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You’ll know you’re past 2.0 if you know where the “SUCH DEVASTATION” line comes from.
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Think of the patch quests as an epilogue to the main story. ARR into Heavensward is the hardest because narratively they've spent a lot of time pointing you at Ishgard and most players are itching to go there and try out new jobs and such, but there's still good stuff in that transition. Also the pacing's a bit odd compared to later expansions (where they settled on wrapping the expansion up by X.3, then X.4 and 5 are lead-in top the next one) so it can feel really slow at parts. They've tried to trim that, but the slow parts still have story so they've been loathe to cut too much. The Crystal Tower raid series is required to progress but the wall is put in awkwardly (it was added later), telling you to do the whole thing interrupting the plot. It's better to pace things out, do some of the raid when you get tired of MSQ, maybe a couple of hardmode dungeons (a whole bunch of them get unlocked) or Hildibrand even though those aren't mandatory. Don't try to blitz it, is what I'm saying.
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Nov 14, 2021 18:04
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Looking back I cant believe I actually slogged my way through the entire ARR and patches. I guess I was between jobs is why
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Nov 14, 2021 20:11
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Crystal Tower also is a nice way to wash your mouth out doing some of the relatively tedious post-ARR content.
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Nov 14, 2021 20:12
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Ok. I'll get off my rear end and join a free company soon. I decided to take a break from the MSQ so I decided to level a Samurai. Is levelling supposed to be this hard? The side quests I left behind give give 20-30k and I need millions.
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Nov 15, 2021 01:35
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Travic posted:Ok. I'll get off my rear end and join a free company soon. Don't level secondary classes through yellow quests, level through dungeons (particularly daily roulettes)/Palace of the Dead
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Nov 15, 2021 01:44
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Travic posted:Ok. I'll get off my rear end and join a free company soon. Side quest are bad for leveling. You want to run dungeons, PVP or floors 51-60 ofPotD for leveling.
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Nov 15, 2021 01:44
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Ah ok. Thank you. I was getting worried.
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Nov 15, 2021 01:49
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Also do your daily roulettes, Learning DR especially.
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Nov 15, 2021 01:59
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I was also hoping I could turn in my 400,000 XP MSQ quests on an alt, but apparently the developers already though of that. Whoops. Whoa! I did an MSQ roulette and got a few million XP. Nice. Travic fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Nov 15, 2021 02:02
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Yeah, the MSQ roulette gives you a ton of XP to make up for the fact you have to run through one of the last two 2.0 dungeons again.
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Nov 15, 2021 02:28
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Travic posted:I was also hoping I could turn in my 400,000 XP MSQ quests on an alt, but apparently the developers already though of that. Whoops. Basically consider doing your roulettes, maybe do fates while you are queuing, and then pick the highest lvl dungeon you can after that if you still feel like levelling more that day
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Nov 15, 2021 02:35
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Outside of later expansion zones sidequests don't scale to level so they're a very minor amount of exp. This might change with 6.0.
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Nov 15, 2021 03:35
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Travic posted:I was also hoping I could turn in my 400,000 XP MSQ quests on an alt, but apparently the developers already though of that. Whoops. Yeah the roulettes are really good xp. I’m the Alliance raid ones (24 players) are fun and also give tomestones and are like pub crawls with a bunch of strangers. Roulettes are where it’s at for leveling alt jobs for me - I find PoTD and such really boring.
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Nov 15, 2021 03:41
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Took a few dozen Coil of Bahamut Part 2 runs, but I finally got enough tomestones for the jacket.    So at this point, I've got about 5 days left of the free 30 days from buying the Complete Edition, and... I don't know if I'm going to buy time for the game just yet. I've not really played any other games since getting into FFXIV, and I want to break away from it for a while. I probably jumped the gun a bit, because I wanted to register my key and start on the full version before Endswalker came out so I could jump on the bandwagon with everyone else (granted, that was before it got delayed). However I still haven't made it into Heavensward yet, so could have probably stuck with the trial version for longer (although the other reason I registered the key is because I hit the gil cap, and I was running out of inventory space). I think even if I focused on just the MSQ, it'd still take me until next year before I got to the point where I could actually start Endswalker.
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Nov 15, 2021 04:07
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Also level 50+ beast tribe quests give reasonable (though hardly great, except the Lvl 80 one) XP... and are pretty good to do while quequing.
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Nov 15, 2021 04:07
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The daily Frontlines is also big XP. And you get it for the class you queue as, even if you switch to something else as soon as you arrive in the duty.
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Nov 15, 2021 13:17
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Ok I'll keep at it. Thanks.
