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Failed Imagineer posted:https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1459136193162063872?t=26YXW0yTjCTQ84K9fhh_nw&s=19 You meant to post the same tweet twice?
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'Now i realise how you managed to get Brexit done'.... this might just be the funniest sentence i've heard all year. 
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Jedit posted:You meant to post the same tweet twice? Well ...no ... But now you've gone and posted it a 3rd and 4th time so I hope you're happy 
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https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1459136551460511750?t=LXjAQBWSHgLzuueQQ4_8cw&s=19 This is a pretty poo poo take from Diane.
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Lungboy posted:This article is very interesting https://twitter.com/LaurakBuzz/status/1458483178658746371. If I had time I'd try and corroborate some of it. I'd heard of the Forbes case before, but I wasn't aware that it had set such a damaging legal precedent. In the previous discussion (somewhere on these forums but I don't recall where) I had the impression there were a number of historical examples of aristos quietly living as their preferred gender regardless of what they'd been assigned at birth and generally being accepted - perhaps considered a little eccentric, or it simply being a private medical matter. A little unclear to me how it worked out if your family didn't own a county or two though.
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One of the worst things about being trans in this country is all the institutional lock-keeping
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stev posted:https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1459136551460511750?t=LXjAQBWSHgLzuueQQ4_8cw&s=19
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A day late due to *antics* but your weekly UKMT-podspawn is out just now: https://twitter.com/PraxisCast/status/1459162194495651847?s=20
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Guavanaut posted:"Some schools are offering free condoms. Schools should not be having sex with children." They'll try though 
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Jedit posted:You meant to post the same tweet twice? Failed Imagineer will return in "You Only Post Twice."
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Some of the comments by SWERFs I don't think know what work is, or what sex is, or some combination of the two. "If it's work, we'd have well-meaning people volunteering to do it", if sex work was real work then also people would be having sex with people that they like for free! 
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Oh and grammar too. Sex, work, and grammar. I'm not sure what the lizard thing is, I think it came up itt a couple days back, but I'm fairly sure it means 'the worst people on twitter' Nice casual ablism from the one calling other people fascist too 
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Guavanaut posted:Oh and grammar too. Sex, work, and grammar. Shinigami eyes putting the work in there I see!
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Guavanaut posted:Oh and grammar too. Sex, work, and grammar.
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Yo is socialist alternative any good or is it an org for idiots and terfs? Ran into some guys at a protest who tried to get me to sign up
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Failed Imagineer posted:https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1459136193162063872?t=26YXW0yTjCTQ84K9fhh_nw&s=19 I don't understand the shopping trolley emoji in this tweet
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suck my woke dick posted:Yo is socialist alternative any good or is it an org for idiots and terfs? Ran into some guys at a protest who tried to get me to sign up I think they're a splinter from The Socialist Party who were the descendants of Militant. But I might be wrong.
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sinky posted:The trans agenda wants to turn your child into a coal barge. Sounds more like the work of the trains agenda.
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radmonger posted:Sounds more like the work of the trains agenda. Welcome to tiny tran world, Winston
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ThomasPaine posted:I don't understand the shopping trolley emoji in this tweet I think he's referring to 'the market'?
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SA give you bad vibes because they sound like Socialist Appeal, who are poo poo. I have a friend in socialist alternative and it seems pretty good all round. Very pro-trans, not melty or anything as far as I know. My mate speaks highly of them and he’s a very very dead on guy.
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ThomasPaine posted:I don't understand the shopping trolley emoji in this tweet He uses it to mean Boris Johnson
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suck my woke dick posted:Yo is socialist alternative any good or is it an org for idiots and terfs? Ran into some guys at a protest who tried to get me to sign up They are Trots. Do with this information what you will. Personally Trots dedication to Democratic Centralism just seems like an excuse to cover up sex crimes by their committee members & they seem more interested in covering those up & also splitting parties like atoms in a runaway fission reaction. But apparently they are connected to International Socialist Alternative which had a comically big splitup over "IdPol", the Socialist Alternative split off from the Socialist Party of England & Wales (which as Jaeluni says is a direct sequel to Militant) because...man, I don't loving know, reading this poo poo makes my eyes glaze over. It's 2 starving people fighting over who gets to try suck the nutrition out of the last pebble. I think SPEW are the faction that are mad about intersectionality but I'm sure they'd not paint it that way.
