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social democracy ran into a huge problem of declining profits in the eighties which meant that it got harder to keep the fundamental deal going: that all parties are going to be disciplined and willing to compromise, which means that all parties come out ahead in the long run instead of wasting resources on costly labour disputes and strikes. at about this time, though, communications technology was improving to the point where outsourcing was starting to become practical, and people were getting wealthy enough that consumer interests were seriously competing with the more marginal worker interests. this means that something's got to give, and thatcher's britain finds a way: deregulating and privatising large quantities of housing stock in a particular way gives an alternative to a lot of people and allows them to buy into the broader real estate market. in scandinavia, this plays out somewhat differently - you don't see real wage stagnation in norway until 2014 with the oil crisis - but the scandinavian social democratic parties are also noticing that their organisational base in the labour movement is becoming less reliable and that they need to ally with other societal forces in order to stay viable. in norway, ap did a multi-pronged transformation from a party of explicit interest struggle to managerialism, from a moderately conservative party in terms of social issues to the party of State Feminism (one of the great ideological innovations of the modern scandinavian social democrats - they still have their moments!), and from an regulatory party into a non-regulatory party. all of these things end up feeding into financialisation as a substitute for productivity-based growth, which was requiring increasingly expensive investments to be viable. under bruntland and then stoltenberg, Ap loved financialisation which seemed to make everything much easier. the cost is becoming evident now: totally unsympathetic people have a great deal of society's wealth in assets which may be moved basically with the push of a button and this gives them tremendous leverage. so liberalisation it is! this is what makes the present norwegian government interesting: it seems to have abandoned this sort of superstitious veneration of liberalism. Ap has shrunk enough that it's naturally been shorn of a fair amount of contradictory impulses, and can now allow itself to indulge in some hands-on managerial dirigisme. it's still very modern social-democratic, but it seems as though they're interested in doing things with the economy, which is eventually going to make some mistakes and trigger a big ideological showdown. this is where my eyes are as far as norwegian politics for the next several years
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https://www.dagbladet.no/meninger/dansk-arroganse/74548764 Returning a drum that Denmark has no use for seems like such an easy way to earn some goodwill. Even FrP, who's policy on sami people is that the Norwegianization didn't last long enough, understand this.
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Alhazred posted:https://www.dagbladet.no/meninger/dansk-arroganse/74548764 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlTukY9fV9Y
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Alhazred posted:https://www.dagbladet.no/meninger/dansk-arroganse/74548764 at least a part of the reason for this is, according to an archaeologist i met once, publishing metrics and university KPIs. KU having lots of norwegian historians come by to access their archives looks good for KU, which in turn makes denmark look better and helps them draw talent. it also means that any research done with these materials has to credit KU, which also has that effect it's stupid, but stuff like this is a way to effectively insert one's own institution into more papers for practically no cost, which is very nice for an academic institute. according to this person; i myself am not in this field at all and have no idea what the etiquette is.
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Dirk Pitt posted:
The M logo is far too similar to the Westinghouse logo to the point where I assume Ulf is selling me a poo poo microwave. And that slogan isn’t terrible as it is downright corny. Very Livets Hårda Skola.
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Dirk Pitt posted:
Are they gonna limit the double penalty to people living ghettos like we did?
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Nov 8, 2021 09:57
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Dirk Pitt posted:
Big talk form the ones who ruined it, along with S of course. I wonder how much damage "fria skolvalet" did just on it's own.
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What's with the half-measure? If that's really how crime works just x1000 the punishment instead and bring the crime rate to 0.1%
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His Divine Shadow posted:Big talk form the ones who ruined it, along with S of course. I wonder how much damage "fria skolvalet" did just on it's own. freedom to establish schools as any other commercial venture is just a mind-boggingly bad idea and i'm honestly impressed that they actually carried it out pure social sabotage
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A school in our neighborhood was constantly short-staffed while the director rolled around in a shiny SUV registered to the school. SUV got sabotaged a bunch of times, couldn't tell you why lol.
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V. Illych L. posted:freedom to establish schools as any other commercial venture is just a mind-boggingly bad idea and i'm honestly impressed that they actually carried it out Also the idea of allowing parents to say which school to put their kids in (in Finland the municipality decides where your kids go, based on where you live), which naturally lead to schools becoming segregated over time and the idea of bad and good schools forming.
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V. Illych L. posted:SocDems I'd just like to say I always appreciate these big analytical effortposts you do, they're my personal highlights of this thread!
