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Uncle Boogeyman posted:for years I've been hearing that Quantum of Solace was a disaster, one of the worst Bond movies, but I finally saw it like a week ago (the last of the EON Bond movies I hadn't seen) and I liked it better than Spectre or No Time to Die. I mean it still wasn't great, the action was terrible and it was way too desperate to be a Bourne movie, but at least it was under two hours and had a decent villain and something approximating actual spycraft. Spectre and No Time to Die are terrible so yeah it's better than them.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Spectre and No Time to Die are terrible so yeah it's better than them. No argument here. I owe Skyfall a rewatch probably but i think Casino Royale was pretty much the only good Craig Bond. I'm also surprised people liked No Time to Die more than Spectre, Spectre at least had a good opening scene.
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Nov 12, 2021 17:23
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A generic white guy billionaire privatizing the water supply is a believable and realistic villain, that's for sure.
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Nov 12, 2021 17:24
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:A generic white guy billionaire privatizing the water supply is a believable and realistic villain, that's for sure. I don't watch Bond films for believable and realistic villains. If I wanted that, I could just watch The News.
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Nov 12, 2021 17:27
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The fantastic part is watching them get murdered.
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Nov 12, 2021 18:02
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QoS is only bad on the editing front. The film itself is decent. I like the low stakes story and I especially love Camille and her relationship with bond. But gently caress the action and editing are so bad I can’t get over that. It’s near unwatchable for me.
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Nov 12, 2021 18:43
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:A generic white guy billionaire privatizing the water supply is a believable and realistic villain, that's for sure. The depressing thing is that the movie villian is just copycating something that actually did happen in the real world Bolivia.
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Nov 12, 2021 18:51
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I’m not the first person to say this but the outlandish thing in Quantum of Solace isn’t the bad guy’s plot, it’s the idea that MI6 would be opposed to it.
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Nov 12, 2021 19:19
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I’m not the first person to say this but the outlandish thing in Quantum of Solace isn’t the bad guy’s plot, it’s the idea that MI6 would be opposed to it. James Bond does not have the emotional intelligence to be a part of MI6 in real life, I've been repeatedly told by MI6!
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Nov 12, 2021 19:55
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:No argument here. I owe Skyfall a rewatch probably but i think Casino Royale was pretty much the only good Craig Bond. No Time to Die has a much better score and looks better. They're about what and what in actual films but the last one has aesthetic advantages.
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Nov 12, 2021 22:05
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I just saw No Time To Die in a theater yesterday and holy poo poo what a load of boring tripe that was. The action was completely unengaging, the loving checklist romance/fambily subplot was just following a checklist complete with a heroic dadcrifice. I literally almost fell asleep during the last half-hour it was so formulaic and unoriginal. The last bond movie I've seen before that was Casino Royale, which managed to actually be an okayish bond movie unlike this one. Are all others since as poo poo as the new one?
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Nov 13, 2021 15:18
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I enjoyed skyfall a bunch, but yeah the Craig one's tend to go south and have their heads firmly lodged up their rear end anytime they try to be serious. They have their moments, but they try to be serious and dramatic in a series where the movies were goofy as hell, and the books were a travelog with some spy stuff done terribly by an extreme alcoholic that's only good at killing(who gets dumped and/or crowned on by drat near every woman he is with/tries to be with). They didn't really have the writing chops to pull off that tonal shift.
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Nov 13, 2021 15:31
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:edit: I'm also currently reading my first Bond novel, Moonraker. It's fun as hell, Bond is such an rear end. It's a good one. I love how M is just really blatantly taking advantage of Bond's skills to get a cheater out of his club. A lot of people claim that Fleming based Bond on himself, but he actually puts Drax in one of his suits specifically to compliment it.