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Nov 15, 2021 16:00
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how do it put this 1 materia i have into my sword, it dont understand it. it seems like it would fit and yet
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Nov 15, 2021 18:17
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Vikar Jerome posted:how do it put this 1 materia i have into my sword, it dont understand it. it seems like it would fit and yet You either have to have the crafter for that type of weapon (I.E. carpenter for dragoon spears and bard bows) leveled up to the same range as the weapon you want to meld materia onto, or you have to find a Meld NPC (usually near the market board) to pay for it. For self-melding, you also have to do a brief quest in Ul’dah when you first hit… 20 or 30 with a crafter class.
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Nov 15, 2021 18:39
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Regalingualius posted:You either have to have the crafter for that type of weapon (I.E. carpenter for dragoon spears and bard bows) leveled up to the same range as the weapon you want to meld materia onto, or you have to find a Meld NPC (usually near the market board) to pay for it. You absolutely do not need to have a relevent crafter job to meld different gear types, just one leveled enough to unlock self-melding. I was throwing materia into my WHM gear long before I even bothered unlocking weaver and goldsmith. And I still have weaver at lvl 1.
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Nov 15, 2021 19:24
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I'm getting burned out on this. There is just too much damned story content. It doesn't matter whether I like it or not, there's just so much and it's a ridiculous time commitment even when you try to break it up into smaller chunks. Like seriously this is absurd. A lot of it seems to be pointless nonsense like zoning out to speak to someone and then running back across the zone to speak to someone else. Go to this building in Ishgard...now go back to where the original character was...then back again. I already endured ARR for fucks sake, enough already. For an MMO that respects the time of its player in so many others ways, this really stands out in stark contrast. I'm in this weird stage of progression where I'm post-HW but still can't progress my character until I finish multiple patches of story "content" in the 3.x range and it really sucks to be blunt. I have jobs in the mid 60s stuck on hold until I reach some arbitrary story point again. I wonder if they could hit 70+ before I get there, I guess anything is possible while I push this boulder uphill forever. Maybe I should just buy a skip or something because I'm now feeling so annoyed that I'm not in a good frame of mind to enjoy the "story", all 600 hours of it. I enjoy playing the game more than I enjoy staring at cutscenes and doing filler so perhaps I'm the ideal candidate for skips.
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Nov 15, 2021 19:39
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oh my god, shout out to the player during this optional duty dungeon i thought id try while the food cooks, casually and friendly letting me know that me tanking moving around is causing dps problems and that the limit break is shared  im level 48 and did not know this lmao.ive been spamming attacks anad moving around targets for dramatic fight RP reasons and using up the limit break soon as it hit. had no idea.  they were a good sport tho, i think if this was anywhere else i'd get shat on or something
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Nov 15, 2021 20:07
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The Gunslinger posted:I'm getting burned out on this. There is just too much damned story content. It doesn't matter whether I like it or not, there's just so much and it's a ridiculous time commitment even when you try to break it up into smaller chunks. Like seriously this is absurd. A lot of it seems to be pointless nonsense like zoning out to speak to someone and then running back across the zone to speak to someone else. Go to this building in Ishgard...now go back to where the original character was...then back again. I already endured ARR for fucks sake, enough already. For an MMO that respects the time of its player in so many others ways, this really stands out in stark contrast. sakaguchi got through all it in a month. you can do it.
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Nov 15, 2021 20:13
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The Gunslinger posted:I'm getting burned out on this. There is just too much damned story content. It doesn't matter whether I like it or not, there's just so much and it's a ridiculous time commitment even when you try to break it up into smaller chunks. Like seriously this is absurd. A lot of it seems to be pointless nonsense like zoning out to speak to someone and then running back across the zone to speak to someone else. Go to this building in Ishgard...now go back to where the original character was...then back again. I already endured ARR for fucks sake, enough already. For an MMO that respects the time of its player in so many others ways, this really stands out in stark contrast. At the end of the day, that is and always will be the majority of the game. The 3.x story content is also regarded to be among the best, only surpassed by Shadowbringers, so if that's not doing for you, it might be the wrong game for you. Even if you do a skip, you have a lot to go through.
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Nov 15, 2021 20:16
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The 3.X patch MSQs also do a substantial amount of table setting for both Stormblood and Shadowbringers itself.
