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Spice coffee is actual coffee with spice added. There's a bit in Messiah where Paul comes home after one of his disguised walkabouts and Chani roasts the beans and grinds them with a pestle. Arrakis sucks to live on, but the idea that they can't get simple goddamn coffee imported when it's got trade ships coming and going constantly is p thickheaded.
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No Mods No Masters posted:I think part of the problem is we're told the fremen have agriculture, industry, high degree of societal complexity and specialization, etc. but not really shown it well enough to any extent. So people end up basically just not believing the exposition and ignoring it Herbert does a bad job of this. He makes it a point to show that Fremen manufacture all their own gear, and its the bestest, but completely and utterly handwaves any of the mechanisms which would show from an industrialized society. IIRC one or two lines in the book when Paul 'the Nose' Atredies walks into Sietch Tabr and figures out that they cook crack there. Herbert should've said that the worms molt stilsuits. Re: hard times - hard men thing, I felt that understanding was one of the core tenants of the Fremen. I.e. all the Fremen believed that the suffering they were doing on Arrakis was righteous, as an internal explanation on why Fremen didn't grab a handful of spice and hop ship to to the hand-spider planet. sean10mm posted:What's actually interesting about the Fremen is that they're the only faction with a noble motive, to literally make a better world for future generations to live on. Maybe i just got this wrong from Lynch-Dune, but it was my understanding that Paul purposefully left Dune the way it was so that Arrakis would always make more Fremen. ("I leave Arrakis to the fighters!") In the same coin thats why he promised to terraform Salunda Secundus - not to make it a nicer prison for the Empreror, but so they couldn't make Sardaurkar there. It was also my understanding that this is what the Fremen wanted - they needed Arrakis as a place to test them... although reading itt about the KH being the one who shortens the way, and reading what happens in later books... I guess I got that wrong? Of course, the entire idea of Nietzesian "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" has been proven wrong at every level. Even Herbert isn't consistent with it - Atredies legions were feared because they were trained by effective & compassionate leaders. Not because they turned part of Caladan into a hellpit. Vampire Panties fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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it sounds like Herbert was intentionally vague on the moral endpoints of his work so as to deflect ideological cross-examination and eliminate the possibility of any absolute moral high ground. but I haven't read the books so what do I know
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the moral i took away is that it would be cool to be a giant worm
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It's really really really really really really really really fun. To think about taking a big worm ride
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Nov 15, 2021 23:47
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Hard times create strong men Strong men create peepee poopoo Peepee poopoo is processed in the thighpads
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Hard times create worm men Worm men create d-wolves D-wolves die of poison Woman genetically designed to be the most uncooperative jerk rear end imaginable inherits the galaxy
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Mister Speaker posted:Hard times create strong men
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kiimo posted:The galaxy runs on duncan I just had to make a (terrible) poster with mr Dunc himself  (I am so, so sorry)
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Nov 16, 2021 00:38
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that's so D U N C A N
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What's my name? Duncan Idaho! It's a whole new game Duncan Idaho!
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I'm not surprised arrakis is a fertile desert planet, worms gently caress in it
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The Fremen aren’t “hard” because of desert life. Even pre Paul they have an easy time of it and just live “below the radar”. They are strong Because they have good ideas The sardaurkar and other “Noble” houses are just incredibly soft and not even really part of the real game of the universe . That is my take of it anyway
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I'm not sure I'm going to be on board with calling honor killing death duels and poo poo "good ideas" rather than just good ideas for producing hard fighters
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Liberal feudalism is really a bad idea and inhumane. It dies quickly in this story
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euphronius posted:Liberal feudalism is really a bad idea and inhumane. It dies quickly in this story As opposed to:...?
