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Demiurge4 posted:I hope the best generals are old defensive minded cowards, who will sit in their trenches and never order a charge. https://acoup.blog/2021/09/17/collections-no-mans-land-part-i-the-trench-stalemate/
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Charlz Guybon posted:This is a popular misunderstanding of the Great War. Attacking armies usually suffered less casualties then the defenders. It's just that they were logistically incapable of pushing the attack home, and very vulnerable to counter attack. We've been talking about that article for the last page :p
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StashAugustine posted:We've been talking about that article for the last page :p Well, I was behind. 
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Charlz Guybon posted:Well, I was behind. Are you a WW1 general
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Nov 11, 2021 16:13
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The problem is that the article has only been posted twice, we need to post it eleven times. Ideally in a row.
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Nov 11, 2021 16:38
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:The problem is that the article has only been posted twice, we need to post it eleven times. Ideally in a row. no save that for the followup on why cadorna was that bad
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Nov 11, 2021 16:43
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Where is the DD, wiz?!? I’m jonesing.
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BBJoey posted:i don't think there's that much to say about the straights in Victorian times? oh my, there is a lot going on there. Especially in England just wait until you research "Psychoanalysis" and see what the pops spew out!
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Nov 11, 2021 17:02
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e: oops
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Nov 11, 2021 17:03
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Yea could you please upload the DD now so I can read it before work and don't have to wait until 11 pm
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Nov 11, 2021 17:06
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If we just post the ACOUP article one more time we'll break through poster front line, come on lads
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Nov 11, 2021 17:10
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DaysBefore posted:If we just post the ACOUP article one more time we'll break through poster front line, come on lads No, I think it's time to try something new. Posting a slightly different ACOUP article! That will surely break the stalemate https://acoup.blog/2021/09/24/collections-no-mans-land-part-ii-breaking-the-stalemate/
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Nov 11, 2021 17:14
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The one about Cadorna sucking feels like it would go really well with the Generals DD?
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https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1458842204949172236?s=20
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Nov 11, 2021 18:06
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Dev diary sounds good. I like how they are presenting fronts, I like how you will still have battles and see fronts advance. I think this will assuage some who were worried that things would get too abstract. I’m thinking of future modding capabilities and wonder if you can have triggered traits for leaders/generals etc. eg you just define the trait and its required conditions and it gets automatically applied to any leader in the game that qualifies. Eg all US generals get a “manifest destiny” trait or every Russian Tsarist general gets a “dangerously incompetent” trait.
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Nov 11, 2021 18:16
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Nov 11, 2021 18:16
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My eyes glazed over a bit from that to be honest, but it should make a lot more sense once I see it in action. I liked the implication that having bigger fronts to defend is a very real issue for bigger nations, and that even if a small nation is massively outnumbered they can potentially launch offensives through a front because of how dispersed the defense is.
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Nov 11, 2021 18:22
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Agean90 posted:No more on map units confirmed! Technically Iachek said they're going to talk about wartime graphics later on but yeah, that's more surprising than the loss of tactical control for me. Cultural unit skins are such an easy DLC model, never imagined they'd abandon that
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Nov 11, 2021 18:35
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It could just be on map units just haven't been implemented yet but are still planned
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Nov 11, 2021 18:40
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VideoWitch posted:It could just be on map units just haven't been implemented yet but are still planned Yeah pretty sure it will be this, there'll be little dudes on either side of the front shooting same as always, you just won't be able to click on them.
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Nov 11, 2021 18:44
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I like that professional army is just made via the same kind of production buildings as regular economy stuff, complete with a choice of production methods... Makes it feel closer tied to the economic side of the game beyond some upkeep on a separate screen.
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Nov 11, 2021 18:56
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My biggest takeaway here is that either they're really serious about war not being particularly important or the game is significantly further from release than I was expecting. Everything in that DD looks like a very early implementation. With that said, it all looks fine. I hope that there's a bit more to military control / direction than just flicking a switch to attack or defend (being able to set priority targets seems kind of required for the player to have any kind of agency) but the overall concept is fairly similar to what I was thinking.
