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Kurzon posted:I was told that Frank Herbert was a feminist. Everything's comparative when you're talking about scifi from the 60s and 70s (and 80s and 90s and...)
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:FTL ships don't necessarily imply FTL communication, and there's a whole sub-genre of science fiction where it's basically the norm - namely space opera. FTL ships ARE FTL communication. Even if a heighliner just carries a single imperial herald, information would move extremely quickly through the empire.
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MrYenko posted:FTL ships ARE FTL communication. Even if a heighliner just carries a single imperial herald, information would move extremely quickly through the empire. I'm enough of a nerd that I spent one or more posts in the GBS thread theorizing about whether the Guild Heighliners travel in a hub-spoke model, ad-hoc where they need to, or whether it's more like a planned set of routes on a time table. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Nov 7, 2021 |
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:FTL communication as used in science fiction is usually distinct from someone carrying messages on FTL ships, but you're right that it's still faster-than-messages-sent-at-c. Probably a combination of all three. You've got planets like Kaitain that'll have a lot of direct to-and-from traffic for goods alone due to population or importance or whatever that'd be a hub and then there's longer general trade routes around long series of major Great House planets and then more rare special charters for when something needs to go somewhere rapidly. It's a million+ worlds there's room for diversity.
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I can't remember if the novels have any indication that the guild ships are jump gates like depicted in the movie, I always imagined that they were just really big vessels that can move as fast as the plot requires them to and that it was really expensive for them to go places, so it always felt to me like dune was of the particular soft sci-fi brand that had implicit FTL communications without delving into the logistics of them at all, it's been years since my last re-read but I really can't think of any instance where FTL communications are discussed as a logistic hurdle, or something particularly expensive. Maybe it's just my bad memory.
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It's doable. You just have to trust in your abilities as a director and in your actors. In this scene from Dune 84 the duke is upset about the fuckup with the harvester and then kynes has a long reaction shot with a voiceover explaining how he is re-evaluating the duke. But, you don't really need the voiceover to get it. 
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MrYenko posted:FTL ships ARE FTL communication. Even if a heighliner just carries a single imperial herald, information would move extremely quickly through the empire. Yea but they make a point of how expensive that trip was just to send the message. It's possible that the only ftl communication that exists is what's conveyed on these freighters, effectively either rumors or very formal pronouncements.
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Dune definitely doesn’t have ftl radio. There is tons of plot points about curriers being killed, captured, faked, delayed, etc. everything is sent by the space equivalent of horse messengers
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Complications posted:Probably a combination of all three. You've got planets like Kaitain that'll have a lot of direct to-and-from traffic for goods alone due to population or importance or whatever that'd be a hub and then there's longer general trade routes around long series of major Great House planets and then more rare special charters for when something needs to go somewhere rapidly. It's a million+ worlds there's room for diversity. emanresu tnuocca posted:I can't remember if the novels have any indication that the guild ships are jump gates like depicted in the movie, I always imagined that they were just really big vessels that can move as fast as the plot requires them to and that it was really expensive for them to go places, so it always felt to me like dune was of the particular soft sci-fi brand that had implicit FTL communications without delving into the logistics of them at all, it's been years since my last re-read but I really can't think of any instance where FTL communications are discussed as a logistic hurdle, or something particularly expensive. Maybe it's just my bad memory. I've said it before, but Dune is the best kind of science fiction because it's about people, not about technobabble. That's also another thing the books of the failson fall short of.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:
I feel like the exact opposite, dune is like peak sci-fi of people just walking around, entering rooms and then whoever is in the room spontaneously reciting the wikipedia page of the entire history of whatever random object they are holding or group they belong to. Like 75% of scenes in dune start with someone narrating to someone else what something is called and what it does. It's why by the end most characters were immortal or clones of each other, so they could just stop having characters to write and have more time for everyone to explain things to each other more. Like I love dune but it's up there with Stephen baxter books for "everyone exists just to walk around and explain the setting to the reader"
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The spice gives health and long life https://i.imgur.com/0LcqCSv.mp4
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Typo posted:I don't see how you can possibly adapt book 2/3 at all into a movie meant for general audience It would never happen in a million years but I would have Lynch do Messiah.
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Arglebargle III posted:The spice gives health and long life Hot Pot base? Why the tofu? edit: oh, is it lard? thotsky fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I feel like the exact opposite, dune is like peak sci-fi of people just walking around, entering rooms and then whoever is in the room spontaneously reciting the wikipedia page of the entire history of whatever random object they are holding or group they belong to. Like 75% of scenes in dune start with someone narrating to someone else what something is called and what it does. that's not technobabble
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exposition is really loving tough to write in a novel let alone in a screenplay, and that goes double for some of the crazy poo poo in sci-fi. Dune the movie left a lot of stuff on the floor in the translation between book and cinema and there's a few things I wish had been included, but generally I can't complain with how the movie pulled it off. Like, Kubrick's Shining left a ton of Jack's character out of the movie, and sort of suffered for it compared to the rich characterization of the novel, but Kubrick nailed the creeping-horror feel of the Overlook. That's sort of how I feel about Dune. And also Denis Villeneuve generally. The quality of the directing and cinematography is so good that it accidentally makes a gap between the audience and the characters. Good directors like Kubrick, Villeneuve, et al can use that to tell otherworldly stories. Bad directors don't. Inception and Tenet come to mind.