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Nov 13, 2021 17:13
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One of my favourite bits from the Moonraker novel is that Bond doesn't get to sleep with the girl because she's married
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Nov 13, 2021 18:09
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The Guardian did an interview with Purvis and Wade, who've written every Bond movie since The World Is Not Enough, and despite the odd bit of self-deprecation along the lines of "We wrote Skyfall! And also Die Another Day", they do rather come across as being up their own arses. (The journo describes one of them as looking like he's just stepped off his yacht, and there's also mention of the smell of expensive aftershave filling the air. As a former journo myself, details like that are meant as mockery.) I wouldn't say I've come away from any Purvis and Wade Bond feeling fully satisfied with what I'd just watched, and in most cases was actively disappointed. Yet somehow they kept being brought back, even after Die Another Day and Quantum. 
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Jack Trades posted:I just saw No Time To Die in a theater yesterday and holy poo poo what a load of boring tripe that was. Casino Royale is hands down the best of the Craig Bonds. Skyfall is the only other one that I could see anyone calling good though I think the last act is weak.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Casino Royale is hands down the best of the Craig Bonds. Skyfall is the only other one that I could see anyone calling good though I think the last act is weak. Skyfall goes to pieces once Silva breaks out of MI6 custody. It's also a horrifically misogynistic movie.
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Timby posted:Skyfall goes to pieces once Silva breaks out of MI6 custody.
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Payndz posted:I was thinking about this just today. His entire plan hinges on being captured at an exact time by one particular person who his goons have been trying to kill, held in an exact cell that has no failsafe lock on the door, Q accessing his laptop at an exact moment, a Tube train passing at a precise second and M being called to testify in a classified hearing which he somehow knows the location of at an exact time, all of these potential points of failure determined days in advance. It's bullshit, and from then on the movie throws up its hands and goes "Yeah, you got me, so let's switch genres so you forget." Skyfall is such a massively overrated film, and yet it's on the list of highest grossers of all time. Go figure. It's obviously not what the writers intended especially given the later movies but one could make an argument that Q was a double agent working for Silva. He'd be able to give the layout & protocol of sewer-MI6, ensure the virus goes into the laptop and just the right moment... even the gadgets he gives Bond ensures Bond won't get killed by goons and can get picked up when he needs to. It's really the only way everything could line up like that.
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It’s not hard to understand why skyfall worked box office wise. It was big, it was the 50th anniversary of Bond, and it didn’t really require you to see anything else. It’s also went back to bond formula with it. Hence the misogyny. Not the best part of the movie, mostly because it doesn’t really go with Craig’s character but whatever. Idk I think it’s a blast
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Nov 14, 2021 01:35
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I don't really mind the way skyfall has silva do the omnipotent genius whose plan works despite requiring events to unfold exactly as intended thing. Take the bomb -> subway train trap: it has a good one liner and a throwback jab about overlooking something as simple as a radio, that's enough for me to enjoy it and suspend disbelief.
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People like to talk smack about the Craig movies but hands down I’d watch any of them before revisiting almost any of the older films, and I say this as a super fan that’s seen every single one many times. It’s hard to go back to “formula” Bond after the leap in quality of the Craig era, for me. I appreciate what it brought to the franchise and what they did with it.
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In honor of the insane screen draft podcast, I think it's time the thread ranks the Bond films... I'll be presenting my list (the correct rankings) tomorrow, of all 26 bond films.