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SplitSoul posted:Are they gonna limit the double penalty to people living ghettos like we did? Probably. Can’t treat Danderyd and Vårby the same, after all. The people in the former only use the most luxurious drugs! I’m guessing their way of selling any such disparity would be through Polisens list of “utsatta områden”.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Also the idea of allowing parents to say which school to put their kids in (in Finland the municipality decides where your kids go, based on where you live), which naturally lead to schools becoming segregated over time and the idea of bad and good schools forming. One major problem is that the left half of parliament has not had a majority since 2006. The socdems never rolling back rightwing changes when they had the chance certainly helped. There is alot more truth to the idea that the Bildt and Reinfeldt cabinets should shoulder the bulk of the responsability for virtually every crisis in the public sector today.
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Gustav posted:What's with the half-measure? If that's really how crime works just x1000 the punishment instead and bring the crime rate to 0.1% They should take the Black Debbath approach to crime prevention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMX5czjfouc
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ElectricWizard posted:They should take the Black Debbath approach to crime prevention. Yes, although as they themselves come to realize towards the end of the song, perhaps it's best to be a bit nuanced. (Anecdotally and famously, an overly-draconian approach to criminal justice helped doom the early Qin dynasty in China. If the penalty for an army unit being too late to complete its assigned orders was death, and the penalty for open rebellion against the Emperor was also death, well...there were these soldiers who got stuck due to bad weather...)
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Ofte it turns out that very few, if any, papers is written about these artifacts. For example, the skull of the leader of the leader of the Kautokeino rebellion was found in a museum. It had been locked up for scientific (not at all racist) reasons. It was argued that it had to remain In danish custody so that people could write papers about it. As it turned out the only time the skulle had been written about was in a footnotes and that it's scientific importance was negilble, at best. I'm inclined to believe that it's the dame with this drum.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Also the idea of allowing parents to say which school to put their kids in (in Finland the municipality decides where your kids go, based on where you live), which naturally lead to schools becoming segregated over time and the idea of bad and good schools forming. Or you switch to a municipality where the schools are better. The segregation would be there for those who can change where they live. Blaming private schools and not the size of the immigration is kinda meh. At this point, private schools is what keeps the immigration issues down, since parents in general have little to no tolerance of being used as integration tools when it comes to their children. I see private schools as a consequence of Swedish politics and not the cause. Dirk Pitt posted:
Well as long as they increase the minimum and not the maximum penalty, which is the general issue. There is a rather large public opinion for it and the seven times rapist with a prison sentence of only 5 years is rather hard to feel good about.
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Who else here is excited about Magdalena Andersson and S potentially eating poo poo this week?
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Alhazred posted:Ofte it turns out that very few, if any, papers is written about these artifacts. For example, the skull of the leader of the leader of the Kautokeino rebellion was found in a museum. It had been locked up for scientific (not at all racist) reasons. It was argued that it had to remain In danish custody so that people could write papers about it. As it turned out the only time the skulle had been written about was in a footnotes and that it's scientific importance was negilble, at best. I'm inclined to believe that it's the dame with this drum. yes, but you never know what they'll write about and if you give up part of your collection they might want the archives and stuff back too! it's a bad reason and as i noted this really isn't my field but it's not complete nonsense
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Cardiac posted:Well as long as they increase the minimum and not the maximum penalty, which is the general issue. There is a rather large public opinion for it and the seven times rapist with a prison sentence of only 5 years is rather hard to feel good about. Of course they're gonna increase the maximum penalties. It's never about preventing crime, it's about punishing it.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Also the idea of allowing parents to say which school to put their kids in (in Finland the municipality decides where your kids go, based on where you live), which naturally lead to schools becoming segregated over time and the idea of bad and good schools forming. School districts based on address is a decent solution, but you get heavy selection based on parent income, at least in the cities. Rich people buy expensive houses in "good neighbourhoods", and poor people live where they can afford, which is usually the same high-rise areas. And even assuming a decently mixed area, someone has to draw the school districts, and you can bet your rear end they aren't gonna be impartial. I went to school literally across the street (and were talking no traffic except parents) from another school. The districts were drawn so that all the house owners got my school and ask the renters got the other. Incidentally, my school was considered better. What I'm saying is that maybe bussing rich kids around is not a bad solution. Or just go straight to flat income.
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criminal justice is one of those things that is difficult to deal with by polling. polling usually shows that people want to get tougher. when people are given real cases, though, they usually want to be softer than the guidelines. polling demands that you imagine an issue in the abstract and make up your mind on the spot, a recipe for doing anything badly and especially something as messy as criminal law in general, most polling is actively harmful to society and makes politicians much more craven than they ought to be. i have no idea how to deal with it, though, unfortunately.
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BonHair posted:School districts based on address is a decent solution, but you get heavy selection based on parent income, at least in the cities. Rich people buy expensive houses in "good neighbourhoods", and poor people live where they can afford, which is usually the same high-rise areas. free rights to establish schools and free school choice are real, specific reforms which have had real effects. flat income is a utopian solution. the sort of issue you describe here can be handled as a political issue, though it's admittedly harder when the actual buildings are up and running.
