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Just Another Lurker posted:'They are unwilling to pay a higher price for the bread rolls' would be my take on things. The butcher in the Spar in my local petrol station does better sausages than you’d ever find in England.
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smellmycheese posted:What the DUP and the UKGov don’t want to admit is that things are actually working well here. I was under the impression that the protocol working well is the problem for them. The better NI looks with its access to the EU's market, the worse it looks for Brexiteers. Which is hosed if you think about it for a few seconds, but also extremely funny.
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Nov 16, 2021 10:43
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Just Another Lurker posted:'They are unwilling to pay a higher price for the bread rolls' would be my take on things. No one's going to starve in the rUK, we're just going to be driven insane through misery
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Nov 16, 2021 10:44
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Antigravitas posted:I was under the impression that the protocol working well is the problem for them. The better NI looks with its access to the EU's market, the worse it looks for Brexiteers. Yes absolutely. They both have to pretend the protocol is bad for NI when in fact the opposite is becoming clear for all to see
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Regarde Aduck posted:No one's going to starve in the rUK No one *with money* is going to starve.
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Nov 16, 2021 10:47
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There is very little slander of England I will not accept as accurate but the idea that we have bad sausages cannot stand unchallenged.
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Nov 16, 2021 10:50
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Yeah Brexit is doing wonders for relations between Ireland and NIquote:Brexit minister David Frost has admitted trade between Northern Ireland and Ireland has gone up since Brexit – but suggested it cannot keep benefitting from the EU’s single market, as this would hurt the UK. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/northern-ireland-protocol-brexit-eu-frost-david-293967/amp/
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Nov 16, 2021 10:51
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a pipe smoking dog posted:I mean the manchester arena bombings were only a few years ago. Sure, and I don't have a problem with them saying this individual was a terrorist because using a bomb is inherently an act of terror. What I have a problem with is them not saying so from the off because nobody who uses a bomb is anything other than a terrorist. But they didn't, and by saying they had to wait to "examine his methodology" when his methodology was literally the first and only thing we knew it's transparently obvious that it was because they didn't want to say it until they were sure that the bomber either failed the paper bag test or was Irish. It just happens to be exceptionally bad here because when they know up front that the guy with a knife had brown skin they have no problem in dubbing him "terrorist" on the instant even though knives are far from exclusive to terrorists.
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Funny how that works in the UK given that the vast majority of adults should have living memory of a campaign of terrorist bombing conducted by the whitest motherfuckers on the planet
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Nov 16, 2021 11:19
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Thank you for the additional Article 16 explanations! So it sounds like the status quo (in this limited aspect) is basically fine for people in NI in practical terms, but ideologically unacceptable to the Conservative and Unionist Party and their political allies?
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Lungboy posted:Frost openly admitted this in a panel recently, weirdly not widely covered. I downloaded and saved that whole meeting.  You're damned right it wasn't covered, they were discussing things without any 'spin' and you don't want the general public to see that if it can be avoided. edit: big scary monsters posted:Thank you for the additional Article 16 explanations! So it sounds like the status quo (in this limited aspect) is basically fine for people in NI in practical terms, but ideologically unacceptable to the Conservative and Unionist Party and their political allies? That's a valid assessment. Things were good without the border.... nobody cared too much and we just lived our lives. Just Another Lurker fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Nov 16, 2021 |
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Nov 16, 2021 11:36
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Failed Imagineer posted:Funny how that works in the UK given that the vast majority of adults should have living memory of a campaign of terrorist bombing conducted by the whitest motherfuckers on the planet Tony Blair & GW Bush?
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Nov 16, 2021 12:02
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Mix in some wealth generation disruption due to the impact on trade from NI <> rUK and you get to where we are now. And that's pretty much having to threaten to blow our own balls off if the EU does not give us some more concessions.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:items unavailable: If you can get 'no cheesy chips' and 'cheesy chips' in your inventory at the same time you win the game.
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Nov 16, 2021 12:07
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Oooh https://twitter.com/PronouncedAlva/status/1460389646400163849 https://twitter.com/killingbritain/status/1460571223180693504
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big scary monsters posted:Thank you for the additional Article 16 explanations! So it sounds like the status quo (in this limited aspect) is basically fine for people in NI in practical terms, but ideologically unacceptable to the Conservative and Unionist Party and their political allies? The status quo is somewhat illusory - NI is currently thriving in the absence of any real imposition of customs tariffs, and though the EU is just extending the grace period for the UK to sort their poo poo out it's not looking like that homework is ever getting done in Westminster. How long can that circle remain unsquared is an open question
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Nov 16, 2021 12:39
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fuctifino posted:Oooh Stanley Johnson who used the drought in the 70s to force au pairs to work naked? Surely not!
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Nov 16, 2021 12:42
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The UK gov is putting a lot of faith in plans that end with "and then they'll look bad!"
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Lungboy posted:Stanley Johnson who used the drought in the 70s to force au pairs to work naked? Surely not! 
