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My friends. I have a job offer Buuuut, but the benefits pile is a steaming pile of poo poo. Also, not sure i want to work for an event company during COVID. And it would be a 20k pay cut.
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Pillowpants posted:My friends. Why are you moving jobs?
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Lockback posted:Why are you moving jobs? I Hired someone to work for me in December and then they decided both to demote me and make that person my boss in Q2 because my HR rep hates me. (She just got another person fired and has made one persons life so miserable hes about to quit with no job) I work in Payroll and have a bankruptcy on my record so I've had a hard time finding things.
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I probably wouldn't take a paycut/benefits cut in that situation unless your day to day was really lovely (like you might be in a crappy position but if the day to day isn't too bad that's usually better for mental health, imo). I'd agree with you on finding something else (and understand the toughness) but taking another lovely job that is a a step back probably doesn't actually solve your problems. Also try negotiating hard, you might be surprised that they can come up to a number you can live with. Companies disconnected from 2021 salaries eventually will cave and you never know if that might be you.
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Nov 1, 2021 19:48
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Lockback posted:I probably wouldn't take a paycut/benefits cut in that situation unless your day to day was really lovely (like you might be in a crappy position but if the day to day isn't too bad that's usually better for mental health, imo). I'd agree with you on finding something else (and understand the toughness) but taking another lovely job that is a a step back probably doesn't actually solve your problems. They don't have 401k Out of pocket max is like 20k Life Insurance maxes out at 25k Prescriptions are $30, urgent care is $75, specialist visits are $60 (those were $5, $15, and $15 now) I could probably negotiate the salary but I'd be spending $200 more a WEEK on specialist visits since my son is autistic and in OT/Speech.
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Welp, I didn't get the job at fruit loops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UlXcoVHnog Had three interviews for the final round, but I think one of those interviews was the one that did me in. Interviewer was clearly distracted and was responding to messages/emails during the interview which was pretty rude. Also they cut me off to tell me I didn't quite understand the job posting, which was odd because I was essentially repeating verbatim what the hiring manager and their director had described the role as being  Oh well, chalking it up as experience going forward. On to the next one.
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Sounds like the decision to hire someone else was made before that interview and they were annoyed they had to go through the motions.
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Nov 2, 2021 14:54
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Eric the Mauve posted:Sounds like the decision to hire someone else was made before that interview and they were annoyed they had to go through the motions. Yeah quite possibly that when I think about how the last two interviews felt, which, what can you do about that? Experience either way, so I'll take it in stride.
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Handsome Ralph posted:Yeah quite possibly that when I think about how the last two interviews felt, which, what can you do about that? Experience either way, so I'll take it in stride. Did they at least call you by the correct name? I had one experience like this where they called me Peter for the whole interview.
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Did you good naturedely explain to them that it's not that you're lazy, it's that you just don't care?Handsome Ralph posted:Yeah quite possibly that when I think about how the last two interviews felt, which, what can you do about that? Experience either way, so I'll take it in stride. Yeah exactly right. Good experience, plus you never know what doors might get opened if you impress someone even if the position you're interviewing for isn't actually open.
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Thanks thread for the help getting up to speed with resume/cv/references stuff. Was offered the position today at a higher salary than I was expecting. They actually offered it as a permanent position instead of the temporary which for various reasons shuts some doors for me for no reason so I emailed back and I'm expecting them to be okay with me taking it as a temp position. Thanks again.
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VelociBacon posted:Thanks thread for the help getting up to speed with resume/cv/references stuff. Was offered the position today at a higher salary than I was expecting. They actually offered it as a permanent position instead of the temporary which for various reasons shuts some doors for me for no reason so I emailed back and I'm expecting them to be okay with me taking it as a temp position. Thanks again. I'm trying to imagine how a permanent offer from the employer shuts doors for the employee? The permanence only restricts the employer in the sense that they have obligations if they want to terminate your employment-- as an employee you are still free to quit whenever you want.
