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Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

DerekSmartymans posted:

It’s scary when the porn industry is more trustworthy with your cash and information than an aberration of the financial system that should have been swatted down (think flies, not Men with Guns) a decade ago.

Not trying to get mixed up between Win10 and Bitcoin thread(s) here! :angel:

Apart from the overseas scams and some smaller sites, the porn industry has an unusually good record in regards to financial propriety and protecting customer information. I guess it helps that they are adept with IT and want to avoid attracting (more) bad publicity.

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HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

Fame Douglas posted:

As long as it's the only browser with good background playback on Android, I just deactivate all the crypto bullshit and browse away.

"background playback"? are we talking about youtube here? You can view the site in desktop mode in any browser to fix that, or better still, use Newpipe

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

HalloKitty posted:

"background playback"? are we talking about youtube here? You can view the site in desktop mode in any browser to fix that, or better still, use Newpipe

You can? I don't think that's true, playback stops as soon as the browser is in the background with pretty much all of them. And no, not just Youtube. I pay for Premium, so I have no need for that.

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.

Fame Douglas posted:

As long as it's the only browser with good background playback on Android, I just deactivate all the crypto bullshit and browse away.

Check out NewPipe and/or YouTube Vanced for that. Also, NewPipe has downloading functionality as well. Vanced doesn't, but you can log into your YT account, which NewPipe doesn't do. (I just have both installed.)

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I don't seem to be able to stream to my TV from Vanced, but I don't know if that's because it's an Android TV and knows that something's up.

A good poster
Jan 10, 2010
Youtube Vanced is from the same people as Brave.

CatHorse
Jan 5, 2008

A good poster posted:

Youtube Vanced is from the same people as Brave.

Do you have more information? All I see is standard affiliate links.

A good poster
Jan 10, 2010
I just saw the mention of Brave at the bottom vancedapp.com with a link to vancedapp.com/brave, but clicking that goes to a separate affiliate URL, so I guess I spoke too soon.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Fame Douglas posted:

Either get EdgeDeflector https://github.com/da2x/EdgeDeflector or use either Firefox or Brave, as those have the method EdgeDeflector uses built-in to stop Windows from forcing Edge on you.

Speaking of EdgeDeflector: The Register: Old Microsoft is back: If the latest Windows 11 really wants to use Edge, it will use Edge no matter what

Not relevant in Windows 10, but the current insider preview build of 11 has some new code to specifically block edgedeflector/firefox/brave from handling microsoft-edge: links.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE
edge is the best browser these days anyway, Microsoft is just doing you a favour by breaking your dirty firefox habit.

SystemLogoff
Feb 19, 2011

End Session?

The Lord Bude posted:

edge is the best browser these days anyway, Microsoft is just doing you a favour by breaking your dirty firefox habit.

I like my Adblocker to keep being useful past extension manifest 3.

I did like Edge for the while I was using it though.

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with

Grimey Drawer
I've actually basically made the full switch from chromiums back to Firefox. The writing is so obviously on the wall that robust ad block on chromium is on borrowed time

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Edge is Chrome, but with tons of garbage extra non-features added and nag screens begging you to switch to Bing. Also, a start page that uses a million trackers and is broken about once every month. It's seriously terrible.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE
I can’t say I’ve ever had a problem with ad blocking on chromium-edge or chrome before that. I use ublock origin and I don’t see ads. I’ll agree the start page very occasionally doesn’t load and needs to be refreshed.

Does Firefox let you set a universal page zoom yet? This is the one non negotiable thing for me and Firefox doesn’t do it despite every other web browser having managed it for years.

I also just like the aesthetics of edge.

hooah
Feb 6, 2006
WTF?
Looks like yeah, you can set a universal zoom, assuming u understand your meaning: https://www.howtogeek.com/657255/how-to-set-a-default-zoom-level-in-firefox/

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Firefox is lacking in tons of basic features. Not only is the engine terrible, no support for multi-language spellcheck and web apps is a serious killer.