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Nov 15, 2021 20:19
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The Gunslinger posted:Maybe I should just buy a skip or something because I'm now feeling so annoyed that I'm not in a good frame of mind to enjoy the "story", all 600 hours of it. I enjoy playing the game more than I enjoy staring at cutscenes and doing filler so perhaps I'm the ideal candidate for skips. While I wouldn't recommend skipping the post-HW content as that's the real conclusion to Heavensward's plotline and some long-term setup for Shadowbringers, which you can't skip yet (skips only take you to the start of the most current expac's content and level range), if you're genuinely enjoying the rest of the game that isn't the MSQ, then uh. Welp, you do you I guess. In terms of actual quality I would rank the Dragonsong War arc (3.1-3.3) higher than Heavensward proper so if you're getting burned out there then there's not a lot I can say. When people say "the game might not be for you" it sounds dismissive but they actually mean the game might not be built on a design philosophy that caters to your tastes. If you like the rest of the game enough that you're enjoying it in spite of that, that's an entirely legitimate way to play. But before actually going forward with buying a skip, some notes: As far as character progression goes, Job Classes don't really get anything from doing 62-68 Job Quests, you do get a new ability at 70 but that's it. They regret gating so many abilities behind quest content because it makes reworking a job that much harder, especially in the HW level range. So you can just keep going with those classes and, heck, just move on into the 70's. They'll get their Shadowbringers capstone at 80 too. I know a guy who got multiple classes to 80 before getting to Idyllshire; he stalled out on story but kept running daily roulettes for like a month. He doesn't really mind it since, well, all content is level sync'ed if you're running it normally anyway. The Job Quests you can't access yet are all just about getting new story content for that job class rather than new abilities except for the Stormblood capstone. And if you're looking for duties to unlock, while you're in the post-HW content you could go ahead and unlock the Alexander normal raid series, the Sky Pirate alliance raid series, and the Warring Triad trial series. There's actually a wealth of content you can do right now that doesn't require a skip to access. All told I would recommend taking a breather and not feeling that you're being held back by MSQ gating. The content you can't access yet will always be there and thanks to roulettes will always be relevant and populated, so there's no real rush unless you're specifically trying not to be spoiled by people talking about Endwalker come Dec. 3, but that again is a concern for story engagement reasons rather than gameplay. People aren't joking when they say the story is the game. unrelated: Vikar Jerome posted:oh my god, shout out to the player during this optional duty dungeon i thought id try while the food cooks, casually and friendly letting me know that me tanking moving around is causing dps problems and that the limit break is shared lmfao good on that guy
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Nov 15, 2021 20:23
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Xarbala posted:When people say "the game might not be for you" it sounds dismissive but they actually mean the game might not be built on a design philosophy that caters to your tastes. If you like the rest of the game enough that you're enjoying it in spite of that, that's an entirely legitimate way to play. Yeah, I'm not trying to be dismissive or anything. XIV is a hundreds of hours long single player RPG first, MMO second. Every expansion is another 100 hours of running around talking to people, with a spattering of dungeons and group content. Every patch beyond is another few hours worth of MSQ, with whatever dungeon or raid comes along with it. If the raid and group content is that enticing, by all means get a skip. It'll get you in front of Shadowbringers, which you'll still have to get through before you can really unlock anything new. And structurally, it's more of the same. Run, talk, watch. Some people won't like that, and that's fine. The raid content is great stuff, but the game puts it's story first.
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Nov 15, 2021 20:31
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Vikar Jerome posted:oh my god, shout out to the player during this optional duty dungeon i thought id try while the food cooks, casually and friendly letting me know that me tanking moving around is causing dps problems and that the limit break is shared Yep, pull and plant if you're tanking. Ranged physical are the only archetype not screwed by a tank going full acrobatics or stutter pulling. Limit break is melee dps only, final boss at ~10% only, except in special circumstances
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Nov 15, 2021 20:35
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You can also use it as ranged/magical DPS on big packs for a pretty hefy chunk of dps.
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Nov 15, 2021 20:39
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Grimoire posted:Yep, pull and plant if you're tanking. Ranged physical are the only archetype not screwed by a tank going full acrobatics or stutter pulling. Limit break is melee dps only, final boss at ~10% only, except in special circumstances Casters and ranged doing limit breaks in dungeon is fine (and better) than a simple melee limit break on a boss. 2 mobs breaks even, anything more is a dps gain. And if the pull was a decent size, it's far more dangerous than bosses are. Other than that it really depends. I see a lot more value out of healer lb3s in pug content than melee lb3s. Tank LB, yeah, is super niche.
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Nov 15, 2021 20:40
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Melee LB is good for most trial/raid bosses but you should let the ranged dps LB any big megapulls since no boss in a dungeon is going to threaten a wipe with pure damage the way a wall to wall pull might. If there's an add phase in a trial fight with multiple very strong adds in a tight dps check enrage, though, you want to let the ranged dps LB them since it's probably better than meleeing the boss.
