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Wait, *that's* who she works for? So for those who don't recognise the name - The Aspinall Foundation is the continuation of the former private zoos owned by John Aspinall, owner of the Clermont Club and other private casinos in London. The latter were at the centre of basically every big political movement in the UK from the mid 60s to the mid 90s - from the disappearance of Lord Lucan[1], through the abortive planning of a military coup against Harold Wilson[2], the asset-stripping of the 80s[3] and the founding of the Referendum Party[4] (which of course begat UKIP). They really do love rubbing our noses in this poo poo, don't they? [1] Private Eye and others have alleged that Aspinall and James Goldsmith were instrumental in getting Lucan, a member of the Clermont, out of the country and channeling his money to him to fund his lifestyle. [2] Cecil King, owner of the Daily Mirror and IPC (and cousin to the current owner of the Mail), Solly Zuckerman, Chief Scientific Officer of the UK after the war, David Stirling, founder of the SAS and big old fascist, and various other establishment figures who were members of the Clermont decided that even Harold Wilson's milquetoast first government was far too left wing for them and decided to try and remove him. King actually drafted a front-page editorial for the Mirror - then the largest-circulation paper in the country - explicitly calling for Wilson's removal by extraparliamentary methods, and approached Lord Mountbatten, just returned from being the last Viceroy of India, to lead a military junta to be established after Wilson's removal. Mountbatten, to his credit, told King to get hosed, which seems to have taken the wind out of their sails. [3] Jim Slater and another bloke whose name I can't remember basically invented asset stripping as we currently recognise it. They recognised that accounting rules of the time meant that companies that were massively capital-intensive - i.e. most secondary industry in the UK - could be bought up for a fraction of the resale, or even scrap, value of their tooling. Bankrolled by Tiny Rowland and other members of the Clermont, they did exactly this, obliterating factories that had in many cases been in business for centuries overnight. We blame the death of the North on Thatcher but it was Slater and those that followed him that actually wielded the knife and a substantial amount of the damage was actually done under Heath and Callaghan. [4] James Goldsmith (father of FBPE and liberal darling Zac) was probably the most successful of the pirate capitalists in the Clermont, got a bee in his bonnet about the EU and neoliberalism in his dotage, and lavishly funded a party to stand at the 1997 election demanding a referendum on whether or not to leave the EU. This actually split the vote in quite a few Tory seats, and famously did for David Mellor's career. With Goldsmith's death, a lot of the people involved with the party, emboldened by the sheer amount of press coverage they got despite getting less than 1% of the vote, flooded into the then-moribund UKIP (which had itself been the main victim of the RP's rise).
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goddamnedtwisto posted:
Good little writeup! I think the name you're looking for is Peter Walker (the MP, not the Guardian writer).
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How I Won the Herero Wars by Lothar von Trotha
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"If I Did It", the UK edition.
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Is that like £1 per person unnecessarily dead from covid?
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Less, covid deaths are much higher than that.
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killerwhat posted:Is that like £1 per person unnecessarily dead from covid? Anywhere from 81 to 55p depending on exactly how you count it.
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OwlFancier posted:Less, covid deaths are much higher than that. To be fair the ghoulish accounting should be done on the fully avoidable deaths. But also, jesus christ, that must be deliberately disgusting to try and drum up controversy.
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I'm not sure how you really do "fully avoidable" deaths when there are countries that have avoided almost all deaths.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure how you really do "fully avoidable" deaths when there are countries that have avoided almost all deaths. China managed 4,600 deaths and arguably had the most effective methods for dealing with COVID after it's thoroughly infiltrated a country. The UK is about 20 times smaller so let's say Boris gets 230 Free Deaths.
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Death is one of those things that isn't possible to avoid forever* and some of those people would have probably died of something else if the pandemic hadn't happened given the age of the population, but looking at trends it seems 60-80 thousand of those Covid-19 deaths were avoidable.  And that's just 2020, so there's the massive spike in early 2021 too. *although maybe if Alan Johnson was health secretary during the pandemic we could have got something like this
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To my mind it's a little premature to throw your triumph complete with panegyric while the enemy is still within your borders, massacring your "troops". But perhaps that timidity is why I'll never be a disgraced former health secretary.
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big scary monsters posted:To my mind it's a little premature to throw your triumph complete with panegyric while the enemy is still within your borders, massacring your "troops". But perhaps that timidity is why I'll never be a disgraced former health secretary. Glorious victories moving ever closer to the capital
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Anyone want to open a book on which news item silences the parliamentary grifting scandal? It's looking like it could be any of [COP26 outcome], article 15 and Boris saves Christmas
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure how you really do "fully avoidable" deaths when there are countries that have avoided almost all deaths. Anyone older than average life expectancy is, statistically, already dead. Anyone with grandparents should be aware that on average, no they don't.
