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Lostconfused posted:They're right about the government part though. yeah true, but judging by the rest of their responses it's clearly not because they have a better grasp of climate change responses than the average politician Thorn Wishes Talon posted:WaPo published a seriously good article yesterday. lol even if we hit the paris targets we'd absolutely not be hitting the paris targets
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Nov 8, 2021 19:13
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Of course a country of nearly 1.1 billion where 40% are rurally located is going to have lower per capita emissions, they probably don't have cars. They're probably not moving very far from where they live. so you're saying China is doing more to combat climate change than anywhere else in the world also lol at "probably." just tacitly admitting you're pulling everything out of your rear end in a top hat
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Nov 8, 2021 19:14
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WorldsStongestNerd posted:" U.S. supermarkets lose an average of 25 percent of their fluorinated refrigerants each year." Cheaper over the long run. Not cheaper to fix the problem right now, because that costs you money, and it'll take some amount of time to get that money back. Investing in the future is for losers.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:21
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Cup Runneth Over posted:so you're saying China is doing more to combat climate change than anywhere else in the world "Prosperity and comfort for me but not for thee" isn't "combatting climate change," it's keeping 560m people permanently stuck in poverty so the remaining 600m+ can poo poo on the environment as much as they like in their personal lives and employment while making bullshit statements people parrot like "you know, China pollutes less per capita than the West."
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Nov 8, 2021 19:24
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BIG HEADLINE posted:"Prosperity and comfort for me but not for thee" isn't "combatting climate change," it's keeping 560m people permanently stuck in poverty so the remaining 600m+ can poo poo on the environment as much as they like in their personal lives and employment while making bullshit statements people parrot like "you know, China pollutes less per capita than the West." If "not having a car" and "not moving very far from where they live" is "poverty" to you I have some really bad news about the future of the human race my man
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Nov 8, 2021 19:28
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:WaPo published a seriously good article yesterday. So not only do we emit at least 25% more carbon than we report we aren't even tracking some greenhouse emissions among the non-carbon gases we also under report. Next thing you'll tell me is there are a bunch of natural feedback loops outside of all of this that makes the already incorrect fixation on our own pollution lies doubly worthless.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:29
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Don't be ridiculous, that would be alarmist.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:30
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Cup Runneth Over posted:If "not having a car" and "not moving very far from where they live" is "poverty" to you I have some really bad news about the future of the human race my man "We're all speeding towards the same cliff, but the people in the back of the bus are luckier because they'll realize they're dead a half second after the people in the front" is not a rebuttal. If you're defending a country that denies almost half their population the basic luxuries the other half enjoys as something idyllic and preparatory for "the world to come," maybe check your own rear end - for your head.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:33
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Poorly educated Americans contribute more carbon per capita because our shittiest education systems still make people *just* smart enough to work a cash register and make french fries, and access to cars (or coal-rolling trucks) and other means of carbon-spewing transportation is way easier here. The reason that Chinese people don’t own as many cars per capita or fry as many fries at McDonald’s is not because their local school sucks too much to know how to drive a car or operate a fryer or count money. You’re talking about like 9 different factors to try to defend the very bad claim that Chinese people are too poorly educated to burn carbon as much as Americans. Whatever you’re doing, it makes no sense. here’s a better line that doesn’t make you sound like a sinophobe: China uses less carbon per capita because they have not elevated their rural classes and poor citizens enough to afford the trappings that America has advertised as the middle class or wealthy nation lower class standard. While China has worked and still works to pull an immense number of people out of destitution, which is very good for those people in the short term, pursuing anything resembling the unconscionable standards of the US is long-term untenable in the macro world sense. China’s future energy plans are better than a lot of others, but insufficient, as is the case of the world at large. This is a better way to think about how China’s lower per capita number now is not as much the result of China deliberately preserving the environment, it is the fact of not having been as rich as other nations like the US. Unfortunately, the US has deliberately advertised unsustainable living to anyone and everyone, and the world’s population has noticed how good it looks. Still, reducing carbon footprint overall is more important than looking at per capita numbers anyway. If one nation has a per capita carbon footprint of 4 tons and makes exclusively life essentials in a harsh environment, that’s probably(?) a better story than a nation with a per capita carbon footprint of 3.9 that has half its economy dedicated to mining for materials to make stylish paperweights.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:35
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Oh hey, now I'm a sinophobe for, what, making the case that 560 million people should be able to have better lives if they chose to? Sure. *clears his throat* I am not a sinophobe. I wish nothing but the best for the Chinese people because they're as human as I am. I am critical of the Chinese Communist Party and how it levies its authority abroad and, yes, internally as well, because I think people should be able to at least TRY to improve their lot in life.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:41
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I called you a sinophobe because you said the reason Chinese rural populations don’t own cars, work cash registers, and make fries is that they’re not smart enough. I hope that clarifies. Those are your words.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:44
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Oh hey, now I'm a sinophobe for, what, making the case that 560 million people should be able to have better lives if they chose to?  BIG HEADLINE posted:I am critical of the Chinese Communist Party and how it levies its authority abroad lmfao
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Nov 8, 2021 19:46
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love to make the case in the Biosphere Collapse thread that China is bad because many of its citizens cannot consume as conspicuously as Westerners
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Nov 8, 2021 19:47
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Cup Runneth Over posted:love to make the case in the Biosphere Collapse thread that China is bad because many of its citizens cannot consume as conspicuously as Westerners also they're fuckin dumb!!
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Nov 8, 2021 19:48
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a better life is possible: one where you don't own a car and have no reason to go very far from your home
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Nov 8, 2021 19:49
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Little off topic but I find it strange how "CCP" has become a shibboleth. If you're anti-CPC you say "Chinese Communist Party", whereas if you're pro you say "Communist Party of China." How did this come to be?