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Rarity posted:Saw it last night, thought it was a very fun action flick that you shouldn't really think too much about or else the plot falls apart completely. Specifc thoughts: This is the thing I noticed. Obviously chuds lost their tiny minds over a black woman being 007, but if you take note of what she does in the movie, she's...not great at her job and James Bond is clearly superior, which is probably not what the movie was going for and something racist dipshits might actually like. Like, she clearly cares about the 007 designation and her needling of Bond about it when he clearly doesn't give a poo poo, her being more concerned about what his number is when he gets reinstated than about the mission, the fact she gives him 007 number back before the climax. And she doesn't get a new number. And she doesn't really achieve anything in the movie apart from some mook kills. When she first meets Bond she says not to gently caress with her or she'll kneecap him then he fucks with her, gets away with the target and she does nothing about it. She gets snippy when they meet in London, going on about being 007 and thinking it bothers Bond when clearly she is the one bothered by it and then she gets told to wait outside while the two older white dudes talk, one of whom doesn't work there anymore! Then she has to be told by Bond about Logan Ash, is tasked with finding him, and fails to get to him in time. She doesn't gently caress up in the climax, but she also doesn't really achieve anything. There is a reading of this film that isn't progressive, it's saying this black woman isn't as good as Bond and even she knows it. loving weird. Ana De Armas was fun though, more of her. Even she shows up new 007, by crashing into the scaffolding to help Bond get crazy Russian guy. She might come across better than Nomi because maybe it's because getting to play a bit nervous and very competent, is better than playing humourless and competent. There's some life there. Her forgetting the greeting code phrase with Bond was great, showed some personality. But I guess racists are so insecure a black woman existing is more than enough to get them all riled up. And chuds have really hosed up thought processes. I saw one who complained about Bond bowing and begging before the bad guy which is very strange because that is just a ruse that is paid off within 10 seconds. They're so insecure in themselves, pathetic. Overall the movie was in the middle of Bond films for me, not great, not terrible. Falls down with a whatever villain. And the movies emotional weight rested on Bond/Madeline and while Seydoux is a good actress, there is nothing there between her and Craig, so for me it didn't work. And it didn't help that they reminded me of Vesper at the start, the Craig films have been chasing that Eva Green dragon for 15 years now, they got it perfectly right with her and Craig, but Vesper's long dead and nothing they've tried since can even come close.
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That Ana part did rock. Especially after a fairly serious somber beginning, a tuxedo closet innuendo zone was like we stepped into another dimension. A good one I'd say. Anyhoo, saw this last night, pretty solid decent fun, not bad, kinda cool. Tough to rate something that I find just pretty ok. When Casino Royale hit, that was one of the coolest movies ever, plus I was 20, clearly prime time to be blown away by that. Not to say I've lost interest or whatever, but there is just not as much of a connection by far in this movie for me. It has its moments, but it feels kind of detached and cold a little, like it's going through the motions a bit. But not entirely, some bits do land at least fairly well, and I really did care about Lea's character and that romance and whatnot. Pretty epic vintage Hollywood vibe to that, and she just knocked it out of the park. Some of the action was cool, a few very stylish standout moments. Overall with Bond taking cover and firing a machine gun tactically like a Tom Clancy character, just not quite as flashy as movie Bond could be in my imagined version. I feel when it's so heightened, you might as well go for it all the time, not just in the crazy set pieces. But overall some solid action adventure. The dialogue is probably the weak spot for me overall. There are a lot of movies that have this style, where people talk in very short sentences, and always call back to and rhyme with things people said earlier. It just doesn't feel like there are a lot of really in the moment conversations, that really connect with me. So you're sort of taking it all in from a distance I guess is the vibe. Directing is a factor too, though I enjoyed the style at times, and of course True Detective did rule hard. I like what they went for with the overall character story direction for Bond, and the ending was fairly well done I feel. And for sure, people weren't kidding, tons of fun for Hideo Kojima fans watching this. Just Hideo all over the place. They should've let him be in the writer's room. Even a memorable ladder scene! Thumbs somewhere in an upward direction. LionArcher posted:In honor of the insane screen draft podcast, I think it's time the thread ranks the Bond films... Right on, good luck. I've still got three or so to watch. I'm not a bad enough dude to rank it all, I'd also want to have rewatched them. But I will say GoldenEye is too good, and Spy Who Loved Me is highly artisanal and quality grade filmmaking. Goldfinger, it's the shiznit. How about a 007 vs Lupin the Third ranking. Island of Assasins aka Walther P38 would go down pretty smooth for Bond fans in here I'd say. And everybody needs to see Castle of Cagliostro. Lupin has even more movies than Bond (counting TV movies), pretty prolific son of a gun. Oh yeah, one more thing about No Time to Die. That one-liner moment, the mind-blowing one.. It is too good. I know various trends and styles are cyclical, but genuinely, we can clearly have over-the-top one-liners in a serious film. It is just right, and time has shown it's an art form that will never die. Similarly, in stuff like Halloween (2018), the one-liner at the end Happy Halloween, Michael, it just knocks my socks off. I think much like the dark time when the Ninja Turtles would not say "cowabunga" in their cartoons, history will come to show that some things were indeed just always good. The one-liner is one of them. It is the very lifeblood of the universe. In Cosmos, Carl Sagan said we're all made of "star stuff". I think the truly star stuff, is a well delivered one-liner in a movie. But I digress. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Nov 14, 2021 |
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Oh yeah, the Cuba Party bit is the only part of the movie that I enjoyed. Bond even had some visible chemistry with his temporary sidekick, which you cannot say about his half-baked love interest.
