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a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Lady Demelza posted:


Not t hat I believe the excuse. Prince Charles looks like he is nearly in tears at the Cenotaph as he stands in for her.

If he's that sad it means he's been told she'll live another 10 years

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josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

Perhaps you're right, but that article seems keen to suggest the divide is largely between wise older terfy lesbians and the woke young idiots that don't even know how journalism works. But I guess they'll be cut adrift when they've served their purpose.

TERFdom was maintained for many years by a losing faction of politically active lesbians from the 80s who all had columns in the guardian, but its sudden swing into the mainstream is sponsored by far-right US fundamentalists and supported by well-to-do upper middle class types.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

EvilHawk posted:

She's 95. Sometimes I sneeze funny and can't move for a day. At her age it could literally kill her.

She was never going to attend but they've been saying for weeks she would still go to it.

Judging by the reaction of the rest of the Royals i'm not sure what the hell is going on.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
https://twitter.com/JoeStephenson96/status/1459818049914212355?s=20

Replace the current Windsor lot with the entire Attitude Era WWF roster tbqh

Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy
Please don't give the government any more encouragement to declare people with broken necks fit for work.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
Camilla legit seems to be crying while singing God Save The Queen but the others all look surprisingly chirpy. Also I *bet* the one voice I can hear booming over the others singing it at football-stadium volume is the DUP bloke.

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



Lungboy posted:


https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1459650263795605515

This seems illegal as gently caress so of course nothing will happen.

Betteridge's law of headlines means that he’ll be ok.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Lungboy posted:


How does a 93? year old with servants to do everything for her sprain her back?


she interferes with garden machinery, like brian may

that's how come he was allowed to make a wally of himself on the roof of her hoose that time

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
JOIN THE DOTS, SHEEPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hehe:

sinky
Feb 22, 2011



Slippery Tilde

Red Oktober posted:

Betteridge's law of headlines means that he’ll be ok.

But the answer in this case is "yes".
It just won't result in anything happening to him.

Meanwhile, a benefits claimant forgets to declare £6 of income and gets sanctioned.

Answers Me
Apr 24, 2012

Lungboy posted:


How does a 93? year old with servants to do everything for her sprain her back?




Rigor mortis can play havoc with your muscles

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Bobstar posted:

MMT has nothing to do with the tax code. It's a framework for understanding that currency-issuing governments aren't constrained by a lack of money, that government spending isn't funded by taxation, that money doesn't "come from" the private sector being all wealth-createy, and that government deficits aren't especially bad, but surpluses are because the government's surplus is the economy's lack of money (by definition).

This applies to any political system, from neoliberalism through to mild jam socialism, so long as it uses government-issued money.

For the last several decades, claiming the opposite of the above has been used by all governments to justify why we can't have nice things. So understanding how it actually works seems quite valuable in convincing people that better things are, in fact, possible.

And on your point about the rich not deserving their wealth, the MMT framing of the purpose of tax is a lot closer to that than the current version, as I mentioned upthread: None of this liberal "well regrettably we must take a (not too big) portion of your wealth to barely fund some shoestring services" - you tax the rich to destroy their money, because it's damaging to society to leave it with them.

But winning that point only moves language from 'can the state spend' to 'should the state spend' which is what actually happens anyway. When theres a financial crisis or a pandemic then the state can spend whatever it likes and only a small powerless group actually worry about raising the funds and yet leftwing spending plans are inherently cast as irresponsible and excessive because funding arguments are just rationalisations for actions that classes want to see happen anyway. The ruling class rules so money is always available for their class needs and nothing is available for threats to their power, the dorky working class argues about propensity to save versus spend and how government spending on services has a great multiplier effect and appeals to credibility of their plans and whatnot and socialists argue for the destruction of the class system by overthrowing the ruling class.

If you actually possess the power to hammer through your particular agenda against the wishes of the rich then you have the power to break their power at the source rather than grant them legitimacy and commit to fighting a long reformist (losing) battle against their power by loving around with currency and taxation rates.

