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i'm not super confident in shan's jury management or her theoretical FTC speech. i think she has a good shot but i could also see her potentially getting overdefensive. i like her overall. ...can't stand her little song though. but whatever it's harmless. good episode, though, and a good play by xander. finally getting a bit more invested. i lagged behind the first half of the season because i wasn't really into it. might be a good post merge though. danny's criticism is fully valid though and i think messing with already won immunity or introducing idol nullifiers is garbage. if you ask me there should be two things that cannot be affected without the player's direct choice: vote and immunity. risk your own vote? fine. give away your necklace or idol? fine. but no steal-a-vote, no idol nullifier, no reversing immunity in any way. you're completely robbing players of their agency, and things like your vote or immunity might be the only agency you have if you're on the bottom.
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Adus posted:i'm not super confident in shan's jury management or her theoretical FTC speech. i think she has a good shot but i could also see her potentially getting overdefensive. i like her overall. ...can't stand her little song though. but whatever it's harmless. I'd be shocked if there isn't an idol nullifier on this season
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Adus posted:...can't stand her little song though. but whatever it's harmless. It's caused me to like the musical composition on the show for the first time because they keep working it in. quote:danny's criticism is fully valid though and i think messing with already won immunity or introducing idol nullifiers is garbage. if you ask me there should be two things that cannot be affected without the player's direct choice: vote and immunity. risk your own vote? fine. give away your necklace or idol? fine. but no steal-a-vote, no idol nullifier, no reversing immunity in any way. you're completely robbing players of their agency, and things like your vote or immunity might be the only agency you have if you're on the bottom. Danny's frustration is valid and probably especially acute because it was a surprise, but I dunno about robbing players of agency reversing a team immunity. Taking away individual immunity would be bullshit though.
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i'm not entirely sure what the difference is overall. obviously this is a more unique immunity since they've never really made half the people immune at the merge before but if you tell me i win immunity or i use an idol i don't think that should be messed with. IcePhoenix posted:I'd be shocked if there isn't an idol nullifier on this season i could have sworn this was already mentioned in some way during this season, though i can't remember where and in what context so maybe i'm crazy.
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I think they could also pull off the immunity flip if there had been clues or something hidden at camp. Which is something they could bring back anyway, finding an idol used to be more than just stumbling upon it in the woods, they'd set up clues and puzzles and cryptic hints and whatnot. Frame the twist as something the Survivors could have uncovered if they thought to look, some scroll or something to give them a heads-up. Who they share that info with, do they throw, do they send someone to the island with a plan, like, there's room for gameplay there. My least favourite part of survivor is when production manipulates things with no input from players. Tribe swaps are the most common and egregious ones and I fully believe that 100% of the time the "random draws" for headbands are pre-determined, maybe even rock drawing, but the nature of the show is such that there can never be convincing proof to me either way unless I get a job there.
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Adus posted:i'm not entirely sure what the difference is overall. obviously this is a more unique immunity since they've never really made half the people immune at the merge before but if you tell me i win immunity or i use an idol i don't think that should be messed with. I'm imagining someone on the bottom of the tribe outworking everyone else to win individual immunity and save themselves, only to have Jeff be like "someone smashed a prop, gently caress you" and the obvious vote happens anyway. That seems way worse than a group of five all losing immunity. Not saying my personal reaction would be any different between the two scenarios, but as a viewer I didn't have a problem with the group switch-em-up. Especially since, like you say, it was already a weird half-tribe immunity thing.
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Yeah, immunity should be inviolable. Once you have immunity, you're safe at the next tribal council. Period. If you have a hidden immunity idol, sure, somebody else might have a 'steal an idol' type advantage, but the moment you say "I'm playing this," it's in play, and that's that. This sort of 'lol no you don't have immunity now because of something you had no way of foreseeing, or even knowing was a possibility' gimmick just turns the game into straight-up coin flips. I feel like it violates the fundamental premise of the game.
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I like idol-nullifiers if they're earned and played by players
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If it had flipped at tribal that would be one thing, but it happened before another immunity challenge so it's not like they didn't have ample time to alter plans. I might still be pretty miffed if it happened to me, sure, but I don't think it was quite as bullshit as some are making it out to be
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Khanstant posted:I fully believe that 100% of the time the "random draws" for headbands are pre-determined, maybe even rock drawing, but the nature of the show is such that there can never be convincing proof to me either way unless I get a job there. I wonder if the USA's fair competition laws apply? Especially with drawing rocks for elimination, that sounds a lot like some of the old quiz show scandals. The Bloop posted:If it had flipped at tribal that would be one thing, but it happened before another immunity challenge so it's not like they didn't have ample time to alter plans. This is a good point!