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School district is based on address, but addresses are assigned arbitrarily. Streets are abolished
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V. Illych L. posted:free rights to establish schools and free school choice are real, specific reforms which have had real effects. flat income is a utopian solution. the sort of issue you describe here can be handled as a political issue, though it's admittedly harder when the actual buildings are up and running. Absolutely agreed, free school choice makes things worse, but the alternative isn't good either. I'm probably gonna send my kid to school in my little Copenhagen suburb (because of logistics and also it's a good school), where basically everyone who can afford to live here should be guillotined (including me, yes). The point is that even without using my free choice, I get most of the benefits, just by being an overpaid buffoon and living with my own kind. The proper solution, assuming flat income is utopian (it is), is to actually work to distribute all the kids across demographics, which is where bussing comes in. But then there is also a good argument to be made that kids living close to their school and classmates is beneficial. It's complicated. But letting the market sort out is bad.
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Empirics on free-school choice are very straightforward and well known 30 years into the grand Swedish experiment. The system amplifies the negative effects of housing segregation and does so quite significantly.
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yeah housing segregation is indeed and issue and people will try to game the system, but that needs to be adressed separately. one can simply not say that the most obvious and clearly superior alternative to the present swedish model on this stuff is also not good because it's so much straightforwardly better on a societal level - handled with some degree of sensitivity one can even avoid the worst parts of this system (plan schools in relatively mixed zones, have a system that allows people to get away during the transition if they're bullied or just want a change of air or whatever, etc). this will mean that the bright kids from lovely neighbourhoods get screwed somewhat but it seems a relatively small sacrifice in these terms
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BonHair posted:Absolutely agreed, free school choice makes things worse, but the alternative isn't good either. I'm probably gonna send my kid to school in my little Copenhagen suburb (because of logistics and also it's a good school), where basically everyone who can afford to live here should be guillotined (including me, yes). The point is that even without using my free choice, I get most of the benefits, just by being an overpaid buffoon and living with my own kind. I dunno, we got better and worse areas in Finland too, but not nearly these kinds of problems you have. It's not like my kids going to a small school in the countryside have a noticeably worse quality of education than some rich bourgueoise family in some helsinki suburb. It's not like I have to move in order to secure a good education for my kids, I could live anywhere in the country and be sure it'd be relatively decent anywhere. These are things that can be controlled via regulation and doesn't have to turn into some US style disaster, seems to me like you guys are getting a bit too influenced by american cultural effluvia and it's affecting how you see things.
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Ebba Busch and her housing woes are the gift that keeps on giving in 2021. https://www.dn.se/sverige/buschs-husforlikning-overklagas-till-hovratten/ quote:”Visserligen lästes förlikningsavtalet högt för mig men det lästes för snabbt så att jag inte hann uppfatta innehållet”, skriver han i dokumentet som lämnats in till tingsrätten och som DN har läst. Any reasonable politician would just give up on the real estate to protect their reputation and that of their party's, but not Ebba Busch. She really wants that pensioner's house for cheap.
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It’s telling both of her being doggedly sociopathic, and her party structure being an unaccountable mess. In any normal political org she would have gotten the “drop that poo poo this instant you moron” talk a while ago.
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She’s adopting many things from the American right, among them “FYGM” and “I can only be failed, not fail”. The way she just declared herself guilty to pay off a fine but then went on a “woe is me” schpeel is like the definition of rich white privilege: she admitted guilt, threw money at the problem and then cried in the limelight about how THIS time the criminal is innocent of wrongdoing. I don’t expect this thing to go on much longer, his case seems a bit iffy IMO but any extra day of this is a day of annoyance for Ebba so go the gently caress ahead.
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Dirk Pitt posted:Any reasonable politician would just give up on the real estate to protect their reputation and that of their party's, but not Ebba Busch. She really wants that pensioner's house for cheap. At this point I'm open to the idea that the seller is being really difficult and/or loopy and that Busch might not have been in the wrong initially, but it's a testament to her stupidity that she doesn't cut her losses and leave it at this point. edit: i started and ended with "at this point" and it's upsetting me but I've been quoted and must accept the shame death of poor language Beeswax fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Beeswax posted:At this point I'm open to the idea that the seller is being really difficult and/or loopy and that Busch might not have been in the wrong initially, but it's a testament to her stupidity that she doesn't cut her losses and leave it at this point. To the contrary I think his very authentically confused old man behavior just further reinforces that his initial appeal had a lot of validity. It seems unbelievable to me at this point that anyone in prolonged contact wouldn't realize that he's not in a good enough mental state to agree to contracts. Not that it's going to matter this time.
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Ebba is banking hard on the conservative canon of "never back down, never accept responsibility, never claim fault". Again, she agreed to confess herself guilty and then immediately screamed that the law is at fault and she only did it to move on, not because she's actually guilty or anything. It's despicable.
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