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Mantle posted:I'm trying to imagine how a permanent offer from the employer shuts doors for the employee? The permanence only restricts the employer in the sense that they have obligations if they want to terminate your employment-- as an employee you are still free to quit whenever you want. It's complicated healthcare union stuff, right now I work full time at the bedside as a respiratory therapist. It's a union job, it's my own permanent full time line. This other job, clinical informatics specialist, if I take it as a temporary assignment (it would have no end date because it's an ongoing project and can be transitioned to permanent pretty much any time), they have to keep my ownership of the respiratory therapy line I have currently. Even if I'm working in this other job for 4 years they still have to always give me the option to go back and take my RT line. So if something changes with the project, or RTs start to make what we should make (unlikely), I can not only just go back to that job if I want, I can also use that as a bargaining chip to increase the salary in the specialist role.
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Nov 2, 2021 23:28
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VelociBacon posted:It's complicated healthcare union stuff, right now I work full time at the bedside as a respiratory therapist. It's a union job, it's my own permanent full time line. This other job, clinical informatics specialist, if I take it as a temporary assignment (it would have no end date because it's an ongoing project and can be transitioned to permanent pretty much any time), they have to keep my ownership of the respiratory therapy line I have currently. Even if I'm working in this other job for 4 years they still have to always give me the option to go back and take my RT line. So if something changes with the project, or RTs start to make what we should make (unlikely), I can not only just go back to that job if I want, I can also use that as a bargaining chip to increase the salary in the specialist role. Ah this makes sense. I have a friend in a similar situation taking a temporary RCMP job while keeping a hold on the previous role at ICBC.
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Is there a tactful way to ask about the details of a company's health benefits during/after an interview? Like, if you're in a situation where coverage of a specialty mediation is non-negotiable? For context, I've been freelancing full-time for the past five years and haven't properly interviewed for a job in my current field since 2012. When I've had health insurance from my employer in the past I was young(er) and didn't really care. Now that I'm on a bunch of meds, I definitely do!
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Nov 5, 2021 22:38
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I would assume that the proper time would be when they extend an offer.
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Nov 5, 2021 23:36
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Definitely when an offer is extended you should, but politely reaching out earlier to a recruiter with "As I am weighing options as we move forward through the proces, I am wondering if you have details about your health insurance that I can review." That isn't at all unprofessional.
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Nov 7, 2021 16:52
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Yeah I don't think any point is too early to ask. Larger companies especially will usually have a PDF ready to send you. I just left a job that had excellent benefits and paid for most of my dependents. When I was comparing potential offers, the lack of company contribution for dependents was like taking a $20K pay cut. So I was asking about that before I bothered to devote any time to their interview process.
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After four months of prep coursing, taking three written exams and an oral and practical exam, I have my airframe and powerplant certificate. Now it's time to apply for jobs--one job I will be reapplying for is at Lockheed, and in the past few months both jobs I applied for there prior to my certification declined me, so I'm gonna try again for at least one of those because they still have a few positions open there for that specific job. That said, I'm tweaking my resume and changing it up a bit to reapply, unsure where to go from here but my wife did say to take my two previous experience bullets and merge them into one since they are related and I need the space. Should I tweak the CL too, or leave it alone? I'll be applying at other companies too, so I will be making little tweaks here and there to suit the respective employers and tailor my resume, but my current resume needs it for the time being.