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Nov 11, 2021 19:14
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I'm pretty sure they've been saying it's years out from release for awhile
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RabidWeasel posted:My biggest takeaway here is that either they're really serious about war not being particularly important or the game is significantly further from release than I was expecting. Everything in that DD looks like a very early implementation. The dev diary mentions that you can set priority targets via wargoals, and the generals will focus on capturing those areas
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Nov 11, 2021 19:17
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Fronts were one of my favorite things in HoI3 and I am happy to see them in Vicky as well well. I just hope that the AI is good enough (but not too good) to handle them autonomously.
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Nov 11, 2021 19:29
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I pretty amped for it. In Victoria III, you never have to play hide-and-seek with some AI stack or keep track of dozens of stacks on multiple fronts, you just keep track of making sure you have the money and goods to supply your troops and who your generals are and hope you're not keeping some idiot moron around for political expediency when the poo poo hits the fan.
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Nov 11, 2021 19:32
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One thing I'm not sure how it will work - how will a front be created if you're fighting someone non-adjacent? Or is war only possible between adjacent countries? Like where will UK's fronts be? Say they're attacking France. On the coast?
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Nov 11, 2021 19:39
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canepazzo posted:One thing I'm not sure how it will work - how will a front be created if you're fighting someone non-adjacent? Or is war only possible between adjacent countries? These seem to cover it, definitely looks like you would either need a naval invasion or to ally with someone adjacent. lachek posted:If there's a war between, say, Iceland and Britain, (at least) one Front would have to be created via a Naval Invasion, which I'll cover next week. lachek posted:"Mobilization" as a term in Victoria 3 covers everything involved in getting Battalions readied and organized under the command of a General. So in your situation, if you have built some Barracks in a colony and recruited a General to lead them, you can choose to Mobilize only that General if you wish. Despite your colony probably having low Infrastructure, since you're not mobilizing very many troops they will probably not take too long to get ready, and since the General is right next to the Front it won't take him long to travel there to advance it.
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canepazzo posted:One thing I'm not sure how it will work - how will a front be created if you're fighting someone non-adjacent? Or is war only possible between adjacent countries? They'll probably cover that next week in the naval diary. Probably you can use your navy to create a front with a country you share a sea connection with. efb
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Cheers, that makes sense. What about landlocked countries though?
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canepazzo posted:Cheers, that makes sense. What about landlocked countries though? You'll need to build a canal if you want to perform a naval invasion.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:You'll need to build a canal if you want to perform a naval invasion. Period appropriate and strait to the point, I love it.
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Nov 11, 2021 20:16
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The number of provinces you capture being dependent on so many things does make it fairly clear why they increased the province count. So a terrible victory can win 1 province and some spectacular win can get a whole bunch at once. And there's actual momentum that can properly model a grueling back and forth between countries.
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Kaza42 posted:The dev diary mentions that you can set priority targets via wargoals, and the generals will focus on capturing those areas War goals and military objectives shouldn't necessarily be the same though.
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canepazzo posted:Cheers, that makes sense. What about landlocked countries though?
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Nov 11, 2021 20:49
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A Buttery Pastry posted:If you can't actually take part in a war, then you shouldn't get a say in the diplomatic play leading to war. I suppose you could unlock it by demanding access through another country, saying you will fight for your right to fight, but otherwise I'm not seeing why it should be a real possibility. Having a bunch of countries with little to no ability to participate in a war jumping in anyway is not something they should actively encourage. Well, if you're somehow a powerful, but landlocked nation, you can violate neutrality to get your troops to where they need to be.
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Good luck being taken seriously on the world stage without boats you can paint and repaint every week, never firing a shot for fear of ruining your pristine paintjob, dumping the practice ammo the admiralty sent you overboard
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Amazing! I feel like a huge weight is being lifted at the prospect of a future where I don't have to click little guys and right click where I want them to go. I'll finally have people to do that for me, like a real country's immortal gestalt!canepazzo posted:Cheers, that makes sense. What about landlocked countries though?
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I'm still not convinced about the fronts system but the generals sound like everything I had hoped for. Sure, you could get rid of that useless idiot, but then you've pissed off his friends and family in the Annoying Idiots interest group, and they have power to make things more difficult for you. Sure, you could promote that skilled, charismatic general, but he's from the Slaveholding Jerks interest group and if you promote him you'll make freeing the slaves, whether through peaceful reforms or violent revolution, more difficult. Is good.
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