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ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe
Is this the podcast or something else?

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/with-chinese-characteristics/id1531632195

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SerCypher
May 10, 2006

Gay baby jail...? What the hell?

I really don't like the sound of that...
Fun Shoe

Yep, that's it!

BrassRoots
Jan 9, 2012

You can play a shoestring if you're sincere - John Coltrane
Just started listening to the Dee episode. You guys have nice speech cadence. Nice and easy to listen to.

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

SerCypher posted:

Yep, that's it!

Thanks!

I’ll add it to my listening list.

SerCypher
May 10, 2006

Gay baby jail...? What the hell?

I really don't like the sound of that...
Fun Shoe

ninjoatse.cx posted:

Thanks!

I’ll add it to my listening list.

Hopefully you like it!

In other news...

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1459048478944808964

I misread this at first and had to look into it, because I thought he was saying China should do another great leap forward.

Instead he's saying China shouldn't get carried away and do things too fast. So I guess Mao isn't completely sanitized yet...

feizhouxiongdi2
Oct 9, 2019

McGavin posted:

It's just lucky he doesn't have a son.

i mean...i don't know about that. if you don't believe in his propaganda and all the other poo poo that happens but is said to be otherwise...

and he has very lovely views about women

i am just saying i wouldn't be surprised!

feizhouxiongdi2 fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Nov 12, 2021

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
party line on mao remains 70-30 and itll stay that way until everyone who remembers the cultural revolution is dead

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

stephenthinkpad posted:

So this news only came out now in the VOD release. I haven't watched it I only saw the screenshot. in one of the scenes in Shang Chi, the bus driver has a visible red employee badge of "8964". I am surprise nobody spotted it during the theatrical run. I saw it and I knew right away this was the reason Shang Chi didn't get released in China. 8964 was the date of the Tiananmen massacre. Disney you try to clean up CCP's rear end in a top hat yet you let your artist put an Easter egg like that in the movie? Get yourself owned.

https://twitter.com/WHu144/status/1459017323143065605?t=R2M3LaMyVZu5CiNwTSpzKA&s=19

Rinkles fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Nov 12, 2021

Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.

SerCypher posted:

Hopefully you like it!

In other news...

https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1459048478944808964

I misread this at first and had to look into it, because I thought he was saying China should do another great leap forward.

Instead he's saying China shouldn't get carried away and do things too fast. So I guess Mao isn't completely sanitized yet...

I absolutely read it the same way as well

But hasn't the Chinese line been for decades basically been hinting "yeah the Great Leap Forward was a mistake" but not outright saying it? Or am I wrong on that?

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

BrassRoots posted:

Just started listening to the Dee episode. You guys have nice speech cadence. Nice and easy to listen to.

judge dee books are fun. the original book is just book a dutch dude found in old book shop and it made for a good translation. the first book is truncated becaue while the first half is a cool chinese detective story that is pretty clear and easy the to follow. the second half(that was never translated) veers into GRRM teritory with big long court shadow politics and apparently tons of pornography apparently extremely descriptive of the emperesses clit. anyway the translator writes a bunch of spin off books and most are solid. chinese detective fiction is interesting.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Seth Pecksniff posted:

But hasn't the Chinese line been for decades basically been hinting "yeah the Great Leap Forward was a mistake" but not outright saying it? Or am I wrong on that?

No, you're right. If anyone asks, mistakes were made but stop loving talking about it. Also the famine was only a couple million dead at most and 100% because of the weather, definitely NOT the Party's fault.

SerCypher
May 10, 2006

Gay baby jail...? What the hell?

I really don't like the sound of that...
Fun Shoe

Grand Fromage posted:

No, you're right. If anyone asks, mistakes were made but stop loving talking about it. Also the famine was only a couple million dead at most and 100% because of the weather, definitely NOT the Party's fault.

How dare you doubt the veracity of the 'Three Year Natural Disaster Period', which just happened to coincide with the great leap forward.

feizhouxiongdi2
Oct 9, 2019


ok i haven't watched it yet but now just for this i feel like i should show my respect and watch it..

i also saw this today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POqEcUtqxNc and my trained "one china" brain immediately went "wait is buzzfeed going to be canceled now" - but then it was like, you know what, doesn't look like any 小粉红 has noticed (or cared enough to do anything yet) as i see nothing from the comments on first look, so i should just enjoy a video for once without fearing that it brings another boycott or something...

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
its extremely asian-american and not very asian-qua-asian. predicated upon the asian-american gaze. as they should, because something like that was inevitably gonna happen

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001
Is there a way I can pay Disney the fraction of a ticket price for however long this is on-screen?

feizhouxiongdi2
Oct 9, 2019

bob dobbs is dead posted:

its extremely asian-american and not very asian-qua-asian. predicated upon the asian-american gaze. as they should, because something like that was inevitably gonna happen

i can't say about the movie itself, but sensitivity to the word "8964" applies more to more chinese / Mandarin speakers. As i hear the same event being referred to as "tian'an men square" wayyy more than "8964" in English.