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Jakabite posted:SA give you bad vibes because they sound like Socialist Appeal, who are poo poo. I have a friend in socialist alternative and it seems pretty good all round. Very pro-trans, not melty or anything as far as I know. My mate speaks highly of them and he’s a very very dead on guy. Actually I think I might have got the vibe from Patriotic Alternative, the BNP splinter who keep calling in to LBC to try and slip in Great Replacement talking points (including right under the nose of Kieth, of course).
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Ah yes, Mark Collet’s little fash club/hill walking group. Right nasty bunch of bastards.
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On the other hand however you want to theorywank it, recorded history has shown that criminalizing, ostracising, and pushing sex work underground only does more harm and diane abbot as someone who alleges to be a politician should know that rather than gobbing off on "sex work bad, no support for sex workers" All work is degrading, economically coercive, and turns the body into a commodity, because it's work, that's how work, works. But she isn't going around saying that universities should not be training people to perform other kinds of work.
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OwlFancier posted:On the other hand however you want to theorywank it, recorded history has shown that criminalizing, ostracising, and pushing sex work underground only does more harm and diane abbot as someone who alleges to be a politician should know that rather than gobbing off on "sex work bad, no support for sex workers" I mean my overall point was that sex workers themselves shouldn't be criminalised or pushed underground. Also, I don't really think it's a push to say that sex work is uniquely exploitative because whereas labour is commodified, the body that produces that labour is, ordinarily, not. Alongside the implications of purchasing someone's literal being. I hated being a janitor, don't get me wrong, but I'd have hated it a whole lot more if everyone who visited my place of employment felt completely within their rights to put their hands down my pants.
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I am finding it hard to draw a firm line between the effects of many forms of labour on the body, the damage it does, the reduction of the thing people need to carry their being around in and experience the world through, into a machine component to be inserted into the great engine of capital to wear and break and spend its parts until it fails and is released into a scant few years of senescence and faltering function until it finally grinds to a halt all the sooner for its careless use by those who bought it by the hour, and the kind where loving is involved. I would hate sex work, but I also hate a lot of other kinds of work, to the point I think I would actually rather die than do them. But other people do do them and they seem to manage it well enough even though I can't really see how they could manage it. I don't think going around trying to persecute them in their jobs would help them any. It's absolutely a dangerous job, but I think a lot of that danger specifically comes from people doing poo poo like abbott is doing and refusing to conscience the actual reality of people's lives and making it harder for them to have even the meager rights that other workers often have. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Nov 12, 2021 |
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Students entering sex work are either doing it for financial reasons or non-financial reasons. Noting that students are increasingly entering sex work means either they're more desperate for cash or the average British person is getting better at doing sexual things so it's cool and good to find (even) more opportunities to do it. I'm going to go with the former reason as the primary driver and so for the university, inevitably the major cause of costs for students, to see this and then facilitate support rather than lessen the financial burden is poo poo. No objection to student societies and whatnot offering support but coming from university services directly it's bad.
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OwlFancier posted:Cutting the support isn't going to stop the students from doing what they have to to meet financial obligations though is it. And if she thought about it that way she could have written it that way but she didn't. I don't really care about Abbotts take on it, just making my point. The University has obviously noted the change in how students support themselves and felt a need to act but ignored their role in creating the conditions causing the change in student behaviour. 'More students needing to take on additional income to study with us.' should cause universities to consider the financial burdens they put on students, not on making sure the jobs they take aren't too dangerous.
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I mean that assumes that univerisites exist for a reason other than to get money out of students which I don't think is the case.
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Durham University is not offering training to students who are sex workers. She is (deliberately?) misquoting the article. It is offering training to staff on how best to support students who are turning to sex work to support themselves during their course of study. Nobody is getting tips on deepthroating a client or where to get free condoms.
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