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vegetarians are well known for their love of torturing fish that's why fishing is a famous vegetarian sport
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They're fishing for sport and throw the catch back in, or they're fishing for ambulatory plant creatures like the ones they hunt on land. As usual Mookie goes with probably the worst possible explanation.
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Nov 8, 2021 09:38
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Did Snout steal those vegetables? As far as we know he has no money, it was even a plot point way back in Mongreltown.
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Nov 8, 2021 09:59
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Mx. posted:
The self-centeredness of Snout continues, he got hype for going fishing and thought "stringing my friends along to this thing that I want to do will certainly cheer them up!"
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Nov 8, 2021 10:01
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Twelve by Pies posted:Did Snout steal those vegetables? As far as we know he has no money, it was even a plot point way back in Mongreltown. They were free, duh
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Nov 8, 2021 11:19
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What a convenient plaque. Glad the universe provides pretranslated explanations the second we need them!Twelve by Pies posted:Did Snout steal those vegetables? As far as we know he has no money, it was even a plot point way back in Mongreltown. Like corpsemom's anger and the orcish language, it was already dealt with and fixed precisely once so it will never be a plot point again. Also I guess the fishing rods were free too, huh?
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Nov 8, 2021 11:47
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inkwitch forged a bunch of money for him also lmao at mookie being so impressed by this new brush he used it everywhere. Walls, borders, body hair, roofs, shelving, fishing rods
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Nov 8, 2021 11:57
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Snout's friends are holding him back and they're also sad and everyone is stranded because their ride crashed and I think the whole reason they're out here is that they were supposed to get some information about the dream realm or something and I don't think that happened...but that's all part of the main quest. When you get to a new town you can faff about seeing what sidequests are available because the main quest will just wait until you're ready to continue it.
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Nov 8, 2021 12:38
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Is this place a tourist destination? Why is that plaque there?
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Nov 8, 2021 13:22
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I'm still kinda laughing at the ship just suddenly crashing. No explanation! This trip has been the absolute low of this comic. It's awful in the most baffling ways. GreenMetalSun posted:Is this place a tourist destination? Why is that plaque there? I don't think we're going to top the plaques in the middle of an empty field, there for no apparent reason other than to tell us, the reader, that they're in Maltak and that Snout can't read the language. It's the current pinnacle of this sort of thing. Emrikol fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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Nov 8, 2021 13:38
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Emrikol posted:I'm still kinda laughing at the ship just suddenly crashing. No explanation! Snout's journey, this world, is all transient. It's all created by the whims of a creator with reference pictures and a desire to return to his glory days. What will happen to Snout when that creator loses his patience with his audience, and by extension, Snout's world? What will become of them?
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Nov 8, 2021 13:44
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I love that Snout not only hasn't checked up on his friends, but he's spending their money on some hobby he wanted to try on a whim. In any other story this would be an example of the comic relief character messing up. *It's the end of act 2, the car the gang was driving has broken down. Our protagonist, Jim, has received some devestating news, the father he was traveling too meet, the father his mother told him died in the war, had actually walked out on Jim the day he was born. Enter "Big Fun" holding Jim's credit card* "Hey guys, guess who just signed us up for some Lazer Tag! Oh by the way Jim, your credit card is maxed out, you should really be more responsible with your money" It's awesome that Snout is the protagonist and only point of view character.
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Nov 8, 2021 13:51
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Catching fish *just* for crop fertilizer seems a huge waste of time and energy, doesn't it? Like yeah, fish fertilizer has been a thing for millennia, but usually you eat the fish first and then use the leftover bones and guts as fertilizer. Otherwise you'd want to use manure which is much easier to come by. There's just zero thought put into this world building. Sure, you can have a race of obligate herbivores, but you have to at least think about how that impacts their history, development, and culture. You can't just throw down a fishing village and say "well I guess they just fish for funsies".
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Nov 8, 2021 16:20
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Fister Roboto posted:Catching fish *just* for crop fertilizer seems a huge waste of time and energy, doesn't it? Like yeah, fish fertilizer has been a thing for millennia, but usually you eat the fish first and then use the leftover bones and guts as fertilizer. Mookie watched Thanksgiving specials as a kid that showed the Iroquois teaching the Pilgrims to bury fish in their fields and thinks that's an actual effective thing and not an act of desperation prompted by soil nutrient depletion caused by farming without a proper crop rotation. Presumably a species of obligate herbivores would figure crop rotation out pretty quickly.
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Nov 8, 2021 16:25
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Compared to Snout, Bort loving rules. His design is disgusting but it’s supposed to be, whereas Snout got less and less monstrous over time so we could think he’s cute or whatever. Also Bort just handing them the piece of wood that says “Bort” as his “address” is a solid gag. The later stuff where Bort comes back sucks though, but I’d still rather read that than anything related to Snout.