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Nov 8, 2021 22:57
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life is killing me posted:After four months of prep coursing, taking three written exams and an oral and practical exam, I have my airframe and powerplant certificate. Now it's time to apply for jobs--one job I will be reapplying for is at Lockheed, and in the past few months both jobs I applied for there prior to my certification declined me, so I'm gonna try again for at least one of those because they still have a few positions open there for that specific job. That said, I'm tweaking my resume and changing it up a bit to reapply, unsure where to go from here but my wife did say to take my two previous experience bullets and merge them into one since they are related and I need the space. Should I tweak the CL too, or leave it alone? I'll be applying at other companies too, so I will be making little tweaks here and there to suit the respective employers and tailor my resume, but my current resume needs it for the time being. Congrats on passing. Always be optimizing. If you can say the same thing in fewer words, do it. Also, have a big defense co req bit of advice and rant: Apply to multiple reqs at these companies. Even reqs that are the same thing at the same site (e.g. two reqs titled Powerplant Maintainer in Dallas, TX). Apply to both. They could have totally different hiring managers on different programs and the two req owners have no idea the other exists. Also one could be a bullshit one they float as a catch all while the other is an urgent need. You'd think they have systems in place for combining them but those systems sure seem to be imperfect at best. EDIT: To be clear was an IC, not a manager at a big defense co. So its a peons view of how the system works. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Nov 8, 2021 |
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Nov 8, 2021 23:47
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The hard part is telling apart companies from their job listings. In google the same company will have five job listings for the same job through different websites, and only one of those listings is directly from them. In aerospace (and lots of other fields I am sure) they have temp agencies out the rear end, many for smaller companies held by investment firms who prioritize profit and operational readiness over maintenance schedules, or for companies that are, by all reviews, run by a bunch of poo poo heads who have no business running anything. Anyway, I will absolutely apply for all the job listings for the same job. Lockheed is one of my top three companies I really want to work for. Edit: also nervous because my recency of experience in aerospace/aviation is ten years old, almost.
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life is killing me posted:The hard part is telling apart companies from their job listings. In google the same company will have five job listings for the same job through different websites, and only one of those listings is directly from them. In aerospace (and lots of other fields I am sure) they have temp agencies out the rear end, many for smaller companies held by investment firms who prioritize profit and operational readiness over maintenance schedules, or for companies that are, by all reviews, run by a bunch of poo poo heads who have no business running anything. It was my experience 5 years ago that those companies always have the reqs on their site. I have never gotten a response from an external req that wasn't on a defense contractors home domain name's careers page. Apply there, it probably saves them money. Also I can tell you from having had as a supplier or directly worked at 4 of the big 5 defense companies. I've visited the sites of easily 25 defense contractors (closer to 50 if you count unique sites). Sat in meetings, talked, tested avionics and ate with them. They are basically indistinguishable as an engineer. If you have a huge boner for the F-35, aight. But its a big rear end company and you are a cog in a big machine.
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Going to 2nd all the advice about applying to any req that looks the same, multiple reqs, etc and the big companies being very similar. Just ending 7 years at a defense contractor as an IC and briefly management and I always moved around by applying to tons of reqs. I have visited a lot of defense suppliers and it seems like the smaller companies don't pay as well and work their people harder. If you can get into a Boeing/Lockheed/Raytheon level it should be pretty chill.
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Yeah I mean I'm under no illusions, but Lockheed has been good to the umpteen people I know who work there. I'm mainly looking for a stable schedule as far as my family goes, and I figure a bigger company has the means and the leeway to provide that moreso than one of the smaller unknown aerospace companies. What I mean is, if I can avoid working nights and weekends, or if I have a higher likelihood of avoiding that with a bigger company like Lockheed, I'll certainly try and throw my hat into the ring. Going as a contractor to a smaller company by and large seems like they will just chew me up and spit me out for $25/hr
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life is killing me posted:Yeah I mean I'm under no illusions, but Lockheed has been good to the umpteen people I know who work there. I'm mainly looking for a stable schedule as far as my family goes, and I figure a bigger company has the means and the leeway to provide that moreso than one of the smaller unknown aerospace companies. What I mean is, if I can avoid working nights and weekends, or if I have a higher likelihood of avoiding that with a bigger company like Lockheed, I'll certainly try and throw my hat into the ring. Going as a contractor to a smaller company by and large seems like they will just chew me up and spit me out for $25/hr yep, that makes sense
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I have a group phone interview scheduled at a hospital system for an oncology pharmacist on Wednesday. Today, I received word about a phone screening interview with the same hospital system, but different location. I'm thinking I simply let them know I'm interviewing for a different position at the same hospital system, though I prefer the latter due to location. Is there anything else I should do or say?
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Nov 9, 2021 03:38
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Can I just tell you all how much I hate the “what is your management style?” Question.
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Pillowpants posted:Can I just tell you all how much I hate the “what is your management style?” Question. I'd love to hear thread suggestions.
