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Early in arena I put a pacifism on one of those "double every turn" hydras, so while I didn't have it, my opponent had two 1000+/1000+ creatures
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HootTheOwl posted:Early in arena I put a pacifism on one of those "double every turn" hydras, so while I didn't have it, my opponent had two 1000+/1000+ creatures
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Nov 12, 2021 13:16
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HootTheOwl posted:Early in arena I put a pacifism on one of those "double every turn" hydras, so while I didn't have it, my opponent had two 1000+/1000+ creatures Speaking of Pacifism, it's never been worse lol.
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Nov 12, 2021 16:16
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mcmagic posted:Speaking of Pacifism, it's never been worse lol. Seems like it's in the same place it's been for years: playable creatures are almost excessively the ones that do something on ETB or at all times. Playing removal that actually removes has always been better.
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Nov 12, 2021 17:16
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HootTheOwl posted:Seems like it's in the same place it's been for years: playable creatures are almost excessively the ones that do something on ETB or at all times. Playing removal that actually removes has always been better. Exploit coming back definitely makes it worse
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Nov 12, 2021 17:23
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Mezzanon posted:Exploit coming back definitely makes it worse At the very least in both MID and VOW there are pacifism-style enchantments that let you exile the enchanted creature for an additional cost. But yeah it's not a great effect
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Nov 12, 2021 17:42
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Pacifism effects have never been constructed viable unless it's Pillory Of The Sleepless or Faith's Fetters
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Nov 12, 2021 17:52
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Finally, Magic is good, again.
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Nov 12, 2021 17:55
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Toshimo posted:Finally, Magic is good, again. Post Malone just living his best life isn't he.
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Nov 12, 2021 18:08
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The meme about "i've only had this X for a day but if anyone harms them ill kill everyone in the room and then myself" but it's post malone and the mtg community
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Nov 12, 2021 18:17
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Why is Arena making me install a MS C++ suite as part of the update?
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Nov 12, 2021 18:34
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run baddog.exe
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Nov 12, 2021 18:35
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Rules question. If I cast an opponent's Arc Blade with my Etali, what happens? Do I exile and get to use it every 3 turns?
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Nov 12, 2021 19:29
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Fritzler posted:Rules question. If I cast an opponent's Arc Blade with my Etali, what happens? Do I exile and get to use it every 3 turns? From what I can find online, no, you cast it the first time and once it goes into exile with suspend counters it no longer has a controller, and the card's owner gets to resolve the trigger so they would get to cast it when the last suspend counter is removed and put it back into suspend, etc.
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Nov 12, 2021 19:39
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Cards always return to their owner when they change zones.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:22
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So do Time Counters have an official meaning in MTG where if you can place a Time Counter onto a non-suspended permanent and then cast an exile card on the permanent... do you still remove a Time Counter until it no longer has one and then when it doesn't.. is it brought back into the playing field?
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Nov 12, 2021 20:30
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Is an example of giving a card time counters, but it also gives the suspend keyword as well.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:36
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Time counters don't have any inherent rules to them. Unless a card has an effect that cares about time counters they just sit there doing nothing. That being said there are some cards that can give a card suspend, like Jhoira of the Ghitu.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:36
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neaden posted:Cards always return to their owner when they change zones. I'm not sure this is true, if you exile an opponent's bone crusher giant with robber of the rich and cast stomp off of it, the card goes into exile under your control and you are able to cast the giant from exile.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:39
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Strong Sauce posted:So do Time Counters have an official meaning in MTG where if you can place a Time Counter onto a non-suspended permanent and then cast an exile card on the permanent... do you still remove a Time Counter until it no longer has one and then when it doesn't.. is it brought back into the playing field? Only if it has suspend, which arc blade dies. If a card without suspend ended up exiled with time counters, I don't think any thing would happen. This is why Jhoria of the Ghitu gives the cards suspend.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:40
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Cactrot posted:I'm not sure this is true, if you exile an opponent's bone crusher giant with robber of the rich and cast stomp off of it, the card goes into exile under your control and you are able to cast the giant from exile. You are right, that is because adventure specifies it's controller exiles it. So I should have said returns to owner unless otherwise specified.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:43
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neaden posted:Cards always return to their owner when they change zones. Pablo Nergigante posted:From what I can find online, no, you cast it the first time and once it goes into exile with suspend counters it no longer has a controller, and the card's owner gets to resolve the trigger so they would get to cast it when the last suspend counter is removed and put it back into suspend, etc.
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Nov 12, 2021 20:55
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Cactrot posted:I'm not sure this is true, if you exile an opponent's bone crusher giant with robber of the rich and cast stomp off of it, the card goes into exile under your control and you are able to cast the giant from exile. Technically, only permanents have controllers, and permanents are only permanents on the battlefield. So when referring to cards in exile it will say 'cards you own' or whatever generically. And for specific things it usually goes off the 'you' or the controller of the ability specifying what happens to it when put in exile.