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Nov 8, 2021 16:28
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I alluded to it jokingly, but Bort is canonically the only humanoid I can recall who doesn't have a snout. His mouth being hosed up means that Mookie always placed it properly on the edge of his face. And if Bort had remained a weird memeperson living in a wacky cartoon land, it would have been fine. It's trying to use Bort for actual drama that spectaculalrly fails. Also, the fish thing is something Mookie mentioned in the lore on his Patreon way back. It popped up during the archive. I'm not going to say more about that, but just saying that some of these lore embellishments aren't last moment asspulls, but in fact premeditated asspulls.
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Nov 8, 2021 16:34
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Fister Roboto posted:Catching fish *just* for crop fertilizer seems a huge waste of time and energy, doesn't it? Like yeah, fish fertilizer has been a thing for millennia, but usually you eat the fish first and then use the leftover bones and guts as fertilizer. Otherwise you'd want to use manure which is much easier to come by. It's made worse by the fact that the only reason they are orcs to begin with is because they're his favorite D&D race or something. They didn't need to be orcs, it's a fantasy comic, they could have been anything. Like I don't know, a race of bird people that live along the side of a cliff and fish by diving down and snatching fish in their talons. They would have something both culturally and visually different at least. Which would be nice since his orcs are basically just humans with cute monster girl tusks. And honestly that would be fine if his orcs were remotely interesting.
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Nov 8, 2021 17:06
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The Hobgoblins are a neat idea though of course it veers way off course into little nonsensical murder dogs at the end.
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Nov 8, 2021 17:18
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Maybe my patience for long, drawn out bullshit has worn thin, but The Legacy has become completely unbearable.
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Nov 8, 2021 17:37
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TheHan posted:Maybe my patience for long, drawn out bullshit has worn thin, but The Legacy has become completely unbearable. There isn't even really anything to comment on or get annoyed about anymore. Is Snout ignoring his friends for his own sake in complete contradiction to the last plot beat? Sure. Is the world building pointless and dumb? Yeah. But that's it. It just does that. That's all it does. It isn't even a story anymore, it's just Mookie's covid comfort porn. Each update exists independent of the other because it's whatever would cheer him up most that specific day. I don't even enjoy making fun of it anymore, it's like laughing at someone's diary. That he's decided to put on the internet and try to pass off as professional art.
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Nov 8, 2021 17:53
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:It seems like using fish as a fertilizer or selling them to be eaten by other people would defeat the entire moral purpose behinds vegetarianism. they already eat sentient plants, they have no problem with the killing part
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Nov 8, 2021 19:48
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The most annoying part is there are so few obligate herbivores in real life. Deer, rabbits, cows, everyone will eat some amount of meat if it's available. Free protein is free protein.
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Nov 8, 2021 20:04
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Crespolini posted:they already eat sentient plants, they have no problem with the killing part That annoys me so much. It's Mookie thinking he's clever without thinking of the implications for the millionth time. The dumbest self congratulatory bullshit
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Nov 8, 2021 20:16
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Also the only plants the orcs eat seem to be greens and roots. Where the hell are all the beans, nuts, and mushrooms, things that actually provide protein? They're mammals so they should be able to digest milk and milk products like yogurt and cheese, right? Or is it literally just lettuce and carrots for them?
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Nov 8, 2021 20:21
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Yeah nothing is connected to anything anymore so , like, it's hard to get upset at any development. I wasn't sure this was worse than DD before but it is now, easy. Dominic Deegan you can recognize some kind of structure, like he stole everything from his favorite animes and probably other webcomics, and he executed every one of those tropes horribly, but it's the bones of something. There is nothing to grab onto here.
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Nov 8, 2021 20:23
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If we're getting biological about it, it doesn't make sense for any intelligent species to be a primary herbivore. They have to devote too much time and effort to digestion, AKA: the panda problem. Humans invented fire to deal with tough vegetables, we didn't grow bigger teeth. Mookie's orcs should be as huge as warhammer orcs to make space for a herbivore's digestive tract, much less the jaw muscles for their root-crushing tusks, and it'd make sense if they were once omnivores who evolved to a primarily herbivorous lifestyle or, better yet, omnivores whose cultural lifestyle was now vegetarian and a choice they actually made rather than one that was forced on them biologically. At that point, it would make sense that Mookie's Orcs did supplement their diet with fish directly, either when they're still young or say if they get sick or infirm, but culturally think of fish as "baby food" and shun it as adults. "Are you tough enough to eat those roots? No, then you're still culturally a child. Have fun eating baby food!" Edit: I spent roughly five minutes thinking about this. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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Nov 8, 2021 20:28
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Fister Roboto posted:Also the only plants the orcs eat seem to be greens and roots. Where the hell are all the beans, nuts, and mushrooms, things that actually provide protein? They're mammals so they should be able to digest milk and milk products like yogurt and cheese, right? Or is it literally just lettuce and carrots for them? you have thought about this 900% more than Mookie did
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Nov 8, 2021 20:37
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Fister Roboto posted:Also the only plants the orcs eat seem to be greens and roots. Where the hell are all the beans, nuts, and mushrooms, things that actually provide protein? They're mammals so they should be able to digest milk and milk products like yogurt and cheese, right? Or is it literally just lettuce and carrots for them? I hate Mookie's lazy approach to food. Like you said, it's not even really vegetarian or vegan cuisine he shows, it's literally just carrots and assorted salads. Like he can't even directly commit to drawing some tasty vegan nomnoms in his comic. Hell, the most detailed food he ever drew is coming up in the next mini arc from the vacation:  and even then, it was like a child's understanding of food. I want sweet maple with everything! said the 9 year old.