And Mozilla being questionable in general, with them pushing all kinds of weird ads (Spider man movie) and trackers (that ad company experiment) into Firefox.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

hooah posted:

Looks like yeah, you can set a universal zoom, assuming u understand your meaning: https://www.howtogeek.com/657255/how-to-set-a-default-zoom-level-in-firefox/

loving finally! Chromium has had this from day 1, and it took them until 2020 to add it in.

K8.0
Feb 26, 2004

Her Majesty's 56th Regiment of Foot

Fame Douglas posted:

Firefox is lacking in tons of basic features. Not only is the engine terrible, no support for multi-language spellcheck and web apps is a serious killer.

And Mozilla being questionable in general, with them pushing all kinds of weird ads (Spider man movie) and trackers (that ad company experiment) into Firefox.

It does run literally ten times as fast as Chrome though, so if you using a PC that isn't new it's a huge advantage.

Also if you care about being tracked there's a slight chance that Chrome is not the right browser for you.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Fame Douglas posted:

Firefox is lacking in tons of basic features. Not only is the engine terrible, no support for multi-language spellcheck and web apps is a serious killer.

And Mozilla being questionable in general, with them pushing all kinds of weird ads (Spider man movie) and trackers (that ad company experiment) into Firefox.

Yeah, Mozilla is questionable, unlike Google. :doh:

astral
Apr 26, 2004

Firefox is IMO the best of an increasingly-bad lot. Vivaldi's pretty good out of the Chromium-based stuff.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
Browers are a shitshow right now. There isnt any winning. I guess FF is cool. Edge jumped the shark hard. Chrome is googles spyware. It's not a good place to be.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
just use lynx

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Firefox Multi-Account Containers is the best browser feature in a long time and it baffles me a bit that people aren't flocking back to Firefox because of it.

I consider Firefox my main browser, with Chrome and Edge as secondary browsers in part due to my continued reliance on some Google and Microsoft products, respectively. Also partly because some websites break on one browser or another, so always having two different web browsers open lets me easily test to see if a site is just making GBS threads the bed with a particular browser (I'm looking at you, Xfinity).

DerekSmartymans
Feb 14, 2005

The
Copacetic
Ascetic
I use Edge on my iPhone because it works really really well pushing pages to all three PCs I use every day with one click. Edge works for my doctors’ telehealth visits without needing a app or extension for their program (they all use the same non-zoom non-teams program). They send me an email (my preference) when getting close and when I click the link Edge pops open for a secure chat session. I don’t even remember the actual software’s name, but we’ve used it through 2020 and I only have to go in for TD tests or surgery prep or bloodwork occasionally.

I mainly use Opera, though.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

The Lord Bude posted:

I can’t say I’ve ever had a problem with ad blocking on chromium-edge or chrome before that. I use ublock origin and I don’t see ads. I’ll agree the start page very occasionally doesn’t load and needs to be refreshed.

That's because it hasn't happened yet. It's not a problem until the beginning of 2023. At that point ad-blocking on Google Chrome and Edge will become a pumpkin and you won't have ublock anymore. All content blocking goes into an API that the browser itself then operates, with completely neutered abilities.

Non-google chrome-based browsers like Vivaldi, Opera, and Brave will still support Manifest V2 on their own. That'll last for as long as google doesn't sabotage the codebase in a way that makes it too difficult to keep the old system running.

baram.
Oct 23, 2007

smooth.


use opera gx

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

Klyith posted:

That's because it hasn't happened yet. It's not a problem until the beginning of 2023. At that point ad-blocking on Google Chrome and Edge will become a pumpkin and you won't have ublock anymore. All content blocking goes into an API that the browser itself then operates, with completely neutered abilities.

Non-google chrome-based browsers like Vivaldi, Opera, and Brave will still support Manifest V2 on their own. That'll last for as long as google doesn't sabotage the codebase in a way that makes it too difficult to keep the old system running.

I wasn't aware of this, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Are we certain Microsoft won't implement something of it's own the way Vivaldi/opera will be doing?