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My management style is to be a servant. If I have a team it's my responsibility to make sure they have what they need to complete the job, understand the requirements, why they're important etc. If the team gets praise I make sure the person responsible gets the credit. If there is a gently caress-up it's my fault. That said if you explain the what & why to someone multiple times, have done whatever you can to give them adequate training and they still don't get it... move fast to get them out. I have managed people and I hate it. But following this approach I was able to win over 25 cranky old dudes who had been doing the job for longer than I'd been alive, so I think it was pretty successful. But I am not perfect and there were things I could have done better.
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Hi Jobthread, is the viewpoint expressed in OP that following up on an application is a waste of time or worse still thread consensus? Had a 3rd interview with an employer last week that seemed to go awfully well and am anxious for an update, but not at the cost of irritating the people doing the hiring.
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Nov 10, 2021 18:58
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Is it worth asking UK based HR for feedback on why they've decided not to progress with your application after the HR screening interview? I'm pretty sure it's because they got the vibe that I aimed low with the role and would be bored but it'd be nice to get confirmation.
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Nov 10, 2021 19:48
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I'm in Australia, not the UK, but I don't think that you've really got anything to lose by asking for generic feedback after an interview. They either give it to you or they don't.
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Upgrade posted:Glad to hear! Happy to answer more questions about university hiring, too. This is a little frustrating. They told me to expect answer by 5th. Nothing. Yesterday I had enough and asked by email what is the situation. Answer was that no decision has been made yet. They would tell me when they have done. Likely the job was offered to someone else, and they are negotiating and keeping me on reserve. Or, this university is terribly slow in their decision making. Well, better start preparing CV for the next (similar) open position closer to home, I guess.
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all entities are slow in decision making but universities are especially slow if they make a decision within a month of their intended date i would be shocked
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bee posted:I'm in Australia, not the UK, but I don't think that you've really got anything to lose by asking for generic feedback after an interview. They either give it to you or they don't.
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There’s a possibility I may receive an offer from a company, which will involve a career shift and a pretty big pay and benefit increase. I’ve searched my area to try to figure out what I should expect, but there’s not a lot of results. It’s my inclination to instantly accept whatever they offer, because barring a lowball offer, it’s going to be a positive move. I feel like a mildly risky pick for this role—that is, I have experience, but there’s a fair amount of people with more that they could pivot to. This would be my entry into something more stable. It also comes with unlimited PTO and, based on what I’ve seen so far, they actually mean it. Probably. I hope. Should I attempt offer negotiation when I could be looking at a life-changing increase in salary? Even if I don’t like this job, it’ll give me a way to pivot into the field I want. My current role has no upward movement, constantly gets pushed around in restructuring, involves being managed by people I don’t respect, and has been blatantly ignored for salary increases (along with the rest of my team). This is a lot of words to say “how did I get here, why do they want to pay me, I am clearly an imposter,” etc.
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Everyone is an impostor so don't worry about that. Usually there's little to no room for negotiation on an internal promotion because they know your current salary and they know your BATNA (not getting promoted and also probably being closed off from any future promotion at this company) really sucks. The offer should be a very significant increase over your current salary commensurate with the very significant increase in responsibilities. If it's not a great salary you can bank the experience and resume enhancement for ~18 months and then jump. So unless the offer is a comical "WTF are they thinking" lowball I'd just accept it. But I would get a very clear picture of what is expected of me in terms of hours/availability/travel first and negotiate on those points if necessary. You don't want to get yourself into a "my pay just increased 20% but now I'll spend 70 hours a week on work instead of 45, whoops!" situation. e: sorry, this isn't the negotiation thread so I shouldn't assume people know the acronyms. BATNA = Best Alternative To Negotiated Agreement Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Nov 12, 2021 |
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Is it really important to use the colors of the company you’re applying to, in your resume? Like American Airlines’ blue and red incorporated into one’s resume. It feels like a gigantic pain in the rear end given the number of companies I’m applying to, so I’m wondering if it’s worth it (i.e. does it make me stand out out significantly or is it just a standard thing or what) to do?
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