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Collectivism of the one worm
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Def not arguing in favor of feudalism Hardly the only alternative to violent warlordism There's some cool poo poo about Fremen society but yikes it's nothing to pine for overall
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In the context of the movie , Fremen society is working and almost utopian In comparison!: The Biden-esque fore-story of “liberal mandates” is incredibly depressing and Leto rightfully dies quickly. (Talking movie only here )
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I serve one master, and its Pee-Halud! ~* bangs thighpad rhythmically *~
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euphronius posted:In the context of the movie , Fremen society is working and almost utopian Aye you high right now Please describe the Bidenesque character in Dunc Also there is nothing utopian about the possibility of being legally challenged to a duel to the death at any time or murdering strangers to steal their resources
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I'm the reactionary Fremen bitching about how Kynes made us stop sacrificing virgins to Shai Hulud.
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In the movie the fremen are living a wonderful life outside the scope of liberal history . The liberal appropriation golem can’t even see their green fields. They are way beyond the sterile world of harkonesn and atriedies I’m Just talking movie here . Books are different
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mossyfisk posted:I'm the reactionary Fremen bitching about how Kynes made us stop sacrificing virgins to Shai Hulud. Waste of good virgins if you ask me
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euphronius posted:In the movie the fremen are living a wonderful life outside the scope of liberal history . The liberal appropriation golem can’t even see their green fields. They are way beyond the sterile world of harkonesn and atriedies The simple wonderful life of stabbing your boss with a knife until he dies and taking his wife, kids and all his stuff
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Pre lapsarian eden really
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Dude the isn't even a sietch in the first part. Just post "lets go brandon" or some other screed and gently caress off. 2/10 if trolling.
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euphronius posted:In the context of the movie , Fremen society is working and almost utopian euphronius posted:In the movie the fremen are living a wonderful life outside the scope of liberal history . The liberal appropriation golem can’t even see their green fields. They are way beyond the sterile world of harkonesn and atriedies haha oh yeah for sure *backs out of the thread slowly while nodding and smiling*
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Stingar exists opposite the conservative lineal “”””bipolar””” world . The baron is trump and Leto is what liberals imagine a president should be
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Proud to be an Amarrakeen
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The ornithopter represents the penis, and the sandstorm the vagina In this way the film offers commentary on the relationship between sex and gender in the modern world In my next essay I shall explain why I want to gently caress the sand compactor
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euphronius posted:Stingar exists opposite the conservative lineal “”””bipolar””” world . *sets thumper at your feet* Ok yup hey just hang out right here for a second. Yeah, on the sand.
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The Bloop posted:The ornithopter represents the penis, and the sandstorm the vagina so... when is it due?
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Nine months
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Sand? I never touch the stuff;Tiberius Christ posted:worms gently caress in it
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Still wanna know the Sand to Spice and Spice to Cheeto Dust ratios. Like for how rare and expensive Spice is supposed to be compared to how casually and wastefully everyone uses it, it just doesn't add up.
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Who uses is casually and wastefully Other than the fremen that is
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Thufir Hawat says it costs 1.4m solarii to drag 3 guild navigators and retinue out to Caladan. I dont have the book in front of me, but google says 10g of primo spice could go for up to 620k solarii. So the big expensive trip could be paid for with an 8 ball. Losing picograms would be considered a setback with that kind of value. OTOH, humanity is supposed to rule the universe at that point. thousands and thousands and thousands of worlds and all of them need spice to make their trade networks function. Spice comes from exactly one place, and exactly one way - flying dudes in and having them grab as much as possible before the worms get them. Honestly the only unrealistic part is they don't show wildcat miners or smugglers, because with that kind of value somebody would figure out a way to grift. EDIT -  the Fremen are the wildcat miners. They smuggle that poo poo off world to the Spacing Guild. I wonder how much spice the Guild actually hauls out of there, because those dudes walking around in their freebase helmets have a street value in the billions.
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Vampire Panties posted:
See Part II.
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Conservatives walk like this: *without rhythm* Liberals walk like this: *pounds drum sand, is devoured by 600m shai hulud*
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