Also im very excited about the Kings Speech this Christmas.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Huh? What does this even mean? Like, we all are to some extent used to hearing views that we don't like. But that's not the same as having to accept hate speech or harassment. Without context or clarification this tweet is utterly pointless.

e: ah, the link to article was in follow up tweet. Why not post the article instead of a tweet, though?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fran-unsworth-tells-bbc-staff-get-used-to-hearing-views-you-dont-like-gz7f07cpk

e2: well, the article is paywalled so now I'm none the wiser.

Nenonen fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Nov 14, 2021

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Failed Imagineer posted:

https://twitter.com/JoeStephenson96/status/1459818049914212355?s=20

Replace the current Windsor lot with the entire Attitude Era WWF roster tbqh

HHH instead of HRH. Prince Andrew keeps his job but is now billed as The Under-18 Taker.

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

namesake posted:

y. The ruling class rules so money is always available for their class needs and nothing is available for threats to their power, the dorky working class argues about propensity to save versus spend and how government spending on services has a great multiplier effect and appeals to credibility of their plans and whatnot and socialists argue for the destruction of the class system by overthrowing the ruling class.



What this analysis ignores is the existence of the middle class, who have both wealth and wages. So what their interests actually _are_ is subject to analysis, debate and even persuasion. Since Thatcher, they mostly side with capital, largely because unearned money is sweeter than money you have to leave the house to get.

But that could change if a government proposed a lever that would make wage levels as much a matter of politics as house prices and tax rates currently are. MMT can offer that, on a scale a minimum wage never could.

Elections are decided by how the middle class votes. And, in the UK at least, an elected government has pretty much unlimited power. Certainly far more room to manoeuvre than a typical dictatorship, which has to spend virtually all of its energy holding on to power instead of changing things.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Guavanaut posted:

Death is one of those things that isn't possible to avoid forever* and some of those people would have probably died of something else if the pandemic hadn't happened given the age of the population, but looking at trends it seems 60-80 thousand of those Covid-19 deaths were avoidable.



And that's just 2020, so there's the massive spike in early 2021 too.

*although maybe if Alan Johnson was health secretary during the pandemic we could have got something like this

Another complication in the math is that there is a larger than zero number of people who died unncessarily soon not of having covid, but of not getting treatment for other illnesses in time because of covid measures (eg. not able to go to cancer screening) or of depression and lack of activity caused by lockdowns and quarantines. How do you count them? Some of them might have survived longer if there were less anti-covid measures, but then more people would have died directly by covid-19.

Another thing to consider is that comparing covid deaths between eg. China and Britain is not that straightforward, first you get different reporting standards and secondly Britain's population is relatively elder than China's. Meanwhile Italy has the eldest population in all of Europe and unsurprisingly they also had the worst epidemic anywhere.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Jedit posted:

Prince Andrew keeps his job but is now billed as The Under-18 Taker.

:vince:

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



Jedit posted:

HHH instead of HRH. Prince Andrew keeps his job but is now billed as The Under-18 Taker.

:golfclap:

This wasn't what I was expecting on a Sunday afternoon.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Failed Imagineer posted:

Replace the current Windsor lot with the entire Attitude Era WWF roster tbqh

Practically speaking, what changes between the current setup and the Corporate Ministry?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Nenonen posted:

Some of them might have survived longer if there were less anti-covid measures, but then more people would have died directly by covid-19.
That assumes that the spectrum is between what we did and somehow even less than what we did.

Elsewhere in the world has shown that two week targeted actual lockdowns did more good than 18 month long "work from home if you can unless you don't want to then don't" lockdowns, and presumably that would have less of a drawn out impact on people's access to cancer services or contact with family.