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Ej posted:It's doable. You just have to trust in your abilities as a director and in your actors. In this scene from Dune 84 the duke is upset about the fuckup with the harvester and then kynes has a long reaction shot with a voiceover explaining how he is re-evaluating the duke. But, you don't really need the voiceover to get it. A similar shot was in DUNC too when the duke tells the harvesters to start running already, Kynes has this quick but noticable reaction. Gets the same point across. (speaking of long reaction shots. I just love the drawn out introductions to Gurney/Yueh and Thufir in the extended Lynch cut, where they just have to stand still and wait for the narration to end)
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The best way to do exposition is the Jack Kirby way, where the characters just scream it at each other at the top of their voices
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2house2fly posted:The best way to do exposition is the Jack Kirby way, where the characters just scream it at each other at the top of their voices Also you must be in a wrestling pose while you make speeches
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thotsky posted:Hot Pot base? Why the tofu? It’s butter.
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No, it's lard.
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In a lot of ways the whole novel is exposition. You feel like the setup is done and the real story is getting started right about the time you hit the back cover.
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Captain von Trapp posted:In a lot of ways the whole novel is exposition. No, it's lard.
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Regarde Aduck posted:that's not technobabble I’m not going to poison you with a needle, I am going to hold a gom jabber to your neck which is coated in meta cyanide, let me explain the whole history of this needle while we stand here with me threatening to kill you. Like I love dune, but it is literally like 95% people saying made up words then explaining long histories and rule sets about that made up word.
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I guess lard is pig fat? It's cow fat.
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Arglebargle III posted:I guess lard is pig fat? It's cow fat. I looked the video up because it's super cool. It's beef fat. https://www.inkstonenews.com/food/last-wonton-how-hotpot-soup-made/article/3000956 Now can anyone identify all of the spices in the spice bowl? Starts with star anise and that's about as far as I get.
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Cow fat is tallow
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Coolnezzz posted:
If you don’t mind me going back and forth on google translate for the next 15 minutes… (a lot of these are going to be Chinese spices you’ve never heard of) 八角 Star anise 草果 Tsaoko 甘草 Licorice 白扣 "White buttons" 香草 Vanilla (possibly a "fragrant grass") 香皮 Xiangpi... Periploca? 楂皮 Hawthorn peel? 丁香 Cloves 碧波 Long peppercorn 良姜 Ginger 黄挂 Looks like cinnamon (literally "yellow hanging") 挂皮 Might be a different type of cinnamon (literally "hanging leather") 毛沙仁 "The hair of" Wurfbainia villosa 香菜籽 Coriander seeds 栀子 Gardenia 千里香 Orange Jessamine 沙仁 Wurfbania Villosa 香草 Vanilla, again (possibly a "fragrant grass") 山楂 Hawthorn again? Except maybe mountain hawthorn? 香果 Possibly allspice or a relative 小茴香 Fennel 木香 Lady Banks Rose flowers 老扣 (literally "Old buckle") 山奈 Galangal 香叶 Bay leaf JFC that's a lot of seasoning Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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Steve Yun posted:楂皮 Hawthorn peel? Chinese hawthorn is a type of berry right? There's some junk food items made from it too like haw flakes and IIRC it's used to be very common as a sweetener in stuff.
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I don't think 香草 literally means vanilla beans here. Those sure don't look like vanilla beans, and I've never tasted vanilla in hot pot broth.
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Arglebargle III posted:I don't think 香草 literally means vanilla beans here. Those sure don't look like vanilla beans, and I've never tasted vanilla in hot pot broth. Google translate? Would lie to me?
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Steve Yun posted:If you don’t mind me going back and forth on google translate for the next 15 minutes… (a lot of these are going to be Chinese spices you’ve never heard of) Thank you! I watched it about a dozen times and was mesmerized by the spices. I also appreciate flavoring the oil with cilantro and celery. Also holy poo poo this is a derail, to get it back on track I watched Jodorowsky's Dune last night. Dude literally tried to get Dali to play Emperor Corrino. The best part of the thing was seeing H.R Giger talk about it, he made 5 presentations for the Harkonnen castle and this is my favorite: 
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香草 literally means fragrant grass so I guess it could be a lot of things.
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According to google translate the Chinese wikipedia page for 香草 also looks like a page for generic food seasoning type herbs.
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Coolnezzz posted:Thank you! I watched it about a dozen times and was mesmerized by the spices. I also appreciate flavoring the oil with cilantro and celery. It was interesting to see that the Harkonnen designs in DUNC had a clear Giger influence too.
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Coolnezzz posted:Also holy poo poo this is a derail, to get it back on track I watched Jodorowsky's Dune last night. Dude literally tried to get Dali to play Emperor Corrino. In case you haven’t seen this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nwfQaH9K9Q The design also makes a cameo in Prometheus.
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