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Nov 8, 2021 19:50
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Because of this thread I no longer throw cigarette butts into storm drains. Now its into the garbage or at least into one of those holes in a signpost.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:52
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actionjackson posted:oh god what are all the Xi worshippers going to say now I hate to tell you this, but the PRC is going to be the leading economic and energy power during the 21st century decline.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:52
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Related to emissions talk and dick measuring https://twitter.com/jasonhickel/status/1457647344292352009 tldr; shut the gently caress up, America. Lol
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Nov 8, 2021 19:58
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President Xi, my country's cars yearn to be taken away
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Nov 8, 2021 20:01
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Hubbert posted:I hate to tell you this, but the PRC is going to be the leading economic and energy power during the 21st century decline. Unlikely, they have no domestic oil and gas reserves and are disproportionately dependent on imports of such for both agricultural and energy purposes. Add to that how the bulk of their domestic agricultural land has been destroyed since the turn of the century - resulting in a reliance on imported grain and meat products, and you have an incredibly unstable global power. While the rest of the world slides out into fascism and collapse with a whimper, China is likely to implode in a very short span of time once the external inputs they rely on are no longer available. Given the Canadian prairies are now experiencing a drought which exceeds the dust bowl, with still no snow on the ground to begin recharging soil moisture for next spring, that could happen faster than expected.
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Nov 8, 2021 20:03
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Lost Time posted:Related to emissions talk and dick measuring Those poor Americans only emit less because they’re too stupid to make it in the big city as a stock broker
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Nov 8, 2021 20:03
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china sucks, so what
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Nov 8, 2021 20:03
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Rime posted:Unlikely, they have no domestic oil and gas reserves and are disproportionately dependent on imports of such for both agricultural and energy purposes. Add to that how the bulk of their domestic agricultural land has been destroyed since the turn of the century - resulting in a reliance on imported grain and meat products, and you have an incredibly unstable global power. how about we come back to this post in 10 years and see how i've done i'm happy with my track record so far
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Nov 8, 2021 20:07
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A Russian troll farm posted:Little off topic but I find it strange how "CCP" has become a shibboleth. If you're anti-CPC you say "Chinese Communist Party", whereas if you're pro you say "Communist Party of China." How did this come to be? saying the former lets you emphasize "Chinese" "Communist" doesn't have quite the scare power it does nowadays as it did prior to the Soviet Union collapse
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Nov 8, 2021 20:11
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Hubbert posted:how about we come back to this post in 10 years and see how i've done https://longbets.org/ go go
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Nov 8, 2021 20:14
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lol that’s run by the bezos kooks, the Long Now, who are trying to recreate extinct species https://reviverestore.org/ they also built a multimillion dollar clock in a mountain in the desert. (also the promoted bet is by an Epstein associate lol)
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Nov 8, 2021 20:23
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oh jeez
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Nov 8, 2021 20:25
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Seriously. Is there some kind of website I don't know about where you get paid for stanning China and posting proof? https://www.imwillingtoignorethatchinaisatitsheartjustanotherpredatorycapitalistcountry.com? It's a flailing desperation/depressed irony combo, China is the only country in the world that on casual inspection looks like they might have a plan for loving anything or a central government that can govern. There is nothing else out there for people to pin hopes or praise on. Your subsequent takes were just dumb as poo poo but I think this one was kind of an interesting question.
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Nov 8, 2021 20:41
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If we all just lie flat and live like Diogenes, then climate change will be solved. https://twitter.com/johnpmerrick/status/1457783323611205635?t=or30HYwEs_g5aST2wNKKwA&s=19
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Nov 8, 2021 21:09
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Cold on a Cob posted:Few willing to change lifestyle to save the planet, climate survey finds
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Nov 8, 2021 21:22
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All I'm saying is that it would be bad rear end if those Chinese speedy missiles turned a us carrier group into a nuclear powered artificial reef
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Nov 8, 2021 21:26
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comedyblissoption posted:a
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Nov 8, 2021 21:26
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holy poo poo that spread lol how much would it help if the richest 1% of the world population magically disappeared tomorrow? e: I answered my own question, it wouldn't help at all because their respective underlings would immediately take over their positions and nothing would fundamentally change
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Nov 8, 2021 21:26
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Charlatan Eschaton posted:Garden Cities of To-Morrow - Ebenezer Howard 1902 another good reading list, thanks
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Nov 8, 2021 21:29
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Hubbert posted:edit: i hate when effort posts lost to snipes this thread has been killing it
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Nov 8, 2021 21:30
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Rime posted:Unlikely, they have no domestic oil and gas reserves and are disproportionately dependent on imports of such for both agricultural and energy purposes. Add to that how the bulk of their domestic agricultural land has been destroyed since the turn of the century - resulting in a reliance on imported grain and meat products, and you have an incredibly unstable global power. america and canada sucks poo poo but at least they do have the water, land, and domestic energy, (and also military power) to fuel itself for some time. although even that is also rapidly shrinking and threatened. there's also a reason china is going heavy into massive nuclear and also 'renewable' (lol) energy lately; and it's not primarily for climate-change reasons. can they do it fast enough? maybe, maybe not. but if they can, then at least that could be diverted towards more integrated moisture-controlled farmhousing, ammonia production from nuclear, and regional leverage for resources.
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Nov 8, 2021 21:36
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Homocow posted:holy poo poo that spread lol thank you president Biden!
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Nov 8, 2021 21:38
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Lost Time posted:Related to emissions talk and dick measuring
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Nov 8, 2021 21:46
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Not So Fast posted:If we all just lie flat and live like Diogenes, then climate change will be solved. Reminds me of that short story, The Machine Stops. "Man is the measure"
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