There's also things like contact tracing (whether by advanced app or hi viz and clipboard) thermal imagers at ports (good for islands and other places without large porous land borders) actually controlling the borders (this means disrupting business meetings rather than waving your fist at dinghies) and all sorts of other things that are anti-covid measures that don't necessarily de-prioritize other medical issues, all of which were completely ignored in the early stages of the pandemic (we didn't know fully whether masks and improved public ventilation would work until a few months in, but a randomly selected bunch of 17th century plague doctors and miasma theorists would have made a better guess than the government).

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Jedit posted:

HHH instead of HRH. Prince Andrew keeps his job but is now billed as The Under-18 Taker.

lol gently caress

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

Practically speaking, what changes between the current setup and the Corporate Ministry?

I think the wwf could cut a better promo than the queen.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug
He ded

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Gibbo's cover has been blown

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back
that royal correspondant bloke is having a black-tie stranglewank about now, getting himself ready

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Had a dream last night the Queen was dead. My dreams don't even normally feature the queen at all. Must mean something.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

CGI Stardust posted:

that royal correspondant bloke is having a black-tie stranglewank about now, getting himself ready

Nicholas Witchell is being slapped sober right about now.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

therattle posted:

I think if Murdoch made a suggestion to me while “dandling” my child on his knee I’d take it as a blood-chilling threat.

It's Johnson. He has spares.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

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"This is what Princess Diana said we are all waiting for" is some primo Brit-anon, right?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Are Di has been communicating with the Daily Express via tea leaf enemas since JFK Jr. was still alive.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

If the Queen is dead, how long is the current paper money valid for?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Just Another Lurker posted:

If the Queen is dead, how long is the current paper money valid for?

It never has been valid, let me send you some extremely informative 15 hour Youtube videos on it.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Just Another Lurker posted:

If the Queen is dead, how long is the current paper money valid for?
At least one thing is sure: all mail on its way will be returned to sender to replace stamps with ones bearing the resemblance of king Charles.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

It never has been valid, let me send you some extremely informative 15 hour Youtube videos on it.
*5 suggestions later*

We regret to inform you that the algorithm thinks you're racist.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

radmonger posted:

Since Thatcher, they mostly side with capital, largely because unearned money is sweeter than money you have to leave the house to get.
Which is why there's an astonishing hypocrisy in the upper middle classes, talking about passive income streams and making your money work for you with things like landlording, and equally wanting the poor to be murdered for being lazy shiftless layabouts who expect other hard working to pay their way.


josh04 posted:

"This is what Princess Diana said we are all waiting for" is some primo Brit-anon, right?
Kew anon, surely?

E: queue anon possibly, as them british people love queues am i right guuuys

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

*5 suggestions later*

We regret to inform you that the algorithm thinks you're racist.

It takes less than five clicks to get from "Only metal is real money" to racism. In most cases it's literally zero clicks because stupendous antisemitism is baked right into goldbug arguments, and of course they never stop at just the one racist conspiracy theory - the only way it'll take a whole five suggested videos to get you into caliper-land is if it takes you on a detour through cryptocurrency weirdos first (although then The Machine thinking you're a racist is the least of your problems).

BOOTY-ADE
Aug 30, 2006

BIG KOOL TELLIN' Y'ALL TO KEEP IT TIGHT

Jedit posted:

HHH instead of HRH. Prince Andrew keeps his job but is now billed as The Under-18 Taker.

With his manager, Moe Lester

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

goddamnedtwisto posted:

It takes less than five clicks to get from "Only metal is real money" to racism. In most cases it's literally zero clicks because stupendous antisemitism is baked right into goldbug arguments, and of course they never stop at just the one racist conspiracy theory - the only way it'll take a whole five suggested videos to get you into caliper-land is if it takes you on a detour through cryptocurrency weirdos first (although then The Machine thinking you're a racist is the least of your problems).

Decided to test this out with an incognito window and a search for "gold standard" on youtube and 5 "next videos" from the top result got me somewhere even scarier - unedited panel discussions from the World Economic Forum. Google is radicalising people into becoming briefcase Davos weirdos.

Also how the *gently caress* do people browse YT without an adblocker?

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