I saw this on the side of the freeway to Las Vegas, while only glanced it for 1s, as soon as i recognized it as "64" i was like WHAT HOW THIS IS THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, but then it took me a minute to actually explain to Sercypher who is english speaking that "64" means "tian'an men square" and that i am sure that's what it is and we should stop to take a look. (it was worth it, i would recommend it if you are going on a roadtrip in california and happen to pass by it: https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/63111)

feizhouxiongdi2 fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Nov 12, 2021

feizhouxiongdi2
Oct 9, 2019

feizhouxiongdi2 posted:

http://www.news.cn/politics/2021-09/22/c_1127888608.htm

"Murder mystery Games", "Escape Room", "Immersive Experience Hall"...These places mainly operate games based on case reasoning, which is a social activity liked by many urban youngsters. However, with the increasingly fierce competition in the industry, a small number of businesses have begun to promote violence and supernatural content in game content, scene setting and more, using this as a commercial gimmick to attract young people and arouse public concern."

- by Xinhua

my hot take...next industry that gets banned will be these escape rooms! poisoning our youth!

i hereby declare my victory...staying ahead of the game...one of my hot takes finally came true what

https://twitter.com/henrysgao/status/1459187274491445249

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

bob dobbs is dead posted:

the general insubordination in service to duties thing is also why the commisariate exists. sometimes to yell at peeps about overall objectives of what theyre doing, sometimes to reinforce the insane morale you need for this kind of warfare
There's a lot of intense hype stuff that the commissars / political officers do. Like, speeches (which they rehearse, it's a performance) and song-and-dance performances and battle poetry stuff to psyche the troops up. And some of it will also be that combined with 80s power rock. If you read Mao transcripts held by the Wilson Center, there's one where he's talking to a Vietnamese general during the Vietnam War and advising them to engage in "political work" before battles if they have time for it, and I imagine commissars doing this kind of thing to psychologically prepare them for combat. This is the PLA Rocket Force:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5i1meUSr_g&t=2257s

SerCypher
May 10, 2006

Gay baby jail...? What the hell?

I really don't like the sound of that...
Fun Shoe

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

There's a lot of intense hype stuff that the commissars / political officers do. Like, speeches (which they rehearse, it's a performance) and song-and-dance performances and battle poetry stuff to psyche the troops up. And some of it will also be that combined with 80s power rock. If you read Mao transcripts held by the Wilson Center, there's one where he's talking to a Vietnamese general during the Vietnam War and advising them to engage in "political work" before battles if they have time for it, and I imagine commissars doing this kind of thing to psychologically prepare them for combat. This is the PLA Rocket Force:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5i1meUSr_g&t=2257s

There's a good movie, Youth, about a performing arts company in the PLA in the 70s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_(2017_film)



How they have to do all this stuff celebrating mao while half their parents are in camps during the cultural revolution. Then Mao dies and the army gets 'de-politicized' to a certain degree, and a lot of them no longer know what to do with themselves. It's also covers the Sino-Vietnamese war.

There's a lot going on in it and some mixed themes (and a little rose colored nostalgia of the maoist period) but overall I liked it.

5er
Jun 1, 2000


bob dobbs is dead posted:

its extremely asian-american and not very asian-qua-asian. predicated upon the asian-american gaze. as they should, because something like that was inevitably gonna happen

Asian-qua-Asian any more is trapeze kung-fu with the same stoic Confucian moral playout and payoff tropes as any other movie. All we're doing here is trading one stack of stereotypes for another.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
many things are possible in the mcu but raw cliche-breaking originality is not gonna be one of them

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

SerCypher posted:

There's a good movie, Youth, about a performing arts company in the PLA in the 70s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_(2017_film)



How they have to do all this stuff celebrating mao while half their parents are in camps during the cultural revolution. Then Mao dies and the army gets 'de-politicized' to a certain degree, and a lot of them no longer know what to do with themselves. It's also covers the Sino-Vietnamese war.

There's a lot going on in it and some mixed themes (and a little rose colored nostalgia of the maoist period) but overall I liked it.
That looks interesting. Also on the morale-building stuff in the military, I was watching some Chinese war movies made in the 90s and there's a scene of the Yangtze crossing and there are peasants with instruments performing for the soldiers as they march into the battle. I assumed this is something they actually did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmLsw1nOnhM&t=1622s

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost

TheBuilder posted:

At least the track team offered him some hot water and wished him a good rest.