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I just saw it Fixed a lot of my issues with Craig era bond, had enough camp in it for my liking I felt like was being dragged down by having a connection to to previous film and having to clean but all up before getting started proper Like you could write down all the story beats, and rearrange them into a shorter punchier film by making it standalone Cuba was amazing The romance didn't feel off to me, and it's not unprecedented in bond films to have a genuine love interest. Some odd pacing that editing and direction did their best to hide Tell you what though could not tell you Lynch's character's name off the top of my head What was safin's plan exactly? To engineer a virus and sell(?) it to people? It's just very unclear and didn't help his character I felt like I missed a monologue At times it did feel a bit like a Saturday morning cartoon, Bond and the sexually and racially diverse team save the planet.And given the ability for the super weapon to target racial and ethnic backgrounds it felt weird that there was just on "I could kill your race" line from the comic relief. I almost wish Safin had been an explicit race supremacy dude if only to give more weight to his character And I will absolutely take that over the general vibe of dudes rock in the early bond films, they are rough as hell at times, just had a very power rangers vibe at times There is also a weird masculine reading of this film, bond being out of commission for a while, has a whirlwind one night stand with a foreign lady and regains his confidence to become bond again, not bad just a weird line you can draw I watched through all the bond films during lockdown this year, No time to die is better than most I don't think there will be a continuation, I think period-era bond is next imho high tech bond doesn't work as well as analog bond and you can only lampshade that so far
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If I ever become rich, I'm going to commission a fan adaptation of the original The Spy Who Loved Me novel.
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chitoryu12 posted:If I ever become rich, I'm going to commission a fan adaptation of the original The Spy Who Loved Me novel. Which was the one with a really bizarre final confrontation involving a steam locomotive where IIRC Bond makes a one in a trillion shot for the win?
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I watched a bit of For Your Eyes Only yesterday, and I laughed way too hard at Blofeld pleading with Bond for his life before he drops him from the helicopter. “We can do a deal! I’ll buy you a delicatessen!”
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"In stainless steel!"
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man nurse posted:People like to talk smack about the Craig movies but hands down I’d watch any of them before revisiting almost any of the older films, and I say this as a super fan that’s seen every single one many times. It’s hard to go back to “formula” Bond after the leap in quality of the Craig era, for me. I appreciate what it brought to the franchise and what they did with it. Timothy Dalton is looking at you.
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When the villain started monologuing I really thought he was going to reveal that he'd use the nanobots to deliver the mind control plant to everyone, what with the focus on it earlier and how he loves plants and stuff. But it turns out he just wanted to kill everyone. I enjoyed Casino Royale the most out of Craig's run but this one was definitely better than the other sequels, if maybe a bit too long. Skyfall really was very pretty, though.
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Darko posted:Timothy Dalton is looking at you. He’s my favorite Bond after Craig!
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FoolyCharged posted:I think that was the man with the golden gun? Diamonds are Forever. Bond snipes the villain on a passing train with one headshot from a .25 with the sights filed off.
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Derp. You're right, golden gun was the one where bond actually sprung a trap on someone instead of the other way around for once.
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