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Nov 15, 2021 20:45
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I can’t express to someone enough that if you buy a skip to “get to the good stuff” you’d might as well not play the game. This is very story centered and if the ARR slog (and yes a lot of it is just a terrible slog I will never deny it, but it has massive payout) is enough to through you off so much you don’t even want to do it. Please go do something else. All a level skip will give you is a confusing mess of events with a class you don’t know how to play and a combat progression you haven’t learned piecemeal. It’s a terrible idea and you should absolutely not but a skip. I implore you.
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Nov 15, 2021 22:01
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There's a use case for someone who is solely interested in endgame raiding. Anyone with basic MMO experience could probably start from level 50 or 60 with most jobs and be fine, and a level 80 kit isn't usually that much more complex. But yeah, if you're at all interested in the story skipping ahead like that would probably just end up being unsatisfying.
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Nov 15, 2021 22:12
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i took like a year long break between ARR and the expansions and would pretty much recommend that unreservedly
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Nov 15, 2021 22:25
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The Gunslinger posted:I'm getting burned out on this. There is just too much damned story content. It doesn't matter whether I like it or not, there's just so much and it's a ridiculous time commitment even when you try to break it up into smaller chunks. Like seriously this is absurd. A lot of it seems to be pointless nonsense like zoning out to speak to someone and then running back across the zone to speak to someone else. Go to this building in Ishgard...now go back to where the original character was...then back again. I already endured ARR for fucks sake, enough already. For an MMO that respects the time of its player in so many others ways, this really stands out in stark contrast. You can do whatever you want. Yeah, this is a heavily story focused MMO but people enjoy different aspects of this game at varying degrees. If you have an idea of what you want out of the end game and it looks appealing to you then get that bread. A lot of people play this game mostly just to raid.
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Nov 15, 2021 22:43
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The Gunslinger posted:I'm getting burned out on this. There is just too much damned story content. It doesn't matter whether I like it or not, there's just so much and it's a ridiculous time commitment even when you try to break it up into smaller chunks. Like seriously this is absurd. A lot of it seems to be pointless nonsense like zoning out to speak to someone and then running back across the zone to speak to someone else. Go to this building in Ishgard...now go back to where the original character was...then back again. I already endured ARR for fucks sake, enough already. For an MMO that respects the time of its player in so many others ways, this really stands out in stark contrast. People have said a bunch, but there is something worth noting: if you're only just starting the 3.1+ content, you might be expecting a similar pace to ARR post-2.0. It's not: the quests are fewer, denser, and have narrative purpose. All that said: Yes, there's going to be a lot of talking. That's a consequence of the game's story doing its part to justify the gameplay that arises. Yes, there's going to be a lot of your character going places to talk to people and do things. That's a consequence of the game making the player character a legitimate impactful character in their own right. And yes, there's a lot of stuff. That's what happens when you're a late comer to content that was dripfed over literal years but also is narratively required for later content to have meaning, both in terms of story and gameplay. If you're trying to rush to get to "the good stuff" then don't. If you're thinking "well, people praise Shadowbringers a bunch so I'll like that better" except that's not how it works: a lot of the plot points in Shadowbringers are built upon stuff established earlier, and the same goes for characterization, and the same goes for gameplay. Later content does tend to be better designed as a consequence of iteration, but the difference between Dusk Vigil and Holminster Switch or Alexander and Eden's Promise is not so sharp as to suddenly change your mind on everything. Go do other stuff. Maybe other stuff in FF14, maybe other stuff in a different game. The game isn't some training routine where if you continuously push your limits and suffer that tiny bit more you'll see incremental improvements. If you're not having fun, go do what seems fun. Sometimes that's getting some popcorn and watching Catholic Elves deal with dragons, and sometimes that's going and firing up Mario 64 or something.
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Nov 15, 2021 23:05
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The only MSQ stuff I have skipped was in Stormblood, especially the nomads that were a massive snoozefest(not helped by Stormblood having the weakest post 3.0 story). That is why I like FF14, the story is great and everything is more relaxed.
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Nov 16, 2021 01:46
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Ok so I'm trying to glamor the terrible looking samurai Shire piece into something less terrible looking, and apparently you can't glamor higher level base items with the looks from items with a lower item level? Is this a thing? Because it is absolute bullshit
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McCloud posted:Ok so I'm trying to glamor the terrible looking samurai Shire piece into something less terrible looking, and apparently you can't glamor higher level base items with the looks from items with a lower item level? Correct. The appearance has to be the same level or lower.
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