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Jedit posted:using a bomb is inherently an act of terror. Terrorism is actually extremely difficult to define, & international discourse on the subject is kinda toxic due to countries like the US refusing to accept any definition that could conceivably apply to state terrorism. Imo it's actually a fairly pointless label, applied selectively to stigmatise certain groups. There are valid reasons to treat indiscriminate violence perpetrated against the general population for political reasons differently to "ordinary" violence, just the same as we treat hate crime differently to regular crime, but nobody can come up with a sensible definition that catches that without also catching state violence, our own security services & whatever overseas freedom fighters support the state's interests this week. So instead we have terrorism = the violence done by the bad people, who we know are bad because they're terrorists.
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peanut- posted:There is very little slander of England I will not accept as accurate but the idea that we have bad sausages cannot stand unchallenged. England doesn't do bad sausages per se, but the sheer amount of producers means you'll find a greater number of poor quality ones compared to Ireland. Tho personally my meat tier is Ireland > UK > 150 other countries > US > countries without meat
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Is that Stanley Johnson the loveable eccentric grandad, daytime TV pundit, and 'environmental campaigner'
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He also had an "affair" with one of the au pairs.
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Nov 16, 2021 13:01
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We regret to inform you that milkshake dad is a nonce.
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Can we smuggle some white pudding back to the UK via Norn Irn? As long as that's not affected I'm happy.
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"The villain of the piece is Stanley Johnson. Bower portrays him as an absent father and violent husband, who punched his wife so hard he broke her nose. Johnson Snr is faithless and a creep: in the parched summer of 1976, he told the family’s two au pairs that the water shortage made washing clothes impossible and therefore they would have to follow the lead set by him and his wife and walk around naked, which they duly did. Naturally, Stanley began sleeping with one of the two young women, in full knowledge of his children."
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Nov 16, 2021 13:13
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also church militancy isn't good, the crusades were very needlessly bloody cruises
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thankfully the gift shop was invented to put an end to all that
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Borrovan posted:I was arguing about this with someone a while ago - is it? If I murder someone with a knife because I think they're a dick, that's just murder, but if I blow them up it's terrorism? When was the last time you read about someone using a bomb to murder one person they don't like? I'm not scared of the thought of someone coming at me with a knife or a gun because I haven't done anything to warrant being killed. But bombs are indiscriminate. I can be killed by a bomb simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, with no personal animus against me or even a knowledge of my existence. And unless it's some frothing nut who just wants to kill random people, then the intent is not to kill me but to make me fearful at all times that I might be killed. That's the literal definition of terrorism.
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Borrovan posted:I was arguing about this with someone a while ago - is it? If I murder someone with a knife because I think they're a dick, that's just murder, but if I blow them up it's terrorism? With bombs I think there's a group effect inherent within them. Like if you mantrap the door of a, idk, women's clinic, LGBT centre, Saree business, or so on, whether you intended it as a personal vendetta against the owner or a violent attack on the community who tends to use them, it's going to be seen in some way as the latter, because it's perceived as that it could have been anyone opening up. Same goes for the Brixton/Brick Lane/Admiral Duncan bomber, it was speculated at first that they were just some kind of extortionist or general misanthrope, but it quickly became clear that there was an intended effect, and the targeted communities perceived that effect long before that became clear. I guess what I'm going for is that identity based violence -> hate crime -> terrorism ought to be a continuum and something like a bomb which, by its nature of attracting a lot of attention and having a high "it could be you next" factor, regardless of the stated intent, ought to place it higher. Unless you're so bad at bomb that you just kill yourself and arson a taxi I guess, but that still attracts more attention than being so bad at knife that you stab yourself to death. josh04 posted:The UK gov is putting a lot of faith in plans that end with "and then they'll look bad!"
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smellmycheese posted:What the DUP and the UKGov don’t want to admit is that things are actually working well here. Businesses are adapting and shifting their supply chains to get stuff from the ROI and EU rather than the UK and we are not seeing empty shelves or petrol queues here in NI. The way the story was tried to be spun to be about “sausages” was particularly funny as if there’s one thing Ireland isn’t short of it is excellent sausages. There are however some bizarre exceptions like this Premier Inn I stayed at in Derry last week. They’ve clearly refused to adapt their England based supply chain for their crappy microwave meal menu and so 3/4 of their menu is currently unavailable. and the timing of this posturing really couldn't be more daft because the census results next year are almost certain to show catholics outnumbering protestants in NI for the first time and we're also likely to see a sinn fein first minister after next may's assembly elections
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the tide has a'turned and they are pretending it is the 1970s why do people keep pretending it's the 1970s, the loving bins are okay and they have been for 50 years
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crispix posted:the tide has a'turned and they are pretending it is the 1970s Because the Tories are about to start checking their car ignition for the additional wires that their Irish mechanic gave them as a free gift? Nah, it's as simple as the thing about how the best music is the music from when you were 15. In the 70s they were young and could look forward to the future; why don't the ungrateful youth realise that if things were like the 70s again, they could look forward too?
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I'm hesitant to judge a man based on his father's actions, but hearing this stuff about the elder Johnson does rather shed light on some aspects of the PM's attitude to relationships for me.
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