I lol'd way too much at this.

When I lived there, I was on an intramural basketball team (I'm American ergo I'm a natural, right?). I went up for a rebound and an opposing player basically chop-blocked me and I landed really hard on my side.

When I went to the local doCtoR he offered me some hot water, and essentially a large bandaid with some smelly TCM stuff on it, plus another one for later.

I realize there's not much to do with what we determined was a cracked rib other than limit movement and let it heal, but experiencing chabuduo healthcare with no x-ray or exam of any sort, much like that Polish Olympian, I was lucky it wasn't way more severe.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

Dennis spelled backwards is sinned

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

That looks interesting. Also on the morale-building stuff in the military, I was watching some Chinese war movies made in the 90s and there's a scene of the Yangtze crossing and there are peasants with instruments performing for the soldiers as they march into the battle. I assumed this is something they actually did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmLsw1nOnhM&t=1622s

I'm totally sure a Chinese war movie from the 1990s is absolutely 100% historically accurate just like noted western documentaries like U-571.

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I'm totally sure a Chinese war movie from the 1990s is absolutely 100% historically accurate just like noted western documentaries like U-571.

I was watching "Gone with the Wind" and there are scenes where the slaves were treated as just part of the family and grateful to serve under such benevolent masters. I assumed this something they actually did.

SerCypher
May 10, 2006

Gay baby jail...? What the hell?

I really don't like the sound of that...
Fun Shoe

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I'm totally sure a Chinese war movie from the 1990s is absolutely 100% historically accurate just like noted western documentaries like U-571.

It's not that silly, performing arts units were a huge part of the PLA.

I'm sure there were at least some places on the way to the front where they had set up entertainment companies as people marched past towards battle.

I doubt they were standing right on the other side of the river though...

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Seth Pecksniff
May 27, 2004

can't believe shrek is fucking dead. rip to a real one.
:stare:

That's definitely a blog all right

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

SerCypher posted:

It's not that silly, performing arts units were a huge part of the PLA.

I'm sure there were at least some places on the way to the front where they had set up entertainment companies as people marched past towards battle.

I doubt they were standing right on the other side of the river though...
Here's a term: 文艺轻骑队 or "literary light cavalry." Some of it's also like USO shows but with dedicated military performers.

The only thing I've seen from the U.S. that looks kinda similar is some World War II stuff when there were the "singin' and dancin' armed forces." This movie has both drag shows (soldiers doing it!) and Ronald Reagan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RYHowaXdFY&t=7191s

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Can someone explain he murder mystery thing to me? Like I kinda see why card games might fall under the regulations (gambling I guess) but murder mystery? I don’t get that.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Presumably because it's a mystery, then the state police weren't able to solve it. And if the state police weren't able to solve it, then either they're incompetent or you, the player, are more competent than they are.

And that just won't do, no.

sticksy
May 26, 2004
Nap Ghost

MarcusSA posted:

Can someone explain he murder mystery thing to me? Like I kinda see why card games might fall under the regulations (gambling I guess) but murder mystery? I don’t get that.

Spirits of ancestors are somehow involved maybe.

(I don’t really know either.)

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

People might start getting ideas on how to off their bosses / neighbours / random people on the street who slighted them.

Kevin DuBrow
Apr 21, 2012

The uruk-hai defender has logged on.

MarcusSA posted:

Can someone explain he murder mystery thing to me? Like I kinda see why card games might fall under the regulations (gambling I guess) but murder mystery? I don’t get that.

From what I've read, murder mystery games (aka "script murder") have become absolutely huge among young people in China. There's a perception that young people are highly suggestible and that their minds will be corrupted if exposed to the wrong content. And of course these kinds of events can be seen as a Western export.

quote:

[The Zhuzhou anti-vice commission] visited six businesses where the murder mystery games are played, scruticizing the murder scripts for “harmful” content including obscenity, pornography, violence, cultism, superstition, gambling, and suicidal content.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Replace all the murder with bread, problem solved.

feizhouxiongdi2
Oct 9, 2019

MarcusSA posted:

Can someone explain he murder mystery thing to me? Like I kinda see why card games might fall under the regulations (gambling I guess) but murder mystery? I don’t get that.

because they hate fun

in all seriousness though...some of the reasons include: superstition is bad, violence (same reason for regulating video games) is bad. And the plot line of a murder mystery / escape room will naturally involve all these elements.

Or in other words they just hate fun. And a murder mystery has nothing to do with singing praises for the party so WHATS THE POINT OF ALLOWING IT TO EXIST

feizhouxiongdi2 fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Nov 14, 2021

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

OK fair enough thanks.

I wasn't sure if there was just something I was missing there. Just seems like an odd addition.

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Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.
Gonna guess it's Secret Strippers.

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