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I have to agree with Bloop here, the time travel goofiness isn't quite as bad as its made out to be. I wouldn't exactly be upset if it never showed up again, but the David Bloomberg types that are all like "JEFF LIED TO THE PLAYERS ZOMG" are being a bit hyperbolic tbh. I think Steal an Idol is actually more unfair but it worked out because a lot of these players are bad at Survivor. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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I think my problem with the hourglass is the first challenge didn't matter since whoever went to exile was always going to smash it.
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I agree the hourglass isn't a "big" deal, but I think it's fair to consider it another eye-rolling gimmick item or advantage among many across survivor history and also this season. pokeyman posted:I wonder if the USA's fair competition laws apply? Especially with drawing rocks for elimination, that sounds a lot like some of the old quiz show scandals. I said what I said in a determined paranoid conspiracy way, something I believe regardless of the evidence or player accounts because maybe Jeff's out there with a machete gonna chop family heads off if someone ever reveals the terrible survivor rigging secret. Realistically there are a ton of other ways producers or whoever could influence the game that wouldn't rely on rigging random draws. If we had an omniscient observer I'd wager money than a non-zero amount of bandana distributions had some degree of manipulation, whether it's literally determining ahead of time and ensuring people only draw what they're meant to, re-shooting - i have a vague memory of one bandana distribution where jeff called out names to toss them their bundle or otherwise was handing them to players without them doing any "pick whatever one you want." if i just had to be reasonable for one goddamn moment, i'd probably have to say most indiciations say those moments are not rigged like I'm saying.
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They did rig it! Once, in the first season, and it led to a lawsuit that they were gonna lose, so they paid out
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Which means I'm right about all of my other wild ideas, including that each contestant is just Jeff living another lifetime, a way for the Jeffiverse to experience itsjelff.
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freeman posted:I think my problem with the hourglass is the first challenge didn't matter since whoever went to exile was always going to smash it. It absolutely mattered. They got a feast!
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I don’t mind the hour glass as far as what it actually did. I do get the people who are upset that it went down like Jeff: the team that wins this challenge is immune *team wins challenge* *team are specifically not immune, and never were gonna be* Like Danny said, is that a twist or just a lie
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Oh it's an outright lie. The fair way to do it would ironically be cribbed from a show even more about deception, which would be to emulate De Mol, where it's known to all players that certain exemptions have to be defended for a second challenge.
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I know all the brain geniuses in this thread, myself included, think smashing the hourglass was obviously the correct move but people asserting that it was a guaranteed outcome have me wondering if they've ever watched this show before. Even this season we've already seen some people step directly on their own genital and there have been massive whopper mistakes in the past. Also, who was on which team was random and different team makeups may have drastically changed the calculus on that decision. It's not a lie
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The Bloop posted:I know all the brain geniuses in this thread, myself included, think smashing the hourglass was obviously the correct move but people asserting that it was a guaranteed outcome have me wondering if they've ever watched this show before. Not only did the group that send you there obviously not value you but then you have to explain to the other half that you could have given them all immunity but didn't. I don't see people who willingly give up their vote on 4-5 person tribes for the chance of an advantage not taking a sure immunity and instant goodwill with the half that might be neutral on you.
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The Bloop posted:[timg]https://i.imgur.com/uKn7EJW.gif[timg] Ya I've seen that and every episode. In season 41 the hourglass was always getting smashed though.
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Khanstant posted:Also Xander better find the clue, I mean, they've hidden clues and advantages under the sit-out bench for soooo long. He was definitely looking and I think it's the whole reason he went Hahaha he didn't get it
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I refuse to believe he chose the bench, looked for it and didn't find it. I can't!
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Yeah what an airhead edit: okay he did have an agenda just doofed on a common survivor trick
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Haha Naseer is badass "i can have steak when im at home, who cares about grilled cheese" Shan, he's not your number one, who are you still trying to fool here? Oh apparently Ricard. he still hoping their alliance isn't messed up... even though you've been feuding longer than you were ever allied by now
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I'm worried that she'll resent me so I ate her food without being offered What a dope
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jeff incorporating the bargaining after chuffing at it when it happened naturally. that was alright. at first reveal i was hoping for a classic "all u can eat while they play" but that's weak after two food rewards in a row get the feeling this one's not gonna go very long Khanstant fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Nov 11, 2021 |
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Nov 11, 2021 02:22
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What's a Heather
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Two foot closeup episodes in a row, huh producers?
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why thank you? that's the only titillation left after the buttcrack blurring inquisition came to town
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Love a good chaos reigns immunity win
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Betraydar is a good portmanteau
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A Heather Confessional. Never thought I'd see the day.
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