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Endjinneer posted:Anyone want to open a book on which news item silences the parliamentary grifting scandal? While winding up the Joint Consultative Working Group between the EU and the UK might ruffle some feathers, it is invoking Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol that would catch more news attention.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm not sure how you really do "fully avoidable" deaths when there are countries that have avoided almost all deaths. If you're being as fair to the Tories as possible and saying that, due to the nature of the UK and its populace, half the COVID deaths would have happened whoever had been in charge, Hancock would be getting roughly £1.50 for every needless death on his watch. Thirty pieces of silver, in other words.
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Endjinneer posted:Anyone want to open a book on which news item silences the parliamentary grifting scandal? My guess would be that they're desperately hoping that the Queen takes one for the team and keels over after the rememberance sunday ceremony. I'm getting the impression that Boris isn't quite ready to pull the pin on article 16, so not expecting that until Christmas is out of the way. Letting Priti Patel off the lead with regard to migrant boats is a possibility, too.
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OwlFancier posted:Queenie dead because you didn't remember hard enough, shame on the left for not clapping. - Gibbo, BBC News (2021).
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For maximum cuntness I expect Boris to call an election right after the queen dies and ride the tory oval office patriotism wave to eternal tory oval office leadership
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:For maximum cuntness I expect Boris to call an election right after the queen dies and ride the tory oval office patriotism wave to eternal tory oval office leadership bbbbuuuuttt - that's "playing politics" so surely the electorate won't buy it? (yeah, right)
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:bbbbuuuuttt - that's "playing politics" so surely the electorate won't buy it? (yeah, right) It's only playing politics if it's left of the Tories hth
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I'm not sure it would work though, generally for a khaki election I think the PM needs to be perceived as responsible for solving the crisis, which if the crisis is the monarchy itself I grant you he has made a spirited attempt at.
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He looks so graceful and refined https://twitter.com/BrexitBuster/status/1459532578877317128
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Bobstar posted:Getting people to invert the way they view tax and government spending is hard, but I think this might be the most significant hump to get over. Of course there are right-lolberts who believe that all taxation is theft, and there are socialists and such, but in between those extremes there's a huge mass of floppy centre-ish people who kind of think that earning/having lots of money is fine, but taxing those rich people to pay for a functioning country is a necessary "evil" (or at least a necessary "thing"). This is probably the majority of people in fact. Interestingly also that taxed money is considered "our money" and the government has to be careful spending it, but all the money we make as workers that's ultimately funneled to billionaires is never viewed as "our money" and they can spend it on whatever the gently caress they want.
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MMT is for reformist dorks, just argue the rich don't deserve their wealth and power and it will be seized by force by and for the working class.
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namesake posted:MMT is for reformist dorks, just argue the rich don't deserve their wealth and power and it will be seized by force by and for the working class. We're as likely to affect real change as you are
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fuctifino posted:He looks so graceful and refined To the Fallen of Men.
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notaspy posted:We're as likely to affect real change as you are Maybe but we're both demanding to hold state power and the political will to rearrange society as we wish and your vision to inspire the masses to support of you and give you that authority is tweaking the tax code. It's dorky and incredibly limited given the tools you'd need to implement it.
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Just fks me off that Johnson is considerably scruffier than Corbyn ever was yet the voters don't care about that but were always banging on about it for Corbyn. Maybe Starmer could quote Cameron back at Johnson at PMQs.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Just fks me off that Johnson is considerably scruffier than Corbyn ever was yet the voters don't care about that but were always banging on about it for Corbyn. When it's time for the voters to care the BBC edit in old footage to make boris look less poo poo.
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It doesn't matter and people don't actually care one way or the other, it's a post hoc justification for the feeling they have about the person. Scruffy or authentic, true to themselves, driven by values not appearance? Well kept, snappy dresser or overpaid, pretentious vain wanker? All depends if you think they're in your corner or not.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Just fks me off that Johnson is considerably scruffier than Corbyn ever was yet the voters don't care about that but were always banging on about it for Corbyn. I mean people think Corbyn is racist, while Boris literally gave Watermelon to a black person for a laugh.
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Well anyone could just give a watermelon to a person, that's not necessarily racist, you snowflakes look far too deeply into everything. Well anyone could just give a watermelon to a person and thump on it like a drum while making ooga booga noises just in case you didn't get that it was intended to be racist, that's not necessarily racist, you snowflakes...
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Just reading the comments on an article in the torygraph. Just full on anti-immigrant, anti-green, anti-'woke'. Johnson is too woke, Sunak is a leftie etc. At least it looks like most of them will be heading for the Reform party and split the far-right vote at the next election (providing Reform don't do a Brexit Party and drop out of standing to allow tories to win). torygraph/2021/11/13/boris-needs-wake-late/ It's such lunacy I don't even feel angry, just laughable (but obviously won't be laughable if their views are widespread).
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