I'm 95% certain I'm gonna be moving to a mac at some point in the next year or so, I wasn't sure if I'd keep using edge on the mac or shifting to safari. Does anyone know how well ad blocking works on Mac safari? I can't say I have any complaints on my iphone which gives me hope for using it on mac.

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Safari implemented this upcoming Chrome manifest change years ago, it has very limited adblocking compared to anything else. Apple were the trailblazers.

This and Apple's resistance to implementing new web standards is why Safari is often called the modern Internet Explorer.

Also, why would you willingly move to mac os. What a terrible OS.

Fame Douglas fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Nov 13, 2021

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Fame Douglas posted:

Safari implemented this upcoming Chrome manifest change years ago, it has very limited adblocking compared to anything else. Apple were the trailblazers.

Also, lmao @ willingly using mac os. What a terrible OS.

:hmmyes:

zhar
May 3, 2019

iirc extension developers for safari now have to be part of the paid developers program so you have to pay for the decent safari blockers (that are still subject to the limitations). i use Firefox on my old macbook.

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE

zhar posted:

iirc extension developers for safari now have to be part of the paid developers program so you have to pay for the decent safari blockers (that are still subject to the limitations). i use Firefox on my old macbook.

I guess when the time comes I'll mess around with safari, firefox, edge and vivaldi and see how I go. I don't have hardcore ad blocking needs beyond 'don't see ads on webpages' and my ad blocker on my iphone seems to manage that just fine so I'm still hopeful.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I like Edge, some of the newer features like vertical tabs and tab grouping are a life saver when you have a ton of tabs open, plus I like being able to pin certain websites like Twitch and YouTube as desktop apps so I'm not having to hunt for a specific window or browser tab when I've got a bunch of stuff open on multiple monitors. That's also handy if you have a tablet, as you get the benefit of a standalone app but you can also use extensions, including ad block.

You can also set Edge as your password manager on Android for both websites and apps, so instead of having your credentials stored with both Google and Microsoft you can just pick one and stick with it.

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

plus I like being able to pin certain websites like Twitch and YouTube as desktop apps so I'm not having to hunt for a specific window or browser tab when I've got a bunch of stuff open on multiple monitors.

That's one of those Chrome features that's really missing in Firefox. I use it to pin Gmail, Keep, Messages etc. to my taskbar with Brave.

Fame Douglas fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Nov 13, 2021

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

The Lord Bude posted:

I wasn't aware of this, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Are we certain Microsoft won't implement something of it's own the way Vivaldi/opera will be doing?

They're not going to continue full support for Manifest V2 like vivaldi & opera.

Aside from that, they've been talking out of both sides of their mouth about this issue ever since google first dropped the news that they were killing WebRequest (the API that blockers use) like 2 years ago. MS has said stuff like "we won't compromise the capabilities of extensions" to the tech press, but given zero details about how. The only hard info I can see is:

quote:

The Microsoft Edge extensions team replaces Web Request API with Declarative Net Request API, but continues to keep the observational capabilities of the Web Request API.
Which afaik means adblockers are still hosed on Edge. Woo, you can see what ads you're loading using the powerful API. But you can't touch them except with the lovely API.


tldr microsoft sells ads too

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I wouldn't expect the browser that will display coupon offers unasked when you're buying something to be strong on adblocking.

Twibbit
Mar 7, 2013

Is your refrigerator running?
Weird, unblock is still working for me?

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Twibbit
Mar 7, 2013

Is your refrigerator running?
Not sure how it fits the This is fine format, but neat that you put in the effort! I am usually just ignored

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Twibbit posted:

Not sure how it fits the This is fine format, but neat that you put in the effort! I am usually just ignored

well in 14 months when you're in the final panel of the comic maybe you'll get it

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Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

I thought about it and I don't want to go back to an internet full of ads. Looks like I'll be doing Firefox in 2023, but I think I'll still use Chrome for the embedded google stuff. Gmail, Docs/sheets, Calendar, Drive, Keep Notes, etc. Unless they start putting ads in those.

Twitch defeated ad blockers (at least uBlock Origin) some time ago, but only with live streams. Those are the only ads I see on PC internet now. Vods are still add-free, thankfully.

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