is what makes you drunk, Methanol is the stuff that makes you blind. You want to get rid of the Methanol, NOT the Ethanol.
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Nov 6, 2021 12:56
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Ya’ll forget that mass media in Roman times was awesome https://youtu.be/xH0kO5qcPf8
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Nov 6, 2021 12:58
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Ian McNeice should record an audio book of Gallic Wars
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Nov 6, 2021 13:13
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Right you are, was a wee bit too eager typing that
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Nov 6, 2021 13:26
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Chopstix posted:Ya’ll forget that mass media in Roman times was awesome How many of these guys would there be throughout the city?
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SlothfulCobra posted:How many of these guys would there be throughout the city? Now that goes well beyond what we know, unfortunately. I would assume a city the size of Rome had a bunch.
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Chopstix posted:Ya’ll forget that mass media in Roman times was awesome lol i forgot that when he reads the "martial law! no unauthorized gatherings of three or more men allowed!" he suddenly looks at his two slaves and the marching soldiers like "wait gently caress"
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Nov 6, 2021 16:20
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Grand Fromage posted:Now that goes well beyond what we know, unfortunately. I would assume a city the size of Rome had a bunch. An interesting little detail in McCullough's Rome books is when Caesar gives dramatic speeches to his legions, he has shouty people with clear voices relay his words onwards.
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Nov 7, 2021 11:19
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Tree Bucket posted:An interesting little detail in McCullough's Rome books is when Caesar gives dramatic speeches to his legions, he has shouty people with clear voices relay his words onwards. It’s a long proud profession https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTLTT_x2Hpg
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Stupid question re bowyery: I know crossbows frequently had the crosspiece made from steel, and that some modern powers are tubular steel. Have any historical cultures used steel in (non-cross) bows, or is that just way more effort than its worth?
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The Lone Badger posted:Stupid question re bowyery: I know crossbows frequently had the crosspiece made from steel, and that some modern powers are tubular steel. Have any historical cultures used steel in (non-cross) bows, or is that just way more effort than its worth? Numenor
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Numenor Dammit you beat me too it. But I too wish to know if it’s feasible or even possible. Weren’t the Numenorean ones hollow?
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Looks like it might have been a thing for a brief period of time in 18th and 19th century india? Some brief googling suggests there have been a couple of seemingly one offs, one found in post colonial America, and Middle Eastern one from the 13th to 14th centuries. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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The Lone Badger posted:Stupid question re bowyery: I know crossbows frequently had the crosspiece made from steel, and that some modern powers are tubular steel. Have any historical cultures used steel in (non-cross) bows, or is that just way more effort than its worth? There's indian steel bows. They don't perform well. Steel bows have too much mass, but they don't rot in hot and humid climate and vermin doesn't eat them. Composite is superior in performance. Composite prods are a thing. In "Die Hornbogenarmbrust" there was a part about swiss guild regulations that stipulated what can be used in them and how they need to be sold as. Prods made of Ibex horn were considered superior, hence more expensive. It was forbidden to rework prods made from cow horn and for them to be sold as the ones from Ibex.
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https://twitter.com/uaustinclassics/status/1457865584134213634
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*getting stabbed to death by my peers* ummm haha get woke go broke much?
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Nov 9, 2021 14:56
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um actually the wokescolds didn't cancel rome until 1453
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eke out posted:um actually the wokescolds didn't cancel rome until 1453 1922
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Nov 9, 2021 15:30
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Jesus Christ Oh well I guess classics has always been a hotbed for fascism in some degree
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Nov 9, 2021 15:32
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Censorship in a society without true mass communications. Ok.
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Nov 9, 2021 15:34
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Maybe they are referring to the act of qualifying citizens for membership in the comitia centuriata
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its a joke twitter guys its ok
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Nov 9, 2021 16:32
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WoodrowSkillson posted:its a joke twitter guys its ok You literally can’t tell anymore.
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'The Cancellation of Julius Caesar' is brilliant though.
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