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Nov 12, 2021 21:01
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Fritzler posted:Rules question. If I cast an opponent's Arc Blade with my Etali, what happens? Do I exile and get to use it every 3 turns? Strong Sauce posted:So do Time Counters have an official meaning in MTG where if you can place a Time Counter onto a non-suspended permanent and then cast an exile card on the permanent... do you still remove a Time Counter until it no longer has one and then when it doesn't.. is it brought back into the playing field? Suspend actually represents 3 abilities. 1st the ability to suspend a card (exile and put time counters) Second a triggered ability which removes time counters. (One an upkeep) Third another triggered ability which casts the spell when the last counter is removed. A non-suspend card with time counters won't do anything because its suspend which does the doing. Also what makes a card suspended is it being in exile with Time Counters. Finally if you exile a permanant with counters on it, those counters don't follow it to other zones. They disappear. (Skullbrier excepted) Abhorrence posted:Only if it has suspend, which arc blade dies. If a card without suspend ended up exiled with time counters, I don't think any thing would happen. This is why Jhoria of the Ghitu gives the cards suspend. Cactrot posted:I'm not sure this is true, if you exile an opponent's bone crusher giant with robber of the rich and cast stomp off of it, the card goes into exile under your control and you are able to cast the giant from exile.
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Nov 12, 2021 22:05
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Mezzanon posted:Exploit coming back definitely makes it worse
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Nov 12, 2021 22:07
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If you exile a printed 0/0 creature with at least one +1/+1 counter on it and the counters go away, does the creature die in exile? Or does it just hang out in exile at 0/0?
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Nov 12, 2021 22:16
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Leperflesh posted:If you exile a printed 0/0 creature with at least one +1/+1 counter on it and the counters go away, does the creature die in exile? Or does it just hang out in exile at 0/0? Depends on the creature thats exiled. https://scryfall.com/card/rna/183/hydroid-krasis comes back as a 0/0 with no counters on it and dies. https://scryfall.com/card/vow/68/mirrorhall-mimic-ghastly-mimicry the mimick comes back and copies something https://scryfall.com/card/eld/98/oathsworn-knight comes back with its 4 counters.
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Nov 12, 2021 22:25
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Leperflesh posted:If you exile a printed 0/0 creature with at least one +1/+1 counter on it and the counters go away, does the creature die in exile? Or does it just hang out in exile at 0/0? The latter. Being */0 is only a death sentence on the battlefield. If it's a blink effect or whatever though, when the creature comes back it will die as a state based effect if it's toughness is 0 or less.
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Nov 12, 2021 22:26
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Leperflesh posted:If you exile a printed 0/0 creature with at least one +1/+1 counter on it and the counters go away, does the creature die in exile? Or does it just hang out in exile at 0/0? Stays exiled, same as 0 toughness creatures in your hand. Things with 0 toughness get put into the graveyard as a SBA but it only checks things on the battlefield.
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Nov 12, 2021 22:27
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got it, thank you e. when a */0 creature returns to the battlefield from exile and then dies, is this really a "dies" effect that you could use to trigger a "when x dies" on another card? I think the answer is yes, but I am not 100% sure
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Nov 12, 2021 22:28
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Leperflesh posted:got it, thank you Yes. "Dies" means "is put into a graveyard from the battlefield".
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Nov 12, 2021 22:34
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Leperflesh posted:If you exile a printed 0/0 creature with at least one +1/+1 counter on it and the counters go away, does the creature die in exile? Or does it just hang out in exile at 0/0? Only permanents on the battlefield can die. Cards in exile, your hand, your library can have whatever toughness they want. And they lose all of their counters. HootTheOwl fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Nov 12, 2021 |
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Nov 12, 2021 22:35
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Leperflesh posted:got it, thank you Correct. "Dies" is simply thematic shorthand put into the graveyard form the battlefield. 700.4. The term dies means “is put into a graveyard from the battlefield.”
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Nov 12, 2021 22:37
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One of the more confusing things in MTG imo is how RIP-style effects shut down 'dies' effects. It makes sense when someone explains it to you, but I guarantee you if I only ever played MTG in a bubble with like one or two friends and never went online I'd be handling that interaction incorrectly.
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Nov 12, 2021 22:41
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fadam posted:One of the more confusing things in MTG imo is how RIP-style effects shut down 'dies' effects. It makes sense when someone explains it to you, but I guarantee you if I only ever played MTG in a bubble with like one or two friends and never went online I'd be handling that interaction incorrectly. It also shouldn't IMO.  If you make dies a keyword, and tack exile effect on everything, you should also give dies some privledges. Like how discard can discard into exile.
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Nov 12, 2021 22:45
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HootTheOwl posted:It also shouldn't IMO. I think one of the reasons Exile exists is to give people room to play around dies triggers.
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Nov 12, 2021 22:47
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drat, i hardly ever go to any forum other than this one and sa-mart (I have this one bookmarked) but somehow i clicked gbs today and just saw about lowtax...pretty crazy.... looking forward to pre-release tonight though!
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Nov 12, 2021 23:03
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fadam posted:I think one of the reasons Exile exists is to give people room to play around dies triggers. Then they should print more generic leaves trhe battlefield triggers
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Nov 12, 2021 23:04
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HootTheOwl posted:Then they should print more generic leaves trhe battlefield triggers Why? Isn't this inconsistent with your take on Emblems being bad because there's no interaction for them?
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fadam posted:Why? Isn't this inconsistent with your take on Emblems being bad because there's no interaction for them? No? Because they can and do print cards that explicitly stop dies triggers. Like Hushbringer. Or Turn to Frog
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