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Nov 8, 2021 20:50
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Mavpel is the stupidest word he ever latched on to
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Nov 8, 2021 21:02
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Oh my god that's such a sad spread of food. Oh my god wow. Truly professional cuisine: a bunch of unrelated foods all cooked with syrup. Why is it Mavpel? Like, why can't he just make it maple? Do maple trees not exist in his setting? It's clearly just maple candy he's obsessed with and like yeah I get it it's GOOD candy but why the "fantasy" name. Is it a copyright issue?
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Nov 8, 2021 21:40
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Pretty sure Snout is taking his friends fishing to cheer them up? See? Snout is kind 
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Nov 8, 2021 22:27
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Happy Landfill posted:Pretty sure Snout is taking his friends fishing to cheer them up? See? Snout is kind Actually he's just trying to raise their friendship meter to the point where the "let's gently caress" dialogue option becomes available
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Nov 8, 2021 22:55
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To be fair, slightly altering the names of real world things isn't that uncommon in fantasy settings. Like off the top off my head, in His Dark Materials, chocolate is called chocolatl in Lyra's world. But there's obviously some thought put into that, it comes from the original Nahuatl word for chocolate, and it hints and that world's divergent history. Mavpel is just maple with a V.
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Nov 8, 2021 22:56
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PoptartsNinja posted:Mookie watched Thanksgiving specials as a kid that showed the Iroquois teaching the Pilgrims to bury fish in their fields This'll grow ya some nice fishcorn bushes!
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Nov 8, 2021 23:08
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Thing is that we have a pretty good model for what a mostly-vegetarian-by-necessity diet looks like in generic medievalism: for most of human history between the fall of Rome (end of 4th Century) and the Black Death (mid 14th Century) the overwhelming majority of people got the overwhelming majority of their calories from grains and pulses. This fact drove everything, via various amounts of indirect influence, from political systems to the physical geography of communities. Of course having everyone eat a bowl of porridge for most of their meals is kinda boring so most high fantasy settings avoid it like the non-metaphorical plague, so this isn't a complaint that can be laid only at Mookie's feet.
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Nov 8, 2021 23:30
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SubG posted:Thing is that we have a pretty good model for what a mostly-vegetarian-by-necessity diet looks like in generic medievalism: for most of human history between the fall of Rome (end of 4th Century) and the Black Death (mid 14th Century) the overwhelming majority of people got the overwhelming majority of their calories from grains and pulses. This fact drove everything, via various amounts of indirect influence, from political systems to the physical geography of communities. I'm reasonably certain that is much more true in European history than elsewhere, because of the collapse of the trade systems and economic systems that helped support a more balanced diet. Though, like, plenty of other societies were also grain-based, the 'you basically only eat porridge' thing is much more true in Europe than many other places.
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PoptartsNinja posted:If we're getting biological about it, it doesn't make sense for any intelligent species to be a primary herbivore. They have to devote too much time and effort to digestion, AKA: the panda problem. Humans invented fire to deal with tough vegetables, we didn't grow bigger teeth. If you want an almost-human example, gorillas are mostly herbivores, and are pretty intelligent animals. They also have big bellies full of incredibly long hind guts devoted to fermenting and breaking down all that raw roughage. Cooking our food is the only reason we don't also have giant stomachs like gorillas, and this is why raw foodism IS MY loving PET PEEVE
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Nov 9, 2021 00:17
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Joe Slowboat posted:I'm reasonably certain that is much more true in European history than elsewhere, because of the collapse of the trade systems and economic systems that helped support a more balanced diet. It's not really true in Europe either, while beef and chicken were rather expensive, river fish were plentiful due to the fact that the water ways were not over fished yet. Salmon was a rather plentiful fish at least for English, Scottish, and Scandinavian peasants were concerned.
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Nov 9, 2021 00:42
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Joe Slowboat posted:I'm reasonably certain that is much more true in European history than elsewhere, because of the collapse of the trade systems and economic systems that helped support a more balanced diet. In terms of causes, the collapse of the old Roman system(s) certainly played a part, but it wasn't a major factor by the time feudalism reached its peak in Europe. It's a complicated subject and is probably too large a derail for the Deegan thread, but the diet of e.g. the English peasant on the eve of the decline in feudalism was mostly porridge not because of the absence of ancient Roman trade routes but rather because that's the limit of what the system could produce. Mohawk Potato posted:It's not really true in Europe either, while beef and chicken were rather expensive, river fish were plentiful due to the fact that the water ways were not over fished yet. Salmon was a rather plentiful fish at least for English, Scottish, and Scandinavian peasants were concerned.
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i learn a lot from the various discussions in